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Message no. 1
From: Kevin Roberts <krst0023@****.NET>
Subject: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:01:32 -0600
Hello there, This is my first posting so here goes.

I was looking through my stuff of Out of Print Mags and came across
some spells.
The spell Lighting Bolt page 40 of KaGe Iss. 12, Vol 1.
1) Does any have any other spell about Lighting or Weather?
I am trying to create a Shaman Who does only weather and Storm
Type spells.

2) I am also trying to find early Issues of KaGe. If you have any of them
I would be interested in buying them from you.

Thanks

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Message no. 2
From: Justin Pinnow <jpinnow@*****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:37:07 -0500
Kevin Roberts wrote:

> Hello there, This is my first posting so here goes.

Welcome to the club, Kevin! :)

> I was looking through my stuff of Out of Print Mags and came across
> some spells.
> The spell Lighting Bolt page 40 of KaGe Iss. 12, Vol 1.
> 1) Does any have any other spell about Lighting or Weather?
> I am trying to create a Shaman Who does only weather and Storm
> Type spells.

My suggestion to you is to subscribe to Shadowland magazine. They have
lots of new spells all the time and some nice runs and fiction. :)
Also, you could take pretty much any elemental spell and change it over
to being a lightning spell.

For example, you could turn a flame bolt into a lightning bolt spell
just by changing the elemental effect...the stats would all stay the
same.

> 2) I am also trying to find early Issues of KaGe. If you have any of them
> I would be interested in buying them from you.

Sorry, but I can't help you with that.

> Thanks

> End of line.....

Justin :)
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Message no. 3
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:01:51 +1100
> The spell Lighting Bolt page 40 of KaGe Iss. 12, Vol 1.
> 1) Does any have any other spell about Lighting or Weather?
> I am trying to create a Shaman Who does only weather and Storm
> Type spells.

I had one called Chain Lightning (not the one from Awakenings).
Basically it was a modified flame bomb with Electricity elemental
effects instead of Fire.

At Force 8, it did lots of nasty things to the bad guys... and the bad
guys' electrical wirings... :)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:14:47 +0100
Justin Pinnow said on 15:37/11 Feb 97...

> My suggestion to you is to subscribe to Shadowland magazine. They have
> lots of new spells all the time and some nice runs and fiction. :)

A bit too much fiction for my taste... Every time it seems like half the
magazine is filled with stories instead of things you can use over and
over again.

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Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:54:53 -0500
>A bit too much fiction for my taste... Every time it seems like half the
>magazine is filled with stories instead of things you can use over and
>over again.

Really? I find the fiction not bad (I've seen a lot of worse quality). And
I get tired of forty billion different guns. If they had Misc.
Equipment....I'd love that.

I still think my fav's Were the Hypo-doc and Welding torches from KaGe.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:06:38 +0100
Brett Borger said on 15:54/12 Feb 97...

> Really? I find the fiction not bad (I've seen a lot of worse quality).

The fiction's okay, but I read it once and that's it. Things like optional
rules, equipment, and things like that can be used over and over again.
That goes for adventures to a limited degree as well, but not the
fiction.

> And I get tired of forty billion different guns. If they had Misc.
> Equipment....I'd love that.

Write some and send it in. AFAIK Shadowland only publishes articles that
gets sent to it (plus the occasional preview of a new FASA book), so if
you send in an article with non-weapon equipment (and it gets through
FASAMike's approval), there'll be Misc. Equipment in it...

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Message no. 7
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:09:33 -0500
>The fiction's okay, but I read it once and that's it. Things like optional
>rules, equipment, and things like that can be used over and over again.
>That goes for adventures to a limited degree as well, but not the
>fiction.

True....I think the best thing so far were the rules on shapechanger duels.

>Write some and send it in. AFAIK Shadowland only publishes articles that
>gets sent to it (plus the occasional preview of a new FASA book), so if
>you send in an article with non-weapon equipment (and it gets through
>FASAMike's approval), there'll be Misc. Equipment in it...

1) Anything I send in and they accept becomes their property....since I'm
pushing for submissions to my web page, I'd rather put it there. Besides, I
already know all the stuff _I_ can think up....my sorry imagination is
looking for a boost from other people.

2) Does FASAMike really approve the stuff? I though SOK approved it on
their own...

(Opinion only, I have no real clue)

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:53:40 +0100
Brett Borger said on 13:09/13 Feb 97...

> >The fiction's okay, but I read it once and that's it. Things like optional
> >rules, equipment, and things like that can be used over and over again.
> >That goes for adventures to a limited degree as well, but not the
> >fiction.
>
> True....I think the best thing so far were the rules on shapechanger duels.

This, BTW, was also what bugged me about Virtual Realities. Good to see
FASA didn't fall into that same trap again.

> 1) Anything I send in and they accept becomes their property....

If you think that way, nothing you write will ever get published
anywhere...

> since I'm pushing for submissions to my web page, I'd rather put it
> there. Besides, I already know all the stuff _I_ can think up....my
> sorry imagination is looking for a boost from other people.

Watch TV shows and movies, read books, look at things in the street/
stores/catalogs/supplements for other games/etc. and see if any of that
sparks an idea...

> 2) Does FASAMike really approve the stuff? I though SOK approved it on
> their own...

AFAIK he does -- something I wrote (the suburban brawl thing, for those
who've been around for some time) got turned down because Mike thought it
was too far removed from what's possible in SR.

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Message no. 9
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:11:42 -0500
>> 1) Anything I send in and they accept becomes their property....
>
>If you think that way, nothing you write will ever get published
>anywhere...

When I can publish things to my content now? Once my site gets large enough
that I don't feel like an imposter, I won't worry, but right now...

>> since I'm pushing for submissions to my web page, I'd rather put it
>> there. Besides, I already know all the stuff _I_ can think up....my
>> sorry imagination is looking for a boost from other people.
>
>Watch TV shows and movies, read books, look at things in the street/
>stores/catalogs/supplements for other games/etc. and see if any of that
>sparks an idea...

I do! But face it, if we all wanted to rely on our imaginations alone, we
wouldn't have bought Shadowrun, or be talking with other
people....Communication breeds ideas.

>> 2) Does FASAMike really approve the stuff? I though SOK approved it on
>> their own...
>AFAIK he does -- something I wrote (the suburban brawl thing, for those
>who've been around for some time) got turned down because Mike thought it
>was too far removed from what's possible in SR.

Interesting.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:39:58 +0100
Brett Borger said on 19:11/14 Feb 97...

> When I can publish things to my content now?

But do you get any money for it? :)

> Once my site gets large enough that I don't feel like an imposter, I
> won't worry, but right now...

...you're feeling like an imposter :)

> I do! But face it, if we all wanted to rely on our imaginations alone, we
> wouldn't have bought Shadowrun, or be talking with other
> people....Communication breeds ideas.

I'm not saying you should rely on nothing but your own imagination.
However, adding something you created yourself is more satisfying than
only using stuff others thought up.

> >AFAIK he does -- something I wrote (the suburban brawl thing, for those
> >who've been around for some time) got turned down because Mike thought it
> >was too far removed from what's possible in SR.
>
> Interesting.

I've been meaning to re-write it into an adventure or something for about
a year now, but nothing has happened yet...

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Message no. 11
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:36:40 -0500
>> When I can publish things to my content now?
>But do you get any money for it? :)

ah, well....no.

>> Once my site gets large enough that I don't feel like an imposter, I
>> won't worry, but right now...
>...you're feeling like an imposter :)

Thanks.

>I'm not saying you should rely on nothing but your own imagination.
>However, adding something you created yourself is more satisfying than
>only using stuff others thought up.

Right. I'm saying I use A lot of my own stuff...I'd just like to see things
from other people as well.

I listed a few glass cutters on my page (penci style, compass style, and
microsaw) and someone told me they thought they were way too weak....he said
by 2057 we'll know all about getting through glass easily.

I disagree. Unless this guy wants a welding torch or a MP III, I say that
the industry has been satisfied with it's ability to get through glass, and
thus little growth. What do all of you say?

-=SwiftOne=-
(BTW, I'll get some welding torchs up soon.:))
Message no. 12
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:17:58 +1100
> microsaw) and someone told me they thought they were way too weak....he said
> by 2057 we'll know all about getting through glass easily.
>
> I disagree. Unless this guy wants a welding torch or a MP III, I say that
> the industry has been satisfied with it's ability to get through glass, and
> thus little growth. What do all of you say?

To be quite honest, no offense intended; we thought the glass cutters
were too powerful - like the minisaw having that much power? We toned
them *down* quite substantially.


Lady Jestyr

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A titanic intellect in a world full of icebergs
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Elle Holmes jestyr@*******.dialix.com.au
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1503/
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Remember, no matter what they say, you can
never have enough sugar. - Michael
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Message no. 13
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 23:10:33 -0500
>> I disagree. Unless this guy wants a welding torch or a MP III, I say that
>> the industry has been satisfied with it's ability to get through glass, and
>> thus little growth. What do all of you say?
>
>To be quite honest, no offense intended; we thought the glass cutters
>were too powerful - like the minisaw having that much power? We toned
>them *down* quite substantially.

No offense...I'm getting a balance of opinions. You really thought the
microsaw was too powerful? Why? It can cut through bulletproof glass, but
that's not unreasonable....it's based on how such material works. Plus,
your cutting is slow, and the power pack won't last long enough to cut a
huge whole.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 14
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Out of print Stuff and Magic
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:10:17 +0100
On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:36:40 -0500, Brett Borger wrote:

<snip comments on new equipment>
>I disagree. Unless this guy wants a welding torch or a MP III, I say that
>the industry has been satisfied with it's ability to get through glass, and
>thus little growth. What do all of you say?

That statement sounds reasonable. Only think of screwdrivers: There are
grat electric things, but the old-fashioned screwdriver is still very
common. Why? Because it's just what you need, quite failsafe, cheap,
and everyone knows how to use it. So why buy or develop something new?



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