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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 05:40:01 2001
Take that, FBI!

;)

Okay, folks, me again. I'm hoping some of you can help
me here, or give me pointers to good places to look up
this information (I figure some of these questions are
unlikely to be answered on the White House homepage :)
).

Anyway, I'm wondering what in the way of security
would be found at the White House, the Capitol
Building and the Residence (I believe that's what it's
called - the place where the President actually lives)
at night, both today and (what you think would be
found) in Shadowrun times.

Also, at what times would the President generally be
found in each location? Again, now and in SR times.

Don't worry - I'm not a lunatic planning on blowing
the place up. ;)

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (M.S. "Herc" Bobroff)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 09:30:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com>


> Take that, FBI!
>
> Anyway, I'm wondering what in the way of security
> would be found at the White House, the Capitol
> Building and the Residence (I believe that's what it's
> called - the place where the President actually lives)
> at night, both today and (what you think would be
> found) in Shadowrun times.

What kind of security ... okay, here goes ... the best that money can
buy ...

In terms of External Magical Security ...
..... Plenty of Wards, and Wards within Wards
..... Patrolling Elementals working in teams of two
..... Patrolling Watchers working in teams of two
..... Mulitple initiated mages, several in the ICC (Intelligence,
Command & Control) that have access to fibre optic view points
throughout the inside and outside of the building.
..... FRT teams consisting of a minimum of 1 mage, 1-3 physical adepts
(initiated), multiple street sammie/merc archetypes with whizzer cyber
..... Patrolling mages in the astral accompanied by a host of Watchers
and Elementals
..... With the introduction of Shedim into the game, patrolling astral
mages are curtailled to a minimum and a counter for the Shedim
Possession power is being investigated

In terms of Matrix Security
..... The White House still has a public site
..... There is no access to the "real" White House host as it is
contained within Govnet (a variation on the Corporate Matrix) and it
is sitting behing multiple choke points and sits at around a
Hard(/Difficult/Oh My God!) Red 6 or 8
..... Secure site has multiple Exceptional deckers inside at all
times, looking for any signs of an intrusion
..... There is the possibility that Probe IC in effect at all times
(something I have done in the home games, and no one has caught on
yet)

In terms of Physical Security (the following information comes from
fictional novels and other sources ... none from a governmental
source):

Inside the White House:
..... Taser Shock System floors
..... Knock-out Gas (Tranq 6+)
..... Multiple FRT (same ones that engage to the outside)
..... Naval bulwark sliding doors that cut-off hallways
..... Sonic Walls (bring dem earplugs chummer)
..... Lots of drones

Externally at the White House:
..... Multiple FRT teams to respond with mil-spec equipment to any
action
..... Multiple pop-up micro turrets (with Redlines, or other small,
heavy damaging weapons) from the gardens themselves (you did not think
that the water sprinklers were only for watering the lawn?)
..... Lots of drones

Within 1 kilometer of the White House:
..... Many, I repeat, MANY (not yelling, just emphasis), remote and/or
manned weapon implacements, ranging from a sniper and a spotter to
turrets with missiles or turrets with anti-missile defense
capabilities (the kind ships use against incoming missile attack)
..... A note, the White House itself does not have any EM emitting
(Sensors, ECM, ECCM) of it's own as it is using everyone else that is
around them to provide them with Sensory information ... what you
would be looking at is something called Passive Sensors, wherein the
White House does not broadcast information instead it processes
information based on the information it receives from the broadcast of
energies from other locations.
..... Multiple governmental FRT teams

Within 10 kilometers of the White House
..... Additional Weapon emplacements, both manned and not
..... DC Police
..... UCAS Marines (some from Arlington, some from other stations
within the city itself)
..... UCAS Army

Within 50 kilometers
..... Multiple fighter patrols around the city at subsonic speeds at
varying intervals, heights, and speeds ... for the most part the
pilots are there in the case of actual combat, in non-combat
situations the autonav system varies the above parameters (course,
speed and altitude) at all times
..... Multiple military bases (Air Force, Navy, Marines)

White House Transportation
..... Ground Vehicles have wards and are guarded by both marked and
unmarked ground vehicles
..... helicopter gunships and transports (with troops) are along the
route and are ready to respond within a few seconds, taking anywhere
from 30 to 45 seconds to get onto the scene
..... there is a minimum of 1 helicopter that is pacing the ground
vehicles at all times (this vehicle is also armed)
..... jet fighter (standard and vtol) are also within a few moment's
reaction time to being on the scene (gotta love afterburners) ...

Helicopter Transportation
..... Multiple helicopters in formation (at least two, more than
likely three), the choppers are gunship/transports, similar the
Blackhawks in current use today, and some dedicated gunships (Advanced
Commanches perhaps)
..... Fighter Jets are within a moments time from reacting

Air Force One (AF1)
..... Protected by a squadron of fighters at all times, close-in, you
are looking at anywhere from 8-12 fighters
..... At regular intervals there are additional aircraft (from the
same squadron) that are advance aircraft for AF1
..... There is a dedicated (and heavily guarded) military transport
that carries the Presidential entourages ground vehicles, additional
secret service personnel, weaponry and the like, this transport is the
"advance" vehicle that arrives ahead of the President's arrival by
several hours time

So, what does this all boil down to? The White House is contained
within security so tight that it could squeeze milk from a man's chest
... and the only room not subject to this level of scrutiny is a
single bathroom that the President uses (his in the Oval Office, not
the one in his residences section). This does not mean that she is
impregnable, it would take an incredible amount of planning to pull a
successful run on the White House and get away with it.

Ah, yes, I did forget one more thing though ... there would be a
Detect Enemies spell in effect around the White House (large AoE) and
covering the grounds and inside of the building would be a Detect
Intruder spell active at all times ...

Personally, by now in the game, the White House has a standing
background count of 2-3 (I'd go with a 3), and due to the constant
nature of the magical levels kept up ... it may also be possible that
some of the Secret Service mages have learned to tap this background
count into their favor, similar to those background counts found at
Stonehenge and the like ...

> Also, at what times would the President generally be
> found in each location? Again, now and in SR times.

This information is rarely available to the public, keep track of the
media as they pretty much know where the President is at all times
(all those public appearances) ... for the most part, the President
spends most of his time in the White House when in DC, the only times
he really leaves are for personal political appearances (a lot of
these)

> Don't worry - I'm not a lunatic planning on blowing
> the place up. ;)

*laugh*
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 17:00:02 2001
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> Take that, FBI!
>
> ;)
>
> Okay, folks, me again. I'm hoping some of you can help
> me here, or give me pointers to good places to look up
> this information (I figure some of these questions are
> unlikely to be answered on the White House homepage :)
> ).
>
> Anyway, I'm wondering what in the way of security
> would be found at the White House, the Capitol
> Building and the Residence (I believe that's what it's
> called - the place where the President actually lives)
> at night,

Actually, I believe that the President and his family do sleep in the
White House. It keeps him as close to his offices and situation rooms
as possible without forcing him to bunk in them. Always good in a
crisis, especially if there are threats against his life.

The Residence you are talking about, I believe is the Vice Presidents
residence. It's a non-descript building not far from the Capitol
building. The White House, Residence, Capitol building, Pentagon, and
any other major agency are all interconnected by a "private" subway to
ease travel and increase security.

--
Iridios
--
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After I kidnap the beautiful princess, we will be married
immediately in a quiet civil ceremony, not a lavish spectacle in
three weeks' time during which the final phase of my plan will
be carried out.

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Doug Browne)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 17:10:01 2001
>The Residence you are talking about, I believe is the Vice Presidents
>residence. It's a non-descript building not far from the Capitol
>building. The White House, Residence, Capitol building, Pentagon,
and
>any other major agency are all interconnected by a "private"
subway to
>ease travel and increase security.

I disagree. I believe that "the Residence" is actually the residential
part of the White House, as opposed to the part where people's
offices (including the Oval Office) are.

--Dejaffa
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Fenris F-e-n-r-i-s)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 17:50:01 2001
Something you should remember in case your players ( or if the GM wants
another reason to hose a run ) decide to make their get-away ( or insertion
) in some type of aircraft/flying vehicle.


Washington D.C. today ( and probably in 2061 ) has a "No-Fly Zone" over it,
from the Potomac to the other side, if you ever go there, you'll notice
planes always fly AROUND Washington D.C. and never over it.
Now, assuming that the UCAS government is not stupid, they probably also
enforce an astral "no-fly zone" or "no-spectral zone" you could call
it.
It's just common sense, floating around on the astral plane gives you the
same amount of freedom that flying in a jet-engine aircraft does, right? So
mages probably have to keep themselves physical the whole time, it's also
probably forbidden to practice magic of any kind too, but that's all just
speculation.


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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 18:35:01 2001
Doug Browne wrote:
>
> >The Residence you are talking about, I believe is the Vice Presidents
> >residence. It's a non-descript building not far from the Capitol
> >building. The White House, Residence, Capitol building, Pentagon,
> and
> >any other major agency are all interconnected by a "private"
> subway to
> >ease travel and increase security.
>
> I disagree. I believe that "the Residence" is actually the residential
> part of the White House, as opposed to the part where people's
> offices (including the Oval Office) are.


But it is in the same building. Thus they share the same security
measures.

>
> --Dejaffa


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If I learn the whereabouts of the one artifact which can destroy
me, I will not send all my troops out to seize it. Instead I
will send them out to seize something else and quietly put a
Want-Ad in the local paper.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steve Mancini)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 20:25:01 2001
You know, the first thing I thought of when seeing this post
was.. if there is any truth to the idea that the gov watches
email for specific terms - how many red flags did this topic
just set off :)

Just an amusing side note from your humble horned bull

Da Minotaur
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Tue Sep 4 23:30:01 2001
<snipt!(TM)>
> Washington D.C. today ( and probably in 2061 ) has a
"No-Fly Zone" over it, from the Potomac to the other
side, if you ever go there, you'll notice planes
always fly AROUND Washington D.C. and never over it.
Now, assuming that the UCAS government is not stupid,
they probably also enforce an astral "no-fly zone" or
"no-spectral zone" you could call it. It's just
common sense, floating around on the astral plane
gives you the same amount of freedom that flying in a
jet-engine aircraft does, right? So mages probably
have to keep themselves physical the whole time, it's
also probably forbidden to practice magic of any kind
too, but that's all just speculation.

THANK you!

I remembered to ask this this morning, but this is
even better. :)

To be honest, though, that "no magic" thing is
probably impossible to enforce, so I wouldn't expect
to see anything more the regular "must register
mages/powerful spells/foci etc." laws. Within the
White House itself, I'm sure it's a different matter, though.

====Doc'
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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Fenris F-e-n-r-i-s)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Wed Sep 5 00:05:01 2001
>
>THANK you!
>
>I remembered to ask this this morning, but this is
>even better. :)
>
>To be honest, though, that "no magic" thing is
>probably impossible to enforce, so I wouldn't expect
>to see anything more the regular "must register
>mages/powerful spells/foci etc." laws. Within the
>White House itself, I'm sure it's a different matter, though.
>

Hey, no problem, I'm suprised no one mentioned it already.
As for the astral thing, I'm sure it could be worked out, could be as simple
as putting wards surrounding the D.C. area.

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Wed Sep 5 04:15:00 2001
> You know, the first thing I thought of when seeing
this post was.. if there is any truth to the idea that
the gov watches email for specific terms - how many
red flags did this topic just set off :)
>
> Just an amusing side note from your humble horned
bull
> Da Minotaur

Why did you think I made that FBI comment at the
start? ;)

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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Wed Sep 5 04:20:01 2001
> >To be honest, though, that "no magic" thing is
probably impossible to enforce, so I wouldn't expect
to see anything more the regular "must register
mages/powerful spells/foci etc." laws. Within the
White House itself, I'm sure it's a different matter,
though.
>
> Hey, no problem, I'm suprised no one mentioned it
already. As for the astral thing, I'm sure it could be
worked out, could be as simple as putting wards
surrounding the D.C. area.

*Doc's jaw flaps speechlessly...*

Um...around the White House/Capitol, maybe, but all of
DC? That's a seriously large area to be warding, man.

Even around the White House, I'd figure it'd be more
likely to set summoned spirits to watch the place and
only ward specific important areas.

But that's just me.

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Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Fenris F-e-n-r-i-s)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Wed Sep 5 04:45:01 2001
>
>*Doc's jaw flaps speechlessly...*
>
>Um...around the White House/Capitol, maybe, but all of
>DC? That's a seriously large area to be warding, man.
>
>Even around the White House, I'd figure it'd be more
>likely to set summoned spirits to watch the place and
>only ward specific important areas.
>
>But that's just me.
>


Yeah well give me a break, I dont own Magic in the Shadows, I stick strictly
to Street Samurai's, Mercenaries, and possibly Riggers

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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: [OT] The White House and Explosives
Date: Wed Sep 5 08:40:01 2001
> Yeah well give me a break, I dont own Magic in the
Shadows, I stick strictly to Street Samurai's,
Mercenaries, and possibly Riggers

*lol*

Sorry, dude...no offense intended.

Trust me on this one, though - there'd be astral
patrols around the White House/Capitol etc. (by mages
and spirits), warding on key areas, possibly on the
entirety of each building (not the grounds, though),
but it'd be practically impossible to seal of all of
DC from magical influences.

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