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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: PA/Decker
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:40:01 -0600
tom Cone wrote:
|
| >I have a weapon foci!(my playstation joypad!!)
|
| Images of decker/physads... tasty...

Yikes! Aside from the fact that making a "magic" deck would be nigh
impossible, a PA/Decker with extra dice would be scary.

Quick, someone that has some time crunch the numbers and post a
PA/Decker to the list :)

-David
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Message no. 2
From: Brett Borger <SwiftOne@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:08:14 -0400
>Yikes! Aside from the fact that making a "magic" deck would be nigh
>impossible, a PA/Decker with extra dice would be scary.

This is an interesting thought.....Using spells to up the performance of a
Deck?

(I know you can't fiddle programs, but the raw physics involved you can play
with....)

-=SwiftOne=-
(Glad he doesn't have any deckers)
Message no. 3
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:21:02 -1000
>I know you can't fiddle with the programs...
And why not? or at least, why would it be impossible to develop a "Boost
Hardening" spell?

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
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Message no. 4
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:25:19 -1000
>Someone with the time...
I don't have the time, and magic can't effect reaction directly in the
matrix...but You could boost quickness...

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 5
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:17:45 EDT
On Mon, 12 May 1997 11:21:02 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>I know you can't fiddle with the programs...
>And why not? or at least, why would it be impossible to develop a "Boost
>Hardening" spell?

You probably could, but I don't think it'd be worth it. Not by the time
you consider what the spell has to do and how it would do it. It'd be
better to allow a magician to cast spells in the matrix while decking
with a program carrier. Not that I'd advise that, either.


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-Canthros
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Message no. 6
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:17:46 EDT
On Mon, 12 May 1997 11:25:19 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>Someone with the time...
>I don't have the time, and magic can't effect reaction directly in the
>matrix...but You could boost quickness...

But that wouldn't affect the Matrix, because it increases his
_Quickness_, not his Evasion. The honest truth is that magical characters
don't mix very well with technologically-oriented characters. A
Burned-out Mage could be a combat god, but a mage/decker? Not the best
use of a character:)

--
-Canthros
And ye shall know the truth, and lobo1@****.com
the truth shall set you free. canthros1@***.com
--John 8:32, KJV
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Message no. 7
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 03:17:51 -1000
>>You could boost Quickness

> but that wouldn't effect the matrix.

Indirectly. Wouldn't boosting quckness boost reaction? Correct me if I'm
wrong on this. I realize that magic and technology don't mix well
currently, but look at the Otaku and tell me that those things are
natural. I'm pretty sure they come about due to the rise of magic.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 8
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 03:20:35 -1000
And how different is the matrix from astral projecting anyway? (not in
response to anything)

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 9
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 03:22:05 -1000
>be better to allow a magician to cast spells...
>while decking with a program carrier.
Maybe a hitcher jack? Hmmm...

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 10
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:22:05 EDT
On Wed, 14 May 1997 03:17:51 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>>You could boost Quickness
>> but that wouldn't effect the matrix.
>
>Indirectly. Wouldn't boosting quckness boost reaction? Correct me if I'm
>wrong on this.

Technically, you are correct. When you boost quickness, your reaction
goes up... however quickenss is PHYSICAL quickness. Not the MENTAL kind
needed in the matrix. It's almost analogous to thinking that adding
dermal armor would increase your Bod rating. In short, just 'cause your
arms and legs move faster (via magic or cyber) in RL, doesn't mean it has
much effect on the matrix.

~Tim
Message no. 11
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:22:05 EDT
On Wed, 14 May 1997 03:22:05 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>be better to allow a magician to cast spells...while decking with a
program carrier.
>Maybe a hitcher jack? Hmmm...

Sure, and next you'll be letting the mage toss spells through his trideo
set....

~Tim
Message no. 12
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:24:01 -1000
>That's physical quickness, not the mental >quickness needed in the
matrix.
Depends on whether you're hot, cold, or tortoise, doesn't it?

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 13
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:26:39 -1000
>Physical quickness, not Mental needed in the >Matrix.
Did a double take of this statement. Hmmm..then why isn't reaction in
the matrix your intelligence rating? Or an avg of Intelligence and
Willpower? Physical Quickness figures into it somehow...maybe you still
need to stroke a key every now and again.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 14
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:27:39 -1000
>Technically you are correct.
I know.

Disgusting, isn't it?

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:49:25 +0100
|
|And how different is the matrix from astral projecting anyway? (not in
|response to anything)

VERY different.
The decker in the matrix runs programs.
If the decker wants to go somewhere, he sets parameters and destination...
(It might APPEAR to be only "think it, do it for simple tasks, but he's got
to program and modify quickly, which requires a lot of thought)

The mage in the astral acts and moves by will alone....
When he cast spells, he does exactly what he would've done if he was still
physical....
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Message no. 16
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:55:23 -1000
>>Astral and Matrix diff.
>Very Different (goes on to tell how actions are >carried out in either
medium)
Alright, granted, but both the decker and the mage transfer their
thinking to a different "reality" Programs are to deckers what spells
are to a mage (Att-D or Fireball?) I'm looking at perception really.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 17
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:11:05 EDT
On Wed, 14 May 1997 03:17:51 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>>You could boost Quickness
>
>> but that wouldn't effect the matrix.
>
>Indirectly. Wouldn't boosting quckness boost reaction? Correct me if
>I'm
>wrong on this. I realize that magic and technology don't mix well
>currently, but look at the Otaku and tell me that those things are
>natural. I'm pretty sure they come about due to the rise of magic.

I think that VR2.0 stated that Magical boosts to an Otaku's Attributes
don't apply in the Matrix.

--
-Canthros
And ye shall know the truth, and lobo1@****.com
the truth shall set you free. canthros1@***.com
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Message no. 18
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:11:05 EDT
On Wed, 14 May 1997 03:22:05 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>be better to allow a magician to cast spells...
>>while decking with a program carrier.
>Maybe a hitcher jack? Hmmm...

Probably not, because the (standard) hitcher jack only allows the
character to 'tag along' on the matrix run, but without being able to
take part in any of it. A visual feed, with the capability of
communication (maybe) with the decker, but no actual power to do anything
in the Matrix itself.

--
-Canthros
And ye shall know the truth, and lobo1@****.com
the truth shall set you free. canthros1@***.com
--John 8:32, KJV
http://members.aol.com/canthros1/
Message no. 19
From: Dale Talbert <LuvsAmanda@***.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 02:26:55 -0400
In a message dated 97-05-15 01:29:18 EDT, lobo1@****.COM (L Canthros) writes:

<< I think that VR2.0 stated that Magical boosts to an Otaku's Attributes
don't apply in the Matrix. >>

pg. 145 of VR 2.0 states: "For reasons yet unknown, magical enhancements do
not effect the living persona. They affect only the otaku's actions in the
physical world."
Message no. 20
From: "Boyd Stephen Smith, Jr." <gilmeth@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:14:11 -0500
From: L Canthros [SMTP:lobo1@****.COM]
Subject: Re: PA/Decker

On Wed, 14 May 1997 03:17:51 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> =
writes:

I think that VR2.0 stated that Magical boosts to an Otaku's Attributes
don't apply in the Matrix.

Yes, that is true, it doesn't apply to _otaku_; however,
It does apply to normal deckers. Any boosts to reaction
(not initiative) or intelligence would aid in matrix runs.

Intelligence boosts the hacking pool

As for that "boost hardening" spell someone mentioned.
Don't allow it!!! Or a least put it's target number at like ...
14+ ... Hardening is based manly on the program not
necessarily the circuitry. Now, I could understand some
sort of spell that would be very specific. It would affect
the decker and allow them to program better or increase
their skill or some other stuff.

Geez, I'm just rambling aren't I. I'm not really awake here.
Sorry.


Twinkie
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Message no. 21
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:43:55 -1000
>Magical boosts to an Otaku's attributes don't >apply in the matrix
I think you missed what I was saying. I was implying that the Otaku are
kinda like submetatypes or something.. Saying that the mana levels are
sufficient for the otaku to surface. Heck, maybe it's something else
that's magically altering them, but I seriously doubt the cause of their
existence is strictly technological.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 22
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:58:53 EDT
On Wed, 14 May 1997 06:24:01 -1000 tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET> writes:
>>That's physical quickness, not the mental >quickness needed in the
matrix.

>Depends on whether you're hot, cold, or tortoise, doesn't it?

Well, OK... I guess something like move-by-wire would be an asset if all
you were using was a mouse and keyboard....(remembers watching someone
play DOOM with a mouse and laughing at how furiously the guy was whiping
that mouse around just trying to go down the corridor.)
:) :)

~Tim (and why pray tell did you take 3 posts to respond to 2 lines of my
message?)
Message no. 23
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:39:51 -1000
>Intelligence boosts hacking pool.

Not according to VR2.0, which has MPCP and computer skill as being the
prime things for hacking pool.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
>Visit Dot's Deck Technologies! Just north of the Sea-TAC!
Message no. 24
From: mike.paff@*****.COM
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:48:21 -0700
> >Intelligence boosts hacking pool.
>
> Not according to VR2.0, which has MPCP and computer skill as being the
> prime things for hacking pool.
>
Hmmm...You must have a different printing of VR2 than me. My copy states
that hacking pool = (MPCP + Int)/3.

Mike
Message no. 25
From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 21:09:16 -0500
On Mon, 12 May 1997, Brett Borger wrote:

> >Yikes! Aside from the fact that making a "magic" deck would be nigh
> >impossible, a PA/Decker with extra dice would be scary.
>
> This is an interesting thought.....Using spells to up the performance of a
> Deck?
>
> (I know you can't fiddle programs, but the raw physics involved you can play
> with....)
>
> -=SwiftOne=-
> (Glad he doesn't have any deckers)
>
I missed the orrigonal post.. but are you talking about using PA points to
buy extra dice for Computer skill? If you are I have to say I playtested a
version of this and must say that even with the less money it is still too
powerfull!! exspecally with VR2.0... you can start with a computer skill
of 14!!! hell even with a tandy deck you can really kick some IC!!!!

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Message no. 26
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 16:51:19 -1000
>Are you talking about using PA points to add >to computer skill?
First, make computer skill a 1.5 cost per point
Second, any magical enhancement of the skill isn't gonns change the max
rating of your program. That oughta fix game balance problems.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
"Black IC!! You eeediot!! You bloated code!!
You sick little program!! I will DELETE YOU!!!!"
Message no. 27
From: "Boyd Stephen Smith, Jr." <gilmeth@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:43:59 -0500
From: tom Cone [SMTP:Brother-1@*****.NET]
Subject: Re: PA/Decker

| Not according to VR2.0, which has MPCP and computer skill as being the
| prime things for hacking pool.

IIRC, The formula was (MPCP + Intelligence)/3.
That was VR 2.0 hacking pool.

BBB said (Reaction+(Computer/Software/Decking)skill).


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Message no. 28
From: tom Cone <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: PA/Decker
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:43:53 -1000
>Hacking Pool = (MPCP + Int)/3
Thought I'dresponded to this. I'm not infallible. That formula is the
correct one.There's some task pool bonus too, I think. Either way. My
Int and Computer skill are the same right now. Except when I'm cold,
then I boost my Comp skill by one. Doesn't change the hacking pool any.

Brother-1. Decker for hire.
"Black IC!! You eeediot!! You bloated code!!
You sick little program!! I will DELETE YOU!!!!"

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