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Message no. 1
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Ozziland
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 22:04:56 -0500
Someone brought up the notion that Aborigines would have become the upper
class in Australia. I agree that they would have become the dominant
culture, the same way the NAN did in North America and due to similar
circumstances. However, I doubt that the Aborigines would have become
materialistic enough to covet the white man's wealth. Like their American
counterparts, they would reclaim the land but continue to use it with
traditional respect mixed with modern techniques. They would be rich in the
sense of controlling the land, but I don't see tribal elder riding around in
Mitsubishi Nightskys.

J Roberson
Message no. 2
From: CABANC PLEASE I WOULD LIKE A COPY CANDI CABANISS
Subject: Re: Ozziland
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 12:07:16 CDT
On the development of the aborigines of Australia becoming
dominant, just one point of order. A recent PBS special on Dreamtime
stated that one problem is that there are only a handful of shaman's
left who still practice the old ways. Also the popluation itself is
dwindling.

Candi Cabaniss
Western Kentucky University
CABANC@******.bitnet
Message no. 3
From: Mike Goldberg <M_GOLDBERG@******.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ozziland
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 11:54:00 -0600
Candi says:
> On the development of the aborigines of Australia becoming
>dominant, just one point of order. A recent PBS special on Dreamtime
>stated that one problem is that there are only a handful of shaman's
>left who still practice the old ways. Also the popluation itself is
>dwindling.

But you have to consider that cultures like the Shaman's and
aborigines became more populus, since the re-emergance of magic. This was/is
definitly the case for Shamans in Native American tribes, and I would think
that it would also be the case for aborigines.

Mike Goldberg
Colorado College
M_Goldberg@******.Colorade.EDU
Message no. 4
From: Christopher Bellovary <bellovar@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ozziland
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 13:07:27 CDT
> On the development of the aborigines of Australia becoming
> dominant, just one point of order. A recent PBS special on Dreamtime
> stated that one problem is that there are only a handful of shaman's
> left who still practice the old ways. Also the popluation itself is
> dwindling.

Couldn't this also be applied to the full-blooded Native American
population? Yet they have a good hunk of North America, which I imagine
is a far larger displacement of people than Australia if the easter seaboard
is still Federalist.

Chris Bellovary
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Message no. 5
From: Chris Ryan <chrisr@*******.FIT.QUT.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Ozziland
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 10:19:21 EST
> > On the development of the aborigines of Australia becoming
> > dominant, just one point of order. A recent PBS special on Dreamtime
> > stated that one problem is that there are only a handful of shaman's
> > left who still practice the old ways. Also the popluation itself is
> > dwindling.

(Under current conditions...)

> Couldn't this also be applied to the full-blooded Native American
> population? Yet they have a good hunk of North America, which I imagine
> is a far larger displacement of people than Australia if the easter seaboard
> is still Federalist.

This is what I would imagine to happen as well. There would be probably a larger
area of land involved for the Aborigines, however since the land is sparsely
populated, there would definitely be less people displaced.

Currently the US population is about 15 times that of Australia. Unless that
changes radically, displacement would not be major problem logistically. Of course
people are often reluctant to give up their homes, so conflict can ensue here.

Chris
Message no. 6
From: Matthew Ledgerwood <ledgermw@****.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Ozziland
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 12:45:10 NZS
I side with Mike in saying that if the native Americans can come back into power
so can the Aboriginies. True, there are a lot less Aboriginies following their
old culture than NAs but looking at the population of Nas in the US today and
land they hold in 2050, I think that the Aboriginies would be able to take over
the outback of Oz again.

Cheers,
Matthew.

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