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Message no. 1
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
All I have to say is...

SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

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Message no. 2
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:09:26 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 12:07 PM
Subject: [OT] X-Men


>All I have to say is...
>
>SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>:)
>
Tuesday for me, was going to see it Thursday but I'm too cheap (and I don't
like the idea of a cinema full of kids on holiday either)
Message no. 3
From: Spike spike1@****.freenet.co.uk
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:08:50 +0100 (BST)
And verily, didst Rand Ratinac babble thusly...
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> All I have to say is...
>
> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> :)

When it comes out, I probably will...
Seen Chicken Run yet?
If so, did you see it all? Or did you leave during the closing credits?

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Message no. 4
From: Adam J adamj@*********.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:15:01 -0600
At 19:06 7/14/00 -0700, Rand Ratinac wrote:
>All I have to say is...
>
>SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No :)

Adam
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Message no. 5
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:54:23 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Spike <spike1@****.freenet.co.uk>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>And verily, didst Rand Ratinac babble thusly...
>[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
>> All I have to say is...
>>
>> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> :)
>
>When it comes out, I probably will...
>Seen Chicken Run yet?
>If so, did you see it all? Or did you leave during the closing credits?
>
NEVER leave during the closing credits, they always hide the best bits
there. OK, maybe not in movies like The Perfect Storm, but in good ones they
do :?)
I don't think Chicken Run comes out in Oz for a few months yet. But we got
X-Men first!
Message no. 6
From: DragonC147@***.com DragonC147@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:38:52 EDT
Hey,

I just saw the movie X-Men and I have to agree with Doc, you should go see
it. Its a good movie, and it also gives ideas about physad's.

Dragon Claw
Message no. 7
From: DragonC147@***.com DragonC147@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:47:40 EDT
Hi,

I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?) from the X-men and the Marvel
comic from way back when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
with the power of fast healing, and the ability to take extra damage,
wouldn't the insertion of the antimantium metal into his body make that power
go away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a physad in the SR
world that could do the same, take Cyberware and yet still keep his powers?

Dragon Claw
Message no. 8
From: Zebulin L. Magby zebulingod@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:00:36 -0700
"Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com>
>
> All I have to say is...
>
> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> :)
>
> ====> Doc'
> (aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka
Doc' Vader)
>

Been there, seen it. :) I can concur, however. Must see...

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Message no. 9
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:31:38 -0400
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Rand
Ratinac?<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
> All I have to say is...
>
> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> :)
>
Yes, you must see it. It rocks!

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Message no. 10
From: Jean-François Major maje123@*******.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:43:28 EDT
>Hi,
>
>I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?) from the X-men and the
>Marvel
>comic from way back when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
>with the power of fast healing, and the ability to take extra damage,
>wouldn't the insertion of the antimantium metal into his body make that
>power
>go away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a physad in the SR
>world that could do the same, take Cyberware and yet still keep his powers?
>
>Dragon Claw

Well, if you take a look at the Marvel Adventure Game Roster Book and
compare it with the X-Men Roster, you will see that Wolverine got all the
adamantium in his body ripped away by Magneto, and his Healing Factor got
significantly more powerful. So I think the cyberware in his body "would"
affect his adept powers (but they'd still be pretty darn impressive!), since
this proves they got better without the cyber.

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Message no. 11
From: Logan Graves logan1@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:17:13 -0400
In our last episode, Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> All I have to say is...
>
> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doc's right on the money!!

Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
Now how'd that happen?

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Message no. 12
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:59:26 -0400
DragonC147@***.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?) from the X-men and the Marvel
> comic from way back when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
> with the power of fast healing, and the ability to take extra damage,
> wouldn't the insertion of the antimantium metal into his body make that power
> go away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a physad in the SR
> world that could do the same, take Cyberware and yet still keep his powers?
>
> Dragon Claw


Okay, from what I understand, though I never delved very deeply into
this because the magic system in this game just gives me no end of
headaches. (I don't deal well with magic in RPGs...especially when my
players are making the main game hard enough... I can't even run mages
because I just can't get the grasp of what they can/can't do...) Here's
the way it seems to me. (You know the drill, if I'm wrong shoot me in da
foot and say shaddup!) You can still perform magic (burn-out mages,
etc...) if you have cyberware and I think the same applies for phys-ads.
Possibly. (Like I said, it's never come up for me...) You might have to
perform like some kind of geas or something like that...not too sure.

An alternative suggestion though. Instead of making Wolvie a phys-ad,
just cybernetically augment him. He was a science experiment (Weapon X)
anyway. The claws are easy...cyberspurs. Adamantium lacing can be
replaced with titanium bone lacing (or if you're feeling creative come
up with the stats for adamantium and maybe even incorporate the
discovery of this compound into a campaign) and you can heighten the
senses and strength with cyberware as well. The only thing this leaves
is the healing factor, though which any true Wolverine fan will tell
you...is a MUST. Now I'm not certain on this one, but I think there's
cyberware for that too... I'd have to look though...


Snik-snik!
Message no. 13
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:05:30 -0400
> Well, if you take a look at the Marvel Adventure Game Roster Book and
> compare it with the X-Men Roster, you will see that Wolverine got all the
> adamantium in his body ripped away by Magneto, and his Healing Factor got
> significantly more powerful. So I think the cyberware in his body "would"
> affect his adept powers (but they'd still be pretty darn impressive!), since
> this proves they got better without the cyber.


IMHO this was a black day for fans, and I'm more than glad I'd been
financially forced to stop collecting comics by then. They stripped
Wolvie of his bad-ass steel plating and took away his personality,
turning him into nothing but a raving, snarling, UGLY berserk THING!
That's just fraggin' wrong. What made Wolverine for me, was the
attitude. The unsettling quiet calm cool. The quiet before the storm
when he DID go berserk!
Message no. 14
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:25:48 -0500
From: Logan Graves
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 7:17 AM

> Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
> Now how'd that happen?

They actually gave this one a budget...? Just a shot in the dark....

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Message no. 15
From: Logan Graves logan1@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:48:51 -0400
In our last episode, James Mick wrote:
>
> IMHO this was a black day for fans, and I'm more than glad I'd been
> financially forced to stop collecting comics by then. They stripped
> Wolvie of his bad-ass steel plating and took away his personality,
> turning him into nothing but a raving, snarling, UGLY berserk THING!
> That's just fraggin' wrong. What made Wolverine for me, was the
> attitude. The unsettling quiet calm cool. The quiet before the storm
> when he DID go berserk!

I concur COMPLETELY.

I wasn't as sad that day either, that I'd stopped seriously collecting a few
months prior.

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Message no. 16
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:52:49 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-François Major <maje123@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>>Hi,
>>
>>I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?) from the X-men and the
>>Marvel
>>comic from way back when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
>>with the power of fast healing, and the ability to take extra damage,
>>wouldn't the insertion of the antimantium metal into his body make that
>>power
>>go away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a physad in the SR
>>world that could do the same, take Cyberware and yet still keep his
powers?
>>
>>Dragon Claw
>
>Well, if you take a look at the Marvel Adventure Game Roster Book and
>compare it with the X-Men Roster, you will see that Wolverine got all the
>adamantium in his body ripped away by Magneto, and his Healing Factor got
>significantly more powerful. So I think the cyberware in his body "would"
>affect his adept powers (but they'd still be pretty darn impressive!),
since
>this proves they got better without the cyber.
>
I mostly gave up on X-Men comics too, so I'm not absolutely certain, but I'm
pretty sure Wolvie's adamantium bone lacing interfered with blood cell
production. His healing factor made up for that, but on a couple of
occasions when he lost his powers he became very hemophiliac. Without the
bone lacing the healing factor is more powerful because it has less to deal
with. Not really equatable with essence, especially since it came back when
the metal was taken out. (By the way, he's got the metal back again -sigh-)
Actually this brings up some interesting problems with SR bone lacing. Bones
are more than just a framework. I think though that SR bone lacing has a
small lattice around the bones. Verify this please?
Message no. 17
From: Iridios iridios@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:38:21 -0400
Patrick Goodman wrote:
>
> From: Logan Graves
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 7:17 AM
>
> > Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
> > Now how'd that happen?
>
> They actually gave this one a budget...? Just a shot in the dark....

There's that. I also think it helped to have Stan Lee pop his head
into the studio from time to time to let the producers know they were
on the right track.

Just got back from the movie. It's excellent, don't know what the
critics were whining about.

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Message no. 18
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:11:57 -0500
On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:43:28 EDT "Jean-François Major"
<maje123@*******.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> Well, if you take a look at the Marvel Adventure Game Roster Book
> and
> compare it with the X-Men Roster, you will see that Wolverine got
> all the
> adamantium in his body ripped away by Magneto, and his Healing
> Factor got
> significantly more powerful. So I think the cyberware in his body
> "would"
> affect his adept powers (but they'd still be pretty darn
> impressive!), since
> this proves they got better without the cyber.

Counter point: Sabretooth got adamantium put in (double thick [density?]
to boot) and it actually /increased/ his "healing factor" greatly.

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Message no. 19
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:02:26 -0700 (PDT)
> > All I have to say is...
> >
> > SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > :)
>
> When it comes out, I probably will...
> Seen Chicken Run yet?
> If so, did you see it all? Or did you leave during
the closing credits?
> | spike1@*******.co.uk | "Are you pondering what

Hasn't come out yet over here. Alas.

*"How do you make a chicken run?"

"Poke it up the bum with a pencil."*

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Message no. 20
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
> >All I have to say is...
> >
> >SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> No :)
>
> Adam

*Doc' refers Adam to the men in white coats...*

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Message no. 21
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > All I have to say is...
> >
> > SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Doc's right on the money!!
>
> Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
> Now how'd that happen?
> --Fenris

The fact is, I think X-Men is one series that always
WOULD translate well over to a movie. Also, they got
good actors (Hugh Jackman has shot up into my top 5
favourite actors, and not just because he's
Australian) and the script was TIGHT. And, of course,
the effects were PHENOMENAL. You would not BELIEVE how
real Wolverine's claws look (amongst other things).

This one's funny, too...I saw the Matrix and one of
the first things I said to my friends when it had
finished was, "I hope they don't make a sequel - I
think that'd spoil it". Well, they are (two sequels,
in fact, if rumours are to be believed) and I was
disappointed to hear that (not so much that I won't go
see them, though :) ). As soon as the X-Men was
finished, though, I was nearly wetting my pants with
wanting a sequel. ;)

I want MORE!!!

I am SO going to buy it as soon as it comes out on
video.

Now, sure, I'm a fan, but I went with some people who
barely knew anything about the X-Men and some who knew
NOTHING about them and they were ALL blown away.

Seriously, this has the potential to be my favourite
movie ever (nudging even the original Star Wars).

====Doc'
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Message no. 22
From: SyphonAC@***.com SyphonAC@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:33:25 EDT
In a message dated 7/15/00 1:34:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
griffinhq@****.com writes:

> On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Rand Ratinac?>
<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
> > All I have to say is...
> >
> > SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > :)
> >
> Yes, you must see it. It rocks!

Definitely. Great movie, and the jobs on the costumes and casting are great.
Now I remeber why I like Wolvie so much..... :)

Syphon
Message no. 23
From: SyphonAC@***.com SyphonAC@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:53:15 EDT
In a message dated 7/15/00 8:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sfuller@******.com.au writes:

> Not really equatable with essence, especially since it came back when
> the metal was taken out. (By the way, he's got the metal back again -sigh-)

Whoa....when did THAT happen? I mean, I basically only read Wolverine comics
and I stopped that when they took out the adamantium...when and how did he
get ti back?

Syphon
Message no. 24
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:21:36 -0500
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>

:<maje123@*******.com> writes:
:<SNIP>
:> Well, if you take a look at the Marvel Adventure Game Roster Book
:> and
:> compare it with the X-Men Roster, you will see that Wolverine got
:> all the
:> adamantium in his body ripped away by Magneto, and his Healing
:> Factor got
:> significantly more powerful. So I think the cyberware in his body
:> "would"
:> affect his adept powers (but they'd still be pretty darn
:> impressive!), since
:> this proves they got better without the cyber.
:
:Counter point: Sabretooth got adamantium put in (double thick [density?]
:to boot) and it actually /increased/ his "healing factor" greatly.

I think your forgetting the "rule of super hero power aquisition and
alteration". For (potential) supre hero's, EVERY really traumatic event
(exposure to lethal radiation, dunking in vats of toxic chemicals, bank
vaults falling on head) results in a few weapy pages and then a issue
showing how the event results in new / vastly improved super powers.
;-P

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Message no. 25
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:28:55 -0400
> Seriously, this has the potential to be my favourite
> movie ever (nudging even the original Star Wars).
>
> ====

Alright, alright...I'm a big X-Men fan too...and I'm sure it's a great
movie and all. But there's just no call for blaspehmy here! LoL!
Message no. 26
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:45:21 -0400
> Whoa....when did THAT happen? I mean, I basically only read Wolverine comics
> and I stopped that when they took out the adamantium...when and how did he
> get ti back?
>
> Syphon


::laughs:: Just a guess but they probably figured out how many Wolvie
fans it pissed off and remedied the situation quickly before the movie
came out so they could still draw in the people who loved that
particular character. (that and the bone claws would look even tackier
in a full-length motion pic...also I'm fairly sure that in the animated
series he was still the same old kickass Wolvie we all knew and loved
...minus the berserker rages...this IS a children's cartoon we're
talking about here!)

In other words. A VERY astute Hollywood/Marvel decision. Thank you to
everyone involved in bringing back the TRUE Wolverine!
Message no. 27
From: SyphonAC@***.com SyphonAC@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:01:51 EDT
In a message dated 7/16/00 11:40:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sinabian@********.net writes:

> ::laughs:: Just a guess but they probably figured out how many Wolvie
> fans it pissed off and remedied the situation quickly before the movie
> came out so they could still draw in the people who loved that
> particular character. (that and the bone claws would look even tackier
> in a full-length motion pic...also I'm fairly sure that in the animated
> series he was still the same old kickass Wolvie we all knew and loved
> ...minus the berserker rages...this IS a children's cartoon we're
> talking about here!)
>
> In other words. A VERY astute Hollywood/Marvel decision. Thank you to
> everyone involved in bringing back the TRUE Wolverine

Yup...and that's almost enough to make me check out back issues of Wolverine.
Perhaps I will....thanks for the info

Syphon
Message no. 28
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:31:02 -0400
At 10:33 AM 7/16/2000, SyphonAC@***.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/15/00 1:34:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>griffinhq@****.com writes:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Rand Ratinac?> >
<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
> > > All I have to say is...
> > >
> > > SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > Yes, you must see it. It rocks!
>
>Definitely. Great movie, and the jobs on the costumes and casting are great.
>Now I remeber why I like Wolvie so much..... :)

I just saw the Siskel and Ebert review of it and of course they said too
many characters, not enough plot. I rarely if ever listen to what they say
anyway. But the interesting point is that one of them mentioned that an
early screening had an additional 40 minutes in it (taking it from 1:40 to
2:20). Interesting to figure out what else is in there, and more
importantly will it make it into a director's cut?

Oh, and Wolvie should be made as a dwarf. They already have higher
resistance to disease...

Sommers
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Message no. 29
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:35:46 EDT
In a message dated 7/16/00 11:40:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sinabian@********.net writes:

> also I'm fairly sure that in the animated
> series he was still the same old kickass Wolvie we all knew and loved
> ...minus the berserker rages...this IS a children's cartoon we're
> talking about here!

Actually, no...they left the rages. Wolvie becomes not unlike a rabid dog
on speed...Interesting sight to watch.

John
Message no. 30
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 00 16:49:08 -0500
On 7/15/00 11:25 am, Patrick Goodman said:

>From: Logan Graves
>Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 7:17 AM
>
>> Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
>> Now how'd that happen?
>
>They actually gave this one a budget...? Just a shot in the dark....
>


Actually no it was more than that, the writing and dialog were actually
well above average for an action/adventure movie and it was suprisingly
well acted. I was especially impressed by the actors playing Rogue,
Wolverene, and Toad who managed to make their characters seem almost like
real people in these situations.

Steve
Message no. 31
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:28:02 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>> > All I have to say is...
>> >
>> > SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Doc's right on the money!!
>>
>> Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
>> Now how'd that happen?
>> --Fenris
>
>The fact is, I think X-Men is one series that always
>WOULD translate well over to a movie. Also, they got
>good actors (Hugh Jackman has shot up into my top 5
>favourite actors, and not just because he's
>Australian)

So is Anna Paquin (Rogue)! Well, actually I think she was born in Quebec and
lives in New Zealand, but we will claim any moderately successful New
Zealander as our own. And make sheep jokes about the rest :?)

and the script was TIGHT. And, of course,
>the effects were PHENOMENAL. You would not BELIEVE how
>real Wolverine's claws look (amongst other things).
>
>This one's funny, too...I saw the Matrix and one of
>the first things I said to my friends when it had
>finished was, "I hope they don't make a sequel - I
>think that'd spoil it". Well, they are (two sequels,
>in fact, if rumours are to be believed) and I was
>disappointed to hear that (not so much that I won't go
>see them, though :) ). As soon as the X-Men was
>finished, though, I was nearly wetting my pants with
>wanting a sequel. ;)
>
>I want MORE!!!
>

The creator guy promised that if the movie does well there will be a sequel,
and that Gambit will be in it (Physad if ever there was one, with his card
throwing). Maybe Beast and Nightcrawler as well, but definitely Gambit.
Whether this is good or bad, I don't know.
Message no. 32
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:17 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: SyphonAC@***.com <SyphonAC@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>In a message dated 7/15/00 8:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>sfuller@******.com.au writes:
>
>> Not really equatable with essence, especially since it came back when
>> the metal was taken out. (By the way, he's got the metal back
again -sigh-)
>
>Whoa....when did THAT happen? I mean, I basically only read Wolverine
comics
>and I stopped that when they took out the adamantium...when and how did he
>get ti back?
>
>Syphon
>

About 8 months ago, more or less, in the Ages of Apocalypse storyline. He
was recruited as Death by Apocalypse, given his adamantium back, a sword
that could cut through the Hulk, and a teleporting power. Of course, he
broke the conditioning almost straight away. He has since lost the sword and
the teleporting, with no explanation. Really not worth the read, unless you
don't like Cyclops.
Message no. 33
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:37:04 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.umich.edu>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>I just saw the Siskel and Ebert review of it and of course they said too
>many characters, not enough plot. I rarely if ever listen to what they say
>anyway. But the interesting point is that one of them mentioned that an
>early screening had an additional 40 minutes in it (taking it from 1:40 to
>2:20). Interesting to figure out what else is in there, and more
>importantly will it make it into a director's cut?
>
The extra 40 minutes was character stuff. It was decided to cut out most of
the character driven storyline so there could be more of an action emphasis.
Word is the DVD will have the extra bit included, as is the trend.
I am not going to see it til Cheaparse Tuesday, when the tickets cost less.
The worst thing is, my parents saw it before me!
Message no. 34
From: Deirdre M. Brooks xenya@********.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:45:19 -0700
Logan Graves wrote:
>
> Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
> Now how'd that happen?

The Usual Suspects.

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Message no. 35
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:31:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > Seriously, this has the potential to be my
favourite movie ever (nudging even the original Star
Wars).
>
> Alright, alright...I'm a big X-Men fan too...and I'm
sure it's a great movie and all. But there's just no
call for blaspehmy here! LoL!

Let me put it this way, James.

I collected X-Men (and other comics) for about two
years, approx. 5-6 years ago, then stopped. I have ALL
the new (and most of the old) Star Wars novels, all
the Star Wars comics compilations I could get my hands
on and a bunch of other Star Wars items.

And I still think the X-Men movie could top Star Wars:
A New Hope.

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Message no. 36
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:55:36 -0700 (PDT)
> ::laughs:: Just a guess but they probably figured
out how many Wolvie fans it pissed off and remedied
the situation quickly before the movie came out so
they could still draw in the people who loved that
particular character. (that and the bone claws would
look even tackier in a full-length motion pic...

Actually, I have no idea how the "return to metal"
happened (and I'd be interested to hear how it did, if
any knows), but I was around when it was pulled out in
the first place and as I recall soon after it happened
they started up a poll asking if the readers wanted it
put back in. Maybe it came back as a result of that.

> also I'm fairly sure that in the animated series he
was still the same old kickass Wolvie we all knew and
loved....minus the berserker rages...this IS a
children's cartoon we're talking about here!)

What you're forgetting is that the animated series
(like Spiderman and all the other animated Marvel
series') was an 'alternate world' version. For
instance, in the cartoon, Morph doesn't die (and I
think he did in the comics) and Collossus didn't join
with the X-Men (they became friends, but that was
about all).

I'd say it's the same situation with the movie. I
mean, there are obvious liberties that the writers
took (didn't spoil it, though - they HAD to have some
changes to make the movie work), so it isn't exactly a
'canon' X-Men movie. :)

> In other words. A VERY astute Hollywood/Marvel
decision. Thank you to everyone involved in bringing
back the TRUE Wolverine!

I'd probably agree, but I stopped reading shortly
after the metal went, so I never saw whether the "new,
improved" Wolverine was any good.

Anyway, we'd probably best stop talking about this, or
relate it back to SR. :) Gridsec, if there's already
been a notice saying to stop this thread, I haven't
seen it, so neh! :P

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X-Men movie...do not continue if you have a weak
constitution..."

















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Message no. 37
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >The fact is, I think X-Men is one series that
always WOULD translate well over to a movie. Also,
they got good actors (Hugh Jackman has shot up into my
top 5 favourite actors, and not just because he's
Australian)
>
> So is Anna Paquin (Rogue)! Well, actually I think
she was born in Quebec and lives in New Zealand, but
we will claim any moderately successful New Zealander
as our own. And make sheep jokes about the rest :?)

When the boy's right, he's right. ;)

Btw, I didn't know that about Anna. Hell, I don't know
ANYTHING about her - I recognised the name from
SOMEWHERE, but that's about it - what's she been in?

> >I want MORE!!!
>
> The creator guy promised that if the movie does well
there will be a sequel, and that Gambit will be in it
(Physad if ever there was one, with his card
throwing). Maybe Beast and Nightcrawler as well, but
definitely Gambit. Whether this is good or bad, I
don't know.

I'd say good, as long as they don't make the accent so
thick we can't understand what he's saying. Rogue gets
a squeeze. ;)

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Message no. 38
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:34:36 EDT
In a message dated 7/15/00 5:17:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
logan1@********.net writes:

> Marvel actually made a series-worthy movie!
> Now how'd that happen?

Well, for one, they didn't put Joel Schumacher in the director's chair. This
man ruined the Batman franchise... I saw an interview with him after "Batman
Forever" came out, and you know what he said he was most proud of on that
movie? That he had nipples put on all of the Bat-suits (and Robin suits,
etc.)
Ugh.
Message no. 39
From: Jkmiland@***.com Jkmiland@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:36:18 EDT
In a message dated 7/16/00 9:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> Btw, I didn't know that about Anna. Hell, I don't know
> ANYTHING about her - I recognised the name from
> SOMEWHERE, but that's about it - what's she been in?

She won an Oscar at the age of 11 for her role in The Piano.
Message no. 40
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:42:07 -0500
From: Rand Ratinac
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 11:34 PM

> Btw, I didn't know that about Anna. Hell, I don't know
> ANYTHING about her - I recognised the name from
> SOMEWHERE, but that's about it - what's she been in?

She won a little award a few years ago...maybe you've heard of it...the
Oscar? Anyway, she won it for THE PIANO, opposite Holly Hunter and Harvey
Keitel.

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Message no. 41
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:38:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > Btw, I didn't know that about Anna. Hell, I don't
know ANYTHING about her - I recognised the name from
SOMEWHERE, but that's about it - what's she been in?
>
> She won an Oscar at the age of 11 for her role in
The Piano.

Ah...that explains it.

Hands up anyone who can picture me watching a movie
like The Piano and not laugh. :)

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Message no. 42
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:03:25 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Collins" <einan@*********.net>
<snip>
> Toad
<snip>

Wasn't that Toad actor the Darth Maul in Star Wars?

DV8

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Message no. 43
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:14:15 -0500
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:17 +1000 "Simon and Fiona"
<sfuller@******.com.au> writes:
<SNIP Ages of Appocalypse Storyline>
> Really not worth the read, unless you
> don't like Cyclops.

You mean someone actually likes Cyclops? ;)

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Message no. 44
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:08:43 -0400
Around 03:03 AM 7/17/00, DV8 was thinking about:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Collins" <einan@*********.net>
><snip>
> > Toad
><snip>
>
>Wasn't that Toad actor the Darth Maul in Star Wars?
>
>DV8

Yup. He even did a little flair with that staff that he pulled out of the
elevator shaft that looked just like one he did in Episode I.

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Message no. 45
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:10:35 -0600
DragonC147@***.com wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?) from the X-men and the Marvel
>comic from way back when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
>with the power of fast healing, and the ability to take extra damage,
>wouldn't the insertion of the antimantium metal into his body make that power
>go away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a physad in the SR
>world that could do the same, take Cyberware and yet still keep his powers?

That could be overcome with Geasa and/or initiating.



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Message no. 46
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:24:36 -0400
>
>Wasn't that Toad actor the Darth Maul in Star Wars?
>
>DV8
>
>"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
>- John Milton, Paradise Lost



Yes it was. Damned if I can think of the actor's name right now but it
will...yes! Ray Park. Anyway, yep, that was Darth Maul. (He get cut in half
in this movie too?!? LoL!)
Message no. 47
From: Bai Shen baishen@**********.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:31:52 -0400
> >I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?) from the X-men and the Marvel
> >comic from way back when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
> >with the power of fast healing, and the ability to take extra damage,
> >wouldn't the insertion of the antimantium metal into his body make that power
> >go away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a physad in the SR
> >world that could do the same, take Cyberware and yet still keep his powers?
> That could be overcome with Geasa and/or initiating.

Yeah, the powers would go away, but that's the way the Wolverine in the
comics is. The majority of his healing factor was spent keeping the
adamantium from killing him. After it was removed, his healing factor
went through the roof.

Bai Shen
Message no. 48
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:43:11 -0600
James Mick wrote:
> >
> >Wasn't that Toad actor the Darth Maul in Star Wars?
>
>Yes it was. Damned if I can think of the actor's name right now but it
>will...yes! Ray Park. Anyway, yep, that was Darth Maul. (He get cut in half
>in this movie too?!? LoL!)

If you're going to answer this question, or discuss any of the X-Men movie
details, please add spoiler space.


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Message no. 49
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:57:51 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: <dbuehrer@******.carl.org>
> If you're going to answer this question, or discuss any of the X-Men movie
> details, please add spoiler space.

I'm not really the one to be bummed out about knowing that the butler did it
before watching a movie or reading a book, but I can imagine a lot of
people's fun being ruined by spoilers.

DV8

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Message no. 50
From: SyphonAC@***.com SyphonAC@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:07:25 EDT
In a message dated 7/17/00 11:20:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sinabian@********.net writes:

> Yes it was. Damned if I can think of the actor's name right now but it
> will...yes! Ray Park. Anyway, yep, that was Darth Maul. (He get cut in half
> in this movie too?!? LoL!)

And I seem to remeber reading somewhere he was the face of the Headless
Horseman in "Sleepy Hollow" too...all thirty seconds you saw the face anyways.

Syphon
Message no. 51
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:16:23 -0400
>And I seem to remeber reading somewhere he was the face of the Headless
>Horseman in "Sleepy Hollow" too...all thirty seconds you saw the face
anyways.
>
>Syphon
>
>
>

You sure about that? I mean that would be kewl cause ...wait...spoiler
space...





















so anyways, as I was saying, that would be cool because that would put Darth
Sidious AND Darth Maul in the same movie together. But then it doesn't make
sense because the Headless Horseman was basically the
ghost/wraith/what-have-you of the Hessian, who was played by...damn... I'm
having the greatest amount of difficulty with names today. Christopher
Walken! I knew it was a Christopher something...jeez. I needa call off werk
and go back to bed! LoL!
Message no. 52
From: SyphonAC@***.com SyphonAC@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:34:02 EDT
In a message dated 7/17/00 1:12:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sinabian@********.net writes:

> You sure about that? I mean that would be kewl cause ...wait...spoiler
> space...

No I'm not.... :) I seem to remeber him (Park) saying in an interview he had
something to do with the movie...I dunno.....with the kind of roles he seems
to have gotten until playing Toad, I imagine he was the horseman....when you
didn't see his head...

Syphon
Message no. 53
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
> > >I was thinking about the mutant Wolverine(sp?)
from the X-men and the Marvel comic from way back
when. Since he would be considered a physical adept,
with the power of fast healing, and the ability to
take extra damage, wouldn't the insertion of the
antimantium metal into his body make that power go
away, or at least diminish? If not could you make a
physad in the SR world that could do the same, take
Cyberware and yet still keep his powers?
> >
> > That could be overcome with Geasa and/or
initiating.
>
> Yeah, the powers would go away, but that's the way
the Wolverine in the comics is. The majority of his
healing factor was spent keeping the adamantium from
killing him. After it was removed, his healing factor
went through the roof.
> Bai Shen
<snipt!(TM)>

Okay, I didn't snip anything, but I just felt like
typing that.

A suggestion for a non-canon Wolverine. Give him the
Regeneration power as an adept ability (cost, 4, 6
points?) and base it off essence or magic (roll an
essence/magic test to regenerate damage each
round/whatever). That way, implants (like the
adamantium skeleton) lower the power's effectiveness.
Of course, you can't COMPLETELY simulate it (the
restoration of power by the removal of cyber doesn't
happen) without fiddling the rules a bit more.

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Message no. 54
From: Bushyduck Bushyduck@**********.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:27:58 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
>Behalf Of Alfredo B Alves
>
> You mean someone actually likes Cyclops? ;)
>
IIRC Cyclopes was a real jerk during the age of Apocalypse. And being
nowhere near the boy scout we all know and hate helped immensely.

Bushyduck, The Divine Messenger of Kawaii Weirdness
Message no. 55
From: DragonC147@***.com DragonC147@***.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:39:38 EDT
<snip>
> A suggestion for a non-canon Wolverine. Give him the
> Regeneration power as an adept ability (cost, 4, 6
> points?) and base it off essence or magic (roll an
> essence/magic test to regenerate damage each
> round/whatever). That way, implants (like the
> adamantium skeleton) lower the power's effectiveness.
> Of course, you can't COMPLETELY simulate it (the
> restoration of power by the removal of cyber doesn't
> happen) without fiddling the rules a bit more.
>

Could you just use the critter power regeneration but give it points to turn
it into a adept power. Not change the rules on it, just give it the
properties needed to make it an adept power?

Dragon Claw
Message no. 56
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
> > A suggestion for a non-canon Wolverine. Give him
the Regeneration power as an adept ability (cost, 4, 6
points?) and base it off essence or magic (roll an
essence/magic test to regenerate damage each
round/whatever). That way, implants (like the
adamantium skeleton) lower the power's effectiveness.
Of course, you can't COMPLETELY simulate it (the
restoration of power by the removal of cyber doesn't
happen) without fiddling the rules a bit more.
>
> Could you just use the critter power regeneration
but give it points to turn it into a adept power. Not
change the rules on it, just give it the properties
needed to make it an adept power?
> Dragon Claw

You could, but I wouldn't suggest it. Automatic
(except on a roll of 1 after taking deadly damage),
immediate regeneration is a bit too powerful. Gurth
(amongst others, I'm sure) has adapted the
regeneration rules so that a test is required.
Wolverine never regenerated from damage that would
kill someone in 3 seconds (although he MAY have been
able to after losing his metal - never read those
comics) and I don't think anyone else should be able to.

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Message no. 57
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:53:16 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Bushyduck <Bushyduck@**********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] X-Men


>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>Behalf Of Alfredo B Alves
>>
>> You mean someone actually likes Cyclops? ;)
>>
> IIRC Cyclopes was a real jerk during the age of Apocalypse. And being
>nowhere near the boy scout we all know and hate helped immensely.
>
Besides finding the character pretty dull, I have nothing against Cyclops. A
lot of fanboys really hate him because he married a woman who looked just
like his dead girlfriend, had a baby with her (now Cable, who is much older
than his father :?)), then when Jean inevitably came back to life he left
his wife and son to go back to her. This was back in the 1980's, but when
you live in your parents' basement you tend to bear grudges for a long time
:?)
Now how would you go about Shadowrunising Cyclops, with his solar powered
eyebeams, eh? THERE'S a challenge.
Message no. 58
From: Tzeentch tzeentch666@*********.net
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:04:22 -0700
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
> Now how would you go about Shadowrunising Cyclops, with his solar powered
> eyebeams, eh? THERE'S a challenge.

For some reason I think a conversion of the X-Men/Marvel RPG to a
Shadowrun-style system would be infinintely better then trying to cram the
comic book powers into the fairly limited scope of SR. The game shouldn't be
THAT hard to find, I see the various update books in the used bin at the
shop in Spokane all the time.

Some resource sites are:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~vlemming/
http://expuni.frenzmail.com/index.html
http://www.marvelheroes.f2s.com/
http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/battlespire/85/homepage.htm

Ken
Message no. 59
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:55:13 -0500
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


> Besides finding the character pretty dull, I have nothing against Cyclops.
A
> lot of fanboys really hate him because he married a woman who looked just
> like his dead girlfriend, had a baby with her (now Cable, who is much
older
> than his father :?)), then when Jean inevitably came back to life he left
> his wife and son to go back to her. This was back in the 1980's, but when
> you live in your parents' basement you tend to bear grudges for a long
time
> :?)
> Now how would you go about Shadowrunising Cyclops, with his solar powered
> eyebeams, eh? THERE'S a challenge.

Ah hell no, he's the least challenging of them all IMO. He's the Sorceror
Adept who has a thing for *JUST* Light Ray and related spells that have
numerous restrictions (always come from the eyes, needs a special visor
(spell type foci) to control it right, super-severe attitude... etc..).
Hell, with all the "geasa" that would be attached to his abilities, his
drain would probably NEVER really strike him down hence he'd be able to use
the things all the fraggin time.

Making Storm, Rogue or Jean would be the really tough ones IMO. Even Xavier
would be easier than Jean (as he was just a Telepathic type, Jean had
Telekinetics as well).

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"Children of the Kernel: Reborn"
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Message no. 60
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:57:17 -0500
From: "Tzeentch" <tzeentch666@*********.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


> For some reason I think a conversion of the X-Men/Marvel RPG to a
> Shadowrun-style system would be infinintely better then trying to cram the
> comic book powers into the fairly limited scope of SR. The game shouldn't
be
> THAT hard to find, I see the various update books in the used bin at the
> shop in Spokane all the time.
>
> Some resource sites are:
> http://www.telebyte.nl/~vlemming/
> http://expuni.frenzmail.com/index.html
> http://www.marvelheroes.f2s.com/
> http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/battlespire/85/homepage.htm


I agree in the "cramming" directions here. I do know of a guy though who
was a HUGE fan of the Marvel Game mechanics, but discovered he REALLY loved
the Shadowrun "Universe". Hence, he'd use it's game mechanics but the SR's
storyline. Never played in those ... something about them just bothered me.
Sad too IMO. His Marvel games (no storyline crossovers) were most excellent
and most enjoyable.

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"Children of the Kernel: Reborn"
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Message no. 61
From: Matt Waltner-Toews cheshire_penguin@*******.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:12:13 PDT
<snip>
>Could you just use the critter power regeneration but give it points to
>turn
>it into a adept power. Not change the rules on it, just give it the
>properties needed to make it an adept power?
<snip>

It's already done and in the phys-ads handybook 5.0: "regeneration" costs 10
points (consider that it makes a phys-ad more powerful than the average
vampire or wendigo, since the phys-ad doesn't necessarily have a
vulnerability or allergy!). I thought the cost was a little high, so in my
campaign I made it worth 8 points, still way out of reach for beginning
players.

>>>[Humans are all the same, except for the different ones.]<<<
---the Cheshire Penguin(11:09:45/18-07-00)

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Message no. 62
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:28:12 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>> Now how would you go about Shadowrunising Cyclops, with his solar powered
>> eyebeams, eh? THERE'S a challenge.
>
>For some reason I think a conversion of the X-Men/Marvel RPG to a
>Shadowrun-style system would be infinintely better then trying to cram the
>comic book powers into the fairly limited scope of SR. The game shouldn't
be
>THAT hard to find, I see the various update books in the used bin at the
>shop in Spokane all the time.
>
This was just for the sake of mental exersise. a) I wouldn't do a cross over
or conversion anyway b) if I did I would just have mutants in Shadowrun
instead of trying to make adepts etc. Imagine a flying troll. I think the
marvel game mechanics were pretty good. Simple yet covering everything
pretty well. And they had Karma before Shadowrun did :?)
Message no. 63
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:35:01 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: NeoJudas <neojudas@******************.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men
>
>
>> Besides finding the character pretty dull, I have nothing against
Cyclops.
>A
>> lot of fanboys really hate him because he married a woman who looked just
>> like his dead girlfriend, had a baby with her (now Cable, who is much
>older
>> than his father :?)), then when Jean inevitably came back to life he left
>> his wife and son to go back to her. This was back in the 1980's, but when
>> you live in your parents' basement you tend to bear grudges for a long
>time
>> :?)
>> Now how would you go about Shadowrunising Cyclops, with his solar powered
>> eyebeams, eh? THERE'S a challenge.
>
>Ah hell no, he's the least challenging of them all IMO. He's the Sorceror
>Adept who has a thing for *JUST* Light Ray and related spells that have
>numerous restrictions (always come from the eyes, needs a special visor
>(spell type foci) to control it right, super-severe attitude... etc..).
>Hell, with all the "geasa" that would be attached to his abilities, his
>drain would probably NEVER really strike him down hence he'd be able to use
>the things all the fraggin time.
>
>Making Storm, Rogue or Jean would be the really tough ones IMO. Even
Xavier
>would be easier than Jean (as he was just a Telepathic type, Jean had
>Telekinetics as well).
>
I don't know about Rogue, but the others could be made as various mage
types. Storm shaman or even a storm spirit in great form somehow locked into
a human body, Jean would just have Magic Fingers (now there's an image to
keep you warm) and other simmilar spells.
Has anyone ever considered having a system where a character is limited to
maybe two or three closely related spells, or even just one, and can never
have any other spells, astral abilities (including perception), bonded stuff
or anything. Instead they have substantially reduced drain, so can have
their one spell at a much higher level than is normally safe. Could be
interesting.
Message no. 64
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:50:04 -0500
From: Tzeentch
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:04 AM

> For some reason I think a conversion of the X-Men/Marvel RPG to a
> Shadowrun-style system would be infinintely better then trying to
> cram the comic book powers into the fairly limited scope of SR.

Now that might be an interesting idea....

Oh, and *THANK YOU* for the links. I've been way too busy to look for some
of this stuff myself; I appreciate the pointers.

God, I miss the real RPG (as opposed to that damned card game they changed
it to; maybe once D&D3 comes out, they'll put out Marvel Super Heroes as a
real RPG again).

--
Patrick E. Goodman
pgoodman13@************.com
"I'm going to tell you something cool." -- Gene Wolfe
http://communities.msn.com/ShadowrunDataHaven/
Message no. 65
From: Chipeloi chipeloi@***.nl
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:52:50 +0200
In the asylum, Rand Ratinac whispered in the corridors:

> All I have to say is...
>
> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>




um ya...............

i would love to BUT

i need to wait another 2 monthes it wil come here at around 20
september


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGG

Gods damn it i hate it when i hear lots of good things about an film
and have to wait 4 months til it finaly gets released here

andy on got an idee why this is?

PS i live in the netherlands

--
>If you thought Chipeloi was crazy just wait till you meet me !
Message no. 66
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] X-Men
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:09:24 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Chipeloi <chipeloi@***.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


In the asylum, Rand Ratinac whispered in the corridors:

> All I have to say is...
>
> SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

um ya...............
i would love to BUT
i need to wait another 2 monthes it wil come here at around 20
september
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGG
Gods damn it i hate it when i hear lots of good things about an film
and have to wait 4 months til it finaly gets released here
andy on got an idee why this is?

PS i live in the netherlands

Its the same in Germany, I assume they have to take out all the anti-EU
propaganda. You know, when Cyclops blasts a hole through both entire
football grand finals teams, Wolverine using a fistful of Euros instead of
toilet paper, Jean Grey blowing up the Chunnel to protect the purity of the
British Isles, Magneto, the one European, getting beaten. When you get to
see it, it will be about 15 minutes long.
My way of saying I have no idea but it isn't just the Netherlands. Australia
got it first in the world though :?)

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