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Message no. 1
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:18:02 +0200
According to Jkmiland@***.com, at 2:02 on 22 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> I'm not a big Star Wars fan--other than Episode 1, I haven't watched any of
> these movies--

Are you sure your education is complete? :)

If you've only seen Episode 1, I would suggest you go to a video store and
rent the originals as well, even if you didn't really like Episode 1.
(Note I said the originals, not the Special Editions from 1997 :)

> but didn't Star Wars start as a film before turning into a huge line of
> books?

Most certainly. First there were the three "middle" movies (or the final
ones, depending on which comments from George Lucas you choose to
believe), about ten years later they decided to do a trilogy of novels,
and after that it spiraled out of control...

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Message no. 2
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:41:45 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:15 PM
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)


According to Jkmiland@***.com, at 2:02 on 22 May 00, the word on the
street was...

>> I'm not a big Star Wars fan--other than Episode 1, I haven't watched any
of
>> these movies--

>Are you sure your education is complete? :)

>If you've only seen Episode 1, I would suggest you go to a video store and
>rent the originals as well, even if you didn't really like Episode 1.
>(Note I said the originals, not the Special Editions from 1997 :)


No no! If you have only seen the first one, wait and see the second and
third ones before you see the second (original) trilogy, You wil be one of
about ten people worldwide who sees them in chronological order.
Message no. 3
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:53:03 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)


> > but didn't Star Wars start as a film before turning into a huge line of
> > books?
>
> Most certainly. First there were the three "middle" movies (or the final
> ones, depending on which comments from George Lucas you choose to
> believe), about ten years later they decided to do a trilogy of novels,
> and after that it spiraled out of control...

Actually, the book come first. George wrote it in '76 and Star Wars come
out in '77. But that is from someone who is not addicted to Star Wars...of
course I'm not addicted....do you see an addict?....I don't see an
addict....

"I have a bad feeling about this...."
The one quote from ALL 3 original movies.

Ahrain, the non-addict :P
Message no. 4
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:53:06 EDT
In a message dated 5/22/00 3:16:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gurth@******.nl
writes:

> > I'm not a big Star Wars fan--other than Episode 1, I haven't watched any
of
>
> > these movies--
>
> Are you sure your education is complete? :)
>
> If you've only seen Episode 1, I would suggest you go to a video store and
> rent the originals as well, even if you didn't really like Episode 1.
> (Note I said the originals, not the Special Editions from 1997 :)

No, my education isn't complete. That's why I go to college. My family owns
the originals; I've had plenty of offers over to years to watch the movies.
I haven't, because I don't care to see them. It's not important to me.
Message no. 5
From: Dan Grabon djmoose@******.kornet.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:12:01 +0900
On 5/23/00 1:53 AM, Ahrain at Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com wrote:

> "I have a bad feeling about this...."
> The one quote from ALL 3 original movies.

Didn't it show up in Episode 1 as well? I seem to remember laughing about
it.

-moose

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Message no. 6
From: Cybertroll cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 03:19:23 +0300
Dan Grabon wrote:
>
> On 5/23/00 1:53 AM, Ahrain at Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com wrote:
>
> > "I have a bad feeling about this...."
> > The one quote from ALL 3 original movies.
>
> Didn't it show up in Episode 1 as well? I seem to remember laughing about
> it.
>
> -moose
>

It actually appears in every George Lookas film. Just review your
Indiana Jones films :-)

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Message no. 7
From: Dan Grabon djmoose@******.kornet.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:48:03 +0900
On 5/23/00 9:19 AM, Cybertroll at cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net wrote:

>>> "I have a bad feeling about this...."
>>> The one quote from ALL 3 original movies.
>> Didn't it show up in Episode 1 as well? I seem to remember laughing about
>> it.
> It actually appears in every George Lookas film. Just review your
> Indiana Jones films :-)
Really? What about Howard the Duck? :)

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Message no. 8
From: joseph shannon joeandjeanie@*********.ca
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:13:56 -0700
>
>
> > > but didn't Star Wars start as a film before turning into a huge line of
> > > books?
> >
> > Most certainly. First there were the three "middle" movies (or the
final
> > ones, depending on which comments from George Lucas you choose to
> > believe), about ten years later they decided to do a trilogy of novels,
> > and after that it spiraled out of control...
>
> Actually, the book come first. George wrote it in '76 and Star Wars come
> out in '77. But that is from someone who is not addicted to Star Wars...of
> course I'm not addicted....do you see an addict?....I don't see an
> addict....
>
> "

Lurking mode off.

Greetings
When quizzed, Lucas admitted that....
The Star Wars movie/script was an updated version of a Japanese
movie called
"The Hidden Fortress."
In a somewhat related vein. "The Magnificent Seven" was a copy of
the Japanese
movie "Seven Samurai"
And to stretch the Japanese theme a bit more. My personal opinion
(not that it's worth much)
is that a Shadowrun movie would be best animated.

Joe.
Message no. 9
From: Josh Harrison mataxes@****.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:27:52 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Grabon <djmoose@******.kornet.net>
> >>> "I have a bad feeling about this...."
> >>> The one quote from ALL 3 original movies.
> >> Didn't it show up in Episode 1 as well? I seem to remember laughing
about
> >> it.
> > It actually appears in every George Lookas film. Just review your
> > Indiana Jones films :-)
> Really? What about Howard the Duck? :)

That's the reaction of most audience members after they started watching it.
*grin*

-- Josh
Message no. 10
From: Ahrain Drigar ahrain_drigar@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:20:08 EDT
>From: joseph shannon <joeandjeanie@*********.ca>
>Subject: Re: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:13:56 -0700
>
>Lurking mode off.
>
>Greetings
> When quizzed, Lucas admitted that....
> The Star Wars movie/script was an updated version of a
>Japanese
>movie called
>"The Hidden Fortress."

This also comming from the man who said he actually took about 75% of the
comedic tones and situations OUT of Episode 1. I would have hated to see it
then. MOE-gon Jin, Obi-wan LARRY, and little CURLY Skywalker. Sheesh.

>And to stretch the Japanese theme a bit more. My personal opinion
>(not that it's worth much)
>is that a Shadowrun movie would be best animated.
>
>Joe.

Actually not much of a stretch, look ad Darkside Blues, Vampire Hunter D,
and Wicked City all the talents Hideyuki Kikuchi.

Wicked City especially. It was a dark futuristic magic/tech world of the
supernatural. It was also narrated like Bladerunner and explained
everything as the story went the same way Decker did.

All around the best way to tell how the Awakening happened. IMHO.

Odd thought, start the movie ala 2001. Back in an ancient Mayan temple
telling the tale about the cycles of life, then fading to the "present"
axplaining that the Mayans were right and what happened. *Shrug* a little
weird, but then again I actually liked 2001 and 2010.

Ahrain, anime junkie. (BTW, Star Wars looks pretty cool as a manga :P)
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Message no. 11
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:41:51 +0200
According to Jkmiland@***.com, at 17:53 on 22 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> No, my education isn't complete. That's why I go to college. My family
> owns the originals; I've had plenty of offers over to years to watch the
> movies. I haven't, because I don't care to see them. It's not
> important to me.

Lighten up, will you? :)

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Message no. 12
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
> And to stretch the Japanese theme a bit
> more. My personal opinion
> (not that it's worth much)
> is that a Shadowrun movie would be best animated.
>
> Joe.

No way man! The image of a well done cgi Dragon
landing on a real bustling street would make so much
more of an impact than a cartoon of one. Think of the
awe it would inspire. I know of people who are just
going to see that disney dinosaur movie just to see
the graphics.

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Message no. 13
From: ULTRA ultra@*******.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:42:18 -0700
> I know of people who are just
> going to see that disney dinosaur movie just to see
> the graphics.

I know of a lot of people that aren't going to watch that movie because the
dinosaurs TALK.
Message no. 14
From: Spike spike1@*******.co.uk
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:42:19 +0100 (BST)
> > I know of people who are just
> > going to see that disney dinosaur movie just to see
> > the graphics.
>
> I know of a lot of people that aren't going to watch that movie because the
> dinosaurs TALK.
>

Besides. From what I'm seen, there're no real improvements in the animation
over the ones in "Walking with dinosaurs", the BBC "documentary".


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Message no. 15
From: Ahrain Drigar ahrain_drigar@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:32 EDT
>From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
>Subject: Re: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
>Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > And to stretch the Japanese theme a bit
> > more. My personal opinion
> > (not that it's worth much)
> > is that a Shadowrun movie would be best animated.
> >
> > Joe.
>
>No way man! The image of a well done cgi Dragon
>landing on a real bustling street would make so much
>more of an impact than a cartoon of one. Think of the
>awe it would inspire. I know of people who are just
>going to see that disney dinosaur movie just to see
>the graphics.
>
>====>~Raveness

I agree with both sides of the coin. A well done CGI would be totally rad,
but there is something about Anime that really works with the genre. I mean
Wicked City was awesome (if a bit much with the tentacle stuff though. I was
not all that impressed with Hirotsukidoji <sp?> either, cool but too much
tentacle)

BTW, I have seen an article in a Japanese Anime mag (in Japanese) where they
have pictures of SR style characters and was advertised as SR.
Any ideas? Was it an OVA in Japan? or completely mis-advertised?

Ahrain
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Message no. 16
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:17:49 EDT
In a message dated 5/23/00 3:38:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gurth@******.nl
writes:

> > No, my education isn't complete. That's why I go to college. My family
> > owns the originals; I've had plenty of offers over to years to watch the
> > movies. I haven't, because I don't care to see them. It's not
> > important to me.
>
> Lighten up, will you? :)

I'm sorry, but I tend to get defensive when people tell me "my education
isn't complete" or call me a heretic (not on this list, but it's happened
several times) just because I haven't wasted my time watching a movie
franchise.
Message no. 17
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:39:18 -0500
From: ULTRA
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 3:42 PM

> > I know of people who are just going to
> > see that disney dinosaur movie just to see the graphics.
>
> I know of a lot of people that aren't going to watch that movie
> because the dinosaurs TALK.

And this is a problem...why, exactly? It's a friggin' *DISNEY* cartoon, for
crying out loud. Of course the dinosaurs talk.

I fail to see a problem here.

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Message no. 18
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:47:04 +0200
According to Jkmiland@***.com, at 21:17 on 23 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> > Lighten up, will you? :)
>
> I'm sorry, but I tend to get defensive when people tell me "my education
> isn't complete" or call me a heretic (not on this list, but it's happened
> several times) just because I haven't wasted my time watching a movie
> franchise.

That's why I put a smiley (AKA emoticon) behind it, like I also did after
the line you quoted above. In case you haven't heard of emoticons, they
are used as a substitute for body language, so you can indicate that
you're making a joke, feel sorry about something, or whatever. I would
suggest you learn the common ones [ :-) and :-( and their variations] and
use them, else you're going to have of misunderstandings... :)

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Message no. 19
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 04:28:05 -0700 (PDT)
> > I know of people who are just
> > going to see that disney dinosaur movie just to
> see
> > the graphics.
>
> I know of a lot of people that aren't going to watch
> that movie because the
> dinosaurs TALK.

The phrase is "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" my
drama/speach/english teacher drilled it into us. The
reason why we can sit back watch the Matrix and let
ourselves believe for a little bit that Keanu Reeves
is really kicking the crap out of a evil program guy,
or that dinosaurs talk. Come on what on earth are
these people expecting from Disney?! It's Disney! The
mice in Cinderella didn't just talk they sang too!
It's a family film, not a documentary!

====~Raveness

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Message no. 20
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:37:05 -0400
On Wed, 24 May 2000 04:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Raveness Ravensbane
<ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> The phrase is "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" my
> drama/speach/english teacher drilled it into us. The
> reason why we can sit back watch the Matrix and let
> ourselves believe for a little bit that Keanu Reeves
> is really kicking the crap out of a evil program guy,
> or that dinosaurs talk. Come on what on earth are
> these people expecting from Disney?! It's Disney! The
> mice in Cinderella didn't just talk they sang too!
> It's a family film, not a documentary!

Yes, but all the dinosaurs speak the same language? Thats just silly :-)

Kinda like in SW-Ep-1, they built races around an accent, which is..BLAH!
:-)

I would go see the Disney Dino movie, but, eh, it'll be on cable some
day...

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Message no. 21
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT)
<SNIP>
> Yes, but all the dinosaurs speak the same language?
> Thats just silly :-)
<SNIP>
> Vocenoctum

If the dinosaurs each spoke a different language, how
would you understand them when you went to see the
movie? I don't speak anything but english and very
very very little spanish. If one of the dinosaurs were
to start speaking latin or german or french or italian
or greek or russian, I'm sure they'd loose most of the
audience right there. Unles you are in possession of
one of those star trek universal translators that I'm
unaware of.


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Message no. 22
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:47:43 -0500
On Wed, 24 May 2000 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Raveness Ravensbane
<ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> If the dinosaurs each spoke a different language, how
> would you understand them when you went to see the
> movie? I don't speak anything but english and very
> very very little spanish. If one of the dinosaurs were
> to start speaking latin or german or french or italian
> or greek or russian, I'm sure they'd loose most of the
> audience right there. Unles you are in possession of
> one of those star trek universal translators that I'm
> unaware of.

Subtitles can work wonders. ;)

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Message no. 23
From: Bai Shen baishen@**********.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:53:26 -0400
> > If the dinosaurs each spoke a different language, how
> > would you understand them when you went to see the
> > movie? I don't speak anything but english and very
> > very very little spanish. If one of the dinosaurs were
> > to start speaking latin or german or french or italian
> > or greek or russian, I'm sure they'd loose most of the
> > audience right there. Unles you are in possession of
> > one of those star trek universal translators that I'm
> > unaware of.
> Subtitles can work wonders. ;)

Yes, but Americans are fundamentally lazy and hate reading subtitles.
About the only people I know who love subtitles are the hard core anime
freaks. :) Personally, I don't care either way.

Bai Shen
Message no. 24
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:53:08 -0400
On Wed, 24 May 2000 12:47:43 -0500 Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
writes:
> On Wed, 24 May 2000 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Raveness Ravensbane
> <ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> > If the dinosaurs each spoke a different language, how
> > would you understand them when you went to see the
> > movie? I don't speak anything but english and very
> > very very little spanish. If one of the dinosaurs were
> > to start speaking latin or german or french or italian
> > or greek or russian, I'm sure they'd loose most of the
> > audience right there. Unles you are in possession of
> > one of those star trek universal translators that I'm
> > unaware of.
>
> Subtitles can work wonders. ;)

>From what I have seen, the "bad guys" don't speak, they're just
"animals"
that grunt and growl. If they spoke an unintelligable language, it would
be better.
I also prefered when Jabba didn't speak any english, he had a translator,
it was a good touch.

The main characters could speak clearly (obviously the orphan would speak
the language he was raised on "Lemur", but would he really speak
"Iquagadon" also?

I think we should organize a protest...well, maybe not a protest, that
sounds like work, maybe I'll just forget about it :-)

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Message no. 25
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
--- Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2000 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Raveness
> Ravensbane
> <ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> > If the dinosaurs each spoke a different language,
> how
> > would you understand them when you went to see the
> > movie? I don't speak anything but english and very
> > very very little spanish. If one of the dinosaurs
> were
> > to start speaking latin or german or french or
> italian
> > or greek or russian, I'm sure they'd loose most of
> the
> > audience right there. Unles you are in possession
> of
> > one of those star trek universal translators that
> I'm
> > unaware of.
>
> Subtitles can work wonders. ;)
>
In a movie that's aimed at 6 year olds who are all
going to beg their parents for hooked on phonix so
they can understand the movie?

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Message no. 26
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
<snip>
> > Subtitles can work wonders. ;)
> >
> In a movie that's aimed at 6 year olds who are all
> going to beg their parents for hooked on phonix so
> they can understand the movie?
>
> ====> ~Raveness

Man that would be a great ad campaign for Hooked on
Phonix wouldn't it? *thinking about it*

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Message no. 27
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:24:27 -0400
Raveness Ravensbane wrote:

> <snip>
> > > Subtitles can work wonders. ;)
> > >
> > In a movie that's aimed at 6 year olds who are all
> > going to beg their parents for hooked on phonix so
> > they can understand the movie?
> >
> > ====> > ~Raveness
>
> Man that would be a great ad campaign for Hooked on
> Phonix wouldn't it? *thinking about it*
>

Better than the "Huct on Foniks Wurkd Fur Me" T-shirts, anyway. :^)

>
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Message no. 28
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:06:56 +0300
Bai Shen wrote:
>
> > > If the dinosaurs each spoke a different language, how
> > > would you understand them when you went to see the
> > > movie? I don't speak anything but english and very
> > > very very little spanish. If one of the dinosaurs were
> > > to start speaking latin or german or french or italian
> > > or greek or russian, I'm sure they'd loose most of the
> > > audience right there. Unles you are in possession of
> > > one of those star trek universal translators that I'm
> > > unaware of.
> > Subtitles can work wonders. ;)
>
> Yes, but Americans are fundamentally lazy and hate reading subtitles.
> About the only people I know who love subtitles are the hard core anime
> freaks. :) Personally, I don't care either way.
>
> Bai Shen
Tell me about foreign languages and subtitles!
I recently watced the first 12 episodes of "record of Lodoss War"
in Japanese language and German subtitles!
That was an exercise in endurance for my nerves! >:-(

Uniformity of language and other lame things that make our life easier
are very much appreciated by the 99% of us who are not perfectinists! :)

And as Raveness said:
"Never underestimate the power of denial!"
or something like that...

the wiz
Message no. 29
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:30:19 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)


>> > I know of people who are just
>> > going to see that disney dinosaur movie just to
>> see
>> > the graphics.
>>
>> I know of a lot of people that aren't going to watch
>> that movie because the
>> dinosaurs TALK.
>
>The phrase is "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" my
>drama/speach/english teacher drilled it into us. The
>reason why we can sit back watch the Matrix and let
>ourselves believe for a little bit that Keanu Reeves
>is really kicking the crap out of a evil program guy,
>or that dinosaurs talk. Come on what on earth are
>these people expecting from Disney?! It's Disney! The
>mice in Cinderella didn't just talk they sang too!
>It's a family film, not a documentary!
>

I'd just like to point out here for Trivia's sake that Reservoir Dogs was
also a Disney movie :?)
Message no. 30
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:01:41 EDT
In a message dated 5/24/00 3:43:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gurth@******.nl
writes:

> That's why I put a smiley (AKA emoticon) behind it, like I also did after
> the line you quoted above. In case you haven't heard of emoticons, they
> are used as a substitute for body language, so you can indicate that
> you're making a joke, feel sorry about something, or whatever. I would
> suggest you learn the common ones [ :-) and :-( and their variations] and
> use them, else you're going to have of misunderstandings... :)

I know what an emoticon is... Everyone uses them so much that they've become
near worthless IMHO; they're the typed equivalent of "um," "uh," and
"like."
I usually ignore them, especially in the case of your message because despite
the presence of a "smiley" it was still a bit upsetting to see. People put
too much stock into those movies.
Message no. 31
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:57:52 +0200
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
>
> Subtitles can work wonders. ;)

LOL! An entire movie of dinosaurs grunting and roaring at each other,
with subtitles *grin*

Still, nobody complained when the animals spoke in The Lion King, even
though they all spoke the same language (dig, dig), so I don't see what
the problem is...
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Message no. 32
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:12:50 +0200
According to Jkmiland@***.com, at 23:01 on 24 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> I know what an emoticon is... Everyone uses them so much that they've
> become near worthless IMHO; they're the typed equivalent of "um,"
"uh,"
> and "like." I usually ignore them

In that case, all I can say is that it's your own fault...

> especially in the case of your message because despite the presence of a
> "smiley" it was still a bit upsetting to see. People put too much stock
> into those movies.

Which is *&%#ing WHY smileys are there in the first place...! [note the
lack of one here] Had you not ignored the smiley, even though you feel
they are over-used, you would have picked up on the idea that I was making
a joke, and was not seriously questioning your education. However, I am
starting to question your wisdom now...

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Message no. 33
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:13:25 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Versfeld <moe@*******.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)


> Alfredo B Alves wrote:
> >
> >
> > Subtitles can work wonders. ;)
>
> LOL! An entire movie of dinosaurs grunting and roaring at each other,
> with subtitles *grin*
>

I'm just glad that they DIDN'T think about them in "Quest for Fire".
*shutter at the thought*
I bet Rea Dawn Chong, and ....... Zack Allen from B5 (can't remember his
real name right now, too early in the morning) look back on that movie and
say the same thing. :P

Ahrain
Message no. 34
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:14:33 -0500
From: Ahrain
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:13 AM

> I'm just glad that they DIDN'T think about them in "Quest for Fire".
> *shutter at the thought*
> I bet Rea Dawn Chong, and ....... Zack Allen from B5 (can't remember
> his real name right now, too early in the morning) look back on that
> movie and say the same thing. :P

Jeff Conaway doesn't appear anywhere in the credits for QUEST FOR FIRE. He
was a little busy doing TAXI and some other TV stuff in the late 70s and
early 80s, when QUEST was being made.

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Message no. 35
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:56:01 -0600
Jkmiland@***.com wrote:
>In a message dated 5/24/00 3:43:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gurth@******.nl
>writes:
>
> > That's why I put a smiley (AKA emoticon) behind it, like I also did after
> > the line you quoted above. In case you haven't heard of emoticons, they
> > are used as a substitute for body language, so you can indicate that
> > you're making a joke, feel sorry about something, or whatever. I would
> > suggest you learn the common ones [ :-) and :-( and their variations] and
> > use them, else you're going to have of misunderstandings... :)
>
>I know what an emoticon is... Everyone uses them so much that they've become
>near worthless IMHO; they're the typed equivalent of "um," "uh,"
and "like."
>I usually ignore them, especially in the case of your message because despite
>the presence of a "smiley" it was still a bit upsetting to see. People put
>too much stock into those movies.

Do you also ignore facial expressions? They've been in use for as long as
the human race has been around. Does that make them worthless?

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Message no. 36
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:37:19 -0400
On Wed, 24 May 2000 23:01:41 EDT Jkmiland@***.com writes:
> I know what an emoticon is... Everyone uses them so much that
> they've become
> near worthless IMHO; they're the typed equivalent of "um," "uh,"
and
> "like."
> I usually ignore them, especially in the case of your message
> because despite
> the presence of a "smiley" it was still a bit upsetting to see.
> People put
> too much stock into those movies.
>
>

How can you say they put too much stock in them if you haven't seen them?
Do you avoid Star Trek because there are ST fanatics out there?
You seem to have run into people that seriously picked on you about the
subject, and are taking it out on people that are just kidding.

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Message no. 37
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:39:19 -0400
On Thu, 25 May 2000 07:57:52 +0200 Allen Versfeld <moe@*******.com>
writes:
> LOL! An entire movie of dinosaurs grunting and roaring at each
> other,
> with subtitles *grin*

see, I like that idea (though, obviously its not a kids movie...)


> Still, nobody complained when the animals spoke in The Lion King,
> even
> though they all spoke the same language (dig, dig), so I don't see
> what
> the problem is...

Oh, don't think I wasn't out there with my sign. Disney has received many
flaming letters (not written mean, just set on fire, you have to bribe
the mail man, but its worth it).
Besides, if they were all gonna speak the same language, shouldn't they
all have spoken an African language? :-)

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Message no. 38
From: Phil pames@*****.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:51:21 -0500
>
>Oh, don't think I wasn't out there with my sign. Disney has received many
>flaming letters (not written mean, just set on fire, you have to bribe
>the mail man, but its worth it).
> Besides, if they were all gonna speak the same language, shouldn't they
>all have spoken an African language? :-)
>
>Vocenoctum
><http://members.xoom.com/vocenoctum>;

Yeah. That'd go over real well with an American Audience of under ten year
olds.

Phil
Message no. 39
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:11:09 -0400
vocenoctum@****.com wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2000 23:01:41 EDT Jkmiland@***.com writes:
> > I know what an emoticon is... Everyone uses them so much that
> > they've become
> > near worthless IMHO; they're the typed equivalent of "um,"
"uh," and
> > "like."
> > I usually ignore them, especially in the case of your message
> > because despite
> > the presence of a "smiley" it was still a bit upsetting to see.
> > People put
> > too much stock into those movies.
> >
> >
>
> How can you say they put too much stock in them if you haven't seen them?
> Do you avoid Star Trek because there are ST fanatics out there?
> You seem to have run into people that seriously picked on you about the
> subject, and are taking it out on people that are just kidding.
>

I just figured that Jkmiland@***.com was suffering from some sort of
undergarment malfunction and said undergarment was severely twisted in the
genital and rectal regions of the anatomy, causing major discomfort to
Jkmiland@***.com. The discomfort manifestested itself by way of ill-conceived
and ill-mannered postings responding to jocular banter by the peace-loving
residents of ShadowRN. Jkmiland@***.com might be better served by taking a
sabbatical for a few days.

In other words, take a chill pill dude.
<SNIP>

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Message no. 40
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 04:07:58 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
Subject: RE: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)


> From: Ahrain
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:13 AM
>
> > I'm just glad that they DIDN'T think about them in "Quest for Fire".
> > *shutter at the thought*
> > I bet Rea Dawn Chong, and ....... Zack Allen from B5 (can't remember
> > his real name right now, too early in the morning) look back on that
> > movie and say the same thing. :P
>
> Jeff Conaway doesn't appear anywhere in the credits for QUEST FOR FIRE.
He
> was a little busy doing TAXI and some other TV stuff in the late 70s and
> early 80s, when QUEST was being made.
>
> --
> Patrick E. Goodman
> remo@***.net
> "I'm going to tell you something cool." -- Gene Wolfe

My mistake, like I said it was "early" :)
It's been about 15 (?) years since I have seen it, and I guess in the back
of my mind the main guy kinda looked like him, but then again with all the
makeup on the brow and all, it very well could have looked like my
brother......now that I mention it....... :P

Oh well, thanks for slapping the ruler down and putting me in the right
direction. :-)

Ahrain, the NON drama critic
Message no. 41
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
<snip>
> Besides, if they were all gonna speak the same
> language, shouldn't they
> all have spoken an African language? :-)
>
> Vocenoctum
> <http://members.xoom.com/vocenoctum>;

Oh so you think everyone should speak/understand
African so they can watch the movie then?

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Message no. 42
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:29:50 -0500
From: Raveness Ravensbane
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:46 AM

> > Besides, if they were all gonna speak the same language,
> > shouldn't they all have spoken an African language? :-)
>
> Oh so you think everyone should speak/understand
> African so they can watch the movie then?

Trish, have you completely missed the humor in his messages?

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Message no. 43
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:29:53 -0500
From: Ahrain
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:08 AM

> > Jeff Conaway doesn't appear anywhere in the credits for QUEST FOR
> > FIRE. He was a little busy doing TAXI and some other TV stuff in
> > the late 70s and early 80s, when QUEST was being made.
>
> My mistake, like I said it was "early" :)

Tell me about it.

> It's been about 15 (?) years since I have seen it, and I guess in
> the back of my mind the main guy kinda looked like him, but then
> again with all the makeup on the brow and all, it very well could
> have looked like my brother......now that I mention it....... :P

The most recognizable name in the credits for me was Ron Perlman, perhaps
most famous in spec-fic fandom for playing Vincent on BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
on CBS back in the 80s. That show never got a fair shake, but that tends to
be the fate of network shows that try to be too literate.

> Oh well, thanks for slapping the ruler down and putting me in the
> right direction. :-)

It's the least I could do. <g>

> Ahrain, the NON drama critic

While I do amuse myself with the notion of being a film critic, the fact is
that, this time around, I cheated.

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0082484

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Message no. 44
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:28:03 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
Subject: RE: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)


> Tell me about it.

Well, if you insist....... ;)

> > It's been about 15 (?) years since I have seen it, and I guess in
> > the back of my mind the main guy kinda looked like him, but then
> > again with all the makeup on the brow and all, it very well could
> > have looked like my brother......now that I mention it....... :P
>
> The most recognizable name in the credits for me was Ron Perlman, perhaps
> most famous in spec-fic fandom for playing Vincent on BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
> on CBS back in the 80s. That show never got a fair shake, but that tends
to
> be the fate of network shows that try to be too literate.

THAT's who I recognized! I knew I recognized someone. And I do agree with
you on BatB, I thought it was a really good show (till near the end of the
series).

> While I do amuse myself with the notion of being a film critic, the fact
is
> that, this time around, I cheated.
>
> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0082484

Bad Patrick, bad. ;) Cool enought site though, thanks.

Ahrain, the now drama critic (with info anyway)
Message no. 45
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:23:58 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Besides, if they were all gonna speak the same
> language,
> > > shouldn't they all have spoken an African
> language? :-)
> >
> > Oh so you think everyone should speak/understand
> > African so they can watch the movie then?
>
> Trish, have you completely missed the humor in his
> messages?

Nope, don't have my humor chip installed right now...
hold on... *click* oh HA HA HA!


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Message no. 46
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Star Wars (was Re: Shadowrun movie)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
<snip>
> And as Raveness said:
> "Never underestimate the power of denial!"
> or something like that...
>
> the wiz
? huh ?

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