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Message no. 1
From: JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES <burwell@******.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:50:04 -0700
This talk about extinct animals made me look up something, and in
the T.T. guide it says that extinct anmals have returned in the forests
of Oregon. However, it does not say what animals have returned. Of course
it is always up to the GM.

Silver
Message no. 2
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 03:00:06 -0400
On Tue, 3 May 1994, JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES wrote:

> This talk about extinct animals made me look up something, and in
> the T.T. guide it says that extinct anmals have returned in the forests
> of Oregon. However, it does not say what animals have returned. Of course
> it is always up to the GM.

Another point to think about is that many animals are likely to
become (have become?) extinct between 1994 and The Awakening. Has anybody
come up with a list, by any chance? (I don't mean a modern Enviromental
group, but a Shadowrun list.)
Message no. 3
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 02:13:44 -0500
On Wed, 4 May 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> Another point to think about is that many animals are likely to
> become (have become?) extinct between 1994 and The Awakening. Has anybody
> come up with a list, by any chance? (I don't mean a modern Enviromental
> group, but a Shadowrun list.)

Uh, considering that several hundred animals go extinct every day (most
of them insects), a list would be impossible to compile. It's the big
ones that get all the press coverage.

We can assume that the Florida Panther will be gone (only 40 or so left),
probably the Cal. Condor. Maybe the wild tiger. Probably a couple
species of the whale (although the smaller ones still do ok, such as the
Orca).

The two animals we know won't be gone, of course, are the lawyer and the
politician.

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS... - Reply
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 10:19:25 +0200
> Another point to think about is that many animals are likely to
>become (have become?) extinct between 1994 and The Awakening. Has
>anybody come up with a list, by any chance? (I don't mean a modern
>Enviromental group, but a Shadowrun list.)

Well, the gorilla and the ostrich are extinct as far as I know. Don't
know about other animals, though.



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Message no. 5
From: Joseph Cotton <Joseph.Cotton@*******.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 08:53:20 EDT
On Wed 4 May 1994, Gurth wrote:

> Well, the gorilla and the ostrich are extinct [in 2054] as far as I know.
> Don't know about other animals, though.
>

Considering that ostrich herding (as a food animal) is such a growth
industry right now, I find that one hard to believe. Maybe wild ostrich,
though.

Joe Cotton
Joseph.Cotton@*******.oit.unc.edu
Message no. 6
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 09:50:09 -0700
>We can assume that the Florida Panther will be gone (only 40 or so left),
>probably the Cal. Condor. Maybe the wild tiger. Probably a couple
>species of the whale (although the smaller ones still do ok, such as the
>Orca).

oh ps - the Florida Panther is making somewhat of a comeback, there are more
of them out there - but they are still a very endangered geographical
sub-species.

Nightfox
wants to visist the Arizona Desert Museum again this summer to see the mountain
lions there (and the humming birds)
Message no. 7
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 09:31:07 -0700
>We can assume that the Florida Panther will be gone (only 40 or so left),
>probably the Cal. Condor. Maybe the wild tiger. Probably a couple
>species of the whale (although the smaller ones still do ok, such as the
>Orca).

Well the Panther part is one of FASA's BIG mistakes (IMHO). As I have stated
before the panther, cougar, mountain lion and puma are ALL the same animal.
In PNA it states that the Saber-Tooth cat is the awaked form of the cougar or
mountain lion. In Tir Tairngire it states that the Panther went extinct in 2009
two years before the awakening and the coming of the saber-tooth cat.

Also - since the saber-tooth cat comes from the mountain lion - I would raise
the reaction to 5 or 6 and initiative to 3d6 - the mountain lion is a
VERY fast animals (especially reacting to things). They are known to take out
Jaguars (who can be up to twice their size) because they are so quick.

Yes - I do know that I have stated this before - but hey - Its one of my pet
peeves. Atleast they gave the sbaer-tooth cat round pupils and not slits.

Oh - and yes - the mountain lion etc (felis concolour) is the largest north
American cat - it also has the largest range of all north american pedators (it
takes up a big territory as its own) and of the the big cats it takes on animals
the most out of proportion to its size. A tiger will take on somthing 2 (maybe
three if it is a small tiger) times its size by it self. The mountain lion
will kill animals 3-4 times its size - this is why many Nativa American tribes
respect it so much - it is one of the earths besty predators (and FASA
definately hasn't done it justice)


>The two animals we know won't be gone, of course, are the lawyer and the
>politician.
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Message no. 8
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS... - Reply
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 14:58:48 -0400
On Wed, 4 May 1994, Gurth wrote:
> Well, the gorilla and the ostrich are extinct as far as I know. Don't
> know about other animals, though.

The Ostrich shouldn't be extinct..Perhaps in the wild..The O-bird has
been reared as a farm animal for some time now and is one of the use
everything but the *noise made by an ostrich* animals..And they are
supposed to be Very profitable...
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Message no. 9
From: jacob hawkins <HAWKINSJ@********.WA.COM>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 00:19:14 +0200
oh ps - the Florida Panther is making somewhat of a comeback,

"I'm feeling much better!"



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Message no. 10
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 18:58:12 -0500
On Thu, 5 May 1994, jacob hawkins wrote:

> oh ps - the Florida Panther is making somewhat of a comeback,

Yes, but in the next 60 years, we can expect a lot of people to get
tiresd of spending countless millions to save a few remaining cats. And
even though the Florida Panther is making a comback, if we don't continue
to help it, it's gone. I doubt with UGE and all that crap, that a few
cats are high on the list.

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Message no. 11
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:18:10 +1000
Robert A. Hayden and jacob hawkins wrote:

jacob> oh ps - the Florida Panther is making somewhat of a comeback,

robert> Yes, but in the next 60 years, we can expect a lot of people to get
robert> tiresd of spending countless millions to save a few remaining cats.

There's no drama in that. Let's propose that instead, in 1998, Joseph
Hawkins, a worker for the the State Environmental Protection Agency and
staunch animal rights activist [:-)], released into the wilds six of the
Florida Panthers under his care. Sacked from his job, he devoted the rest
of his life to protecting his former charges [... etc. etc.].

His dramatic actions bore fruit. Today, in 2054, the estimated
population of these magnificent animals is around 800.

[You could spice it up further with an unexplained upsurge in the
intelligence of these creatures, estimated to have happened around
2013. So that today, the animals now are suspected of actively

hunting human hunters in the wild.]

luke
Message no. 12
From: jacob hawkins <HAWKINSJ@********.WA.COM>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 18:04:21 +0200
Actually, for one campaign I was running, I sent a run team after the
characters. One of the members of the opposing team was a panther
with orthoskin, muscle replacement, dikote replaced teeth and claws,
wired 'flexes, and an encephalon and whatever the other brain booster
was to jack up its INT. Boy, did they hate that.


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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS... - Reply
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:48:37 +0200
>Considering that ostrich herding (as a food animal) is such a growth
>industry right now, I find that one hard to believe. Maybe wild
>ostrich, though.

Well, in one of the sourcebooks (I don't remember which one right now,
and I don't really feel like reading through about 10 to find it), I
believe a few folks are talking about ignorance or something. One of them
makes a comment about "sticking your head in the sand, like an ostrich.
But ostriches are extinct now." Or at least something close to that.



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Message no. 14
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS...
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:04:14 -0700
>There's no drama in that. Let's propose that instead, in 1998, Joseph
>Hawkins, a worker for the the State Environmental Protection Agency and
>staunch animal rights activist [:-)], released into the wilds six of the
>Florida Panthers under his care. Sacked from his job, he devoted the rest
>of his life to protecting his former charges [... etc. etc.].

6 is a large enough breading population to set loose in the wild.

The two major causes of extinction for the panther are shrinking everglades and
fast moving vehicles on roads that go through the areas they habitat. To remedy
this they are biulding panther tunnnels under the roads. seriously :)

>His dramatic actions bore fruit. Today, in 2054, the estimated
>population of these magnificent animals is around 800.
>
>[You could spice it up further with an unexplained upsurge in the
> intelligence of these creatures, estimated to have happened around
> 2013. So that today, the animals now are suspected of actively
>
> hunting human hunters in the wild.]

Actually I am working on this - it will a submission for NERPS: SHADOWLORE II
(yes I am finally getting Rob's hints)


Nightfox
Message no. 15
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: pARANORMAL aNIMALS... - Reply
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 10:58:42 -0400
On Thu, 5 May 1994, Gurth wrote:

> But ostriches are extinct now." Or at least something close to that.
>
Sez who?? Why would an animal that is being raised as a farm animal go
extinct???
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Message no. 16
From: Brendan Felstead <bfelstead@*******.COM>
Subject: Paranormal Animals
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:02:25 PST
In the back of Paranormal Animals of Europe it details animals that can
be found in the Paranormal Animals of North America. Is this book for
1st Ed SR, cause I can't find it in any of the local gaming stores or
mail-order catalogues and I was wondering if it's still in print because
some of the animals sound cool.

Brendan


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Message no. 17
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Paranormal Animals
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:34:53 -0500
Brendan Felstead[SMTP:bfelstead@*******.COM] wrote:
> In the back of Paranormal Animals of Europe it details animals that can
> be found in the Paranormal Animals of North America. Is this book for
> 1st Ed SR, cause I can't find it in any of the local gaming stores or
> mail-order catalogues and I was wondering if it's still in print because
> some of the animals sound cool.

Out of print. It was published in the SRI days, and does, in fact, have
some cool stuff in it. OTOH, many of the critters can be visualized from
their name, and you do have the stats.....

(If the name doesn't ring a bell, it probably isn't used as a sec-animal
anyway....)

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Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Paranormal Animals
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:30:18 +0100
Brendan Felstead said on 22:02/ 1 Dec 97...

> In the back of Paranormal Animals of Europe it details animals that can
> be found in the Paranormal Animals of North America. Is this book for
> 1st Ed SR, cause I can't find it in any of the local gaming stores or
> mail-order catalogues and I was wondering if it's still in print because
> some of the animals sound cool.

It was published before SRII came out, but only minor stats need to be
changed to make it 2nd edition-compatible (explained in the back of SRII).
However, it's been out of print for some time now, so it might be hard to
find, yes.

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Message no. 19
From: Wiebke & Birger Timm <WiebkeT@********.DE>
Subject: paranormal animals
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:21:42 +0200
What do you think of paranormal animals in shadowrun, at do not
appear in PAoNa or PAoE? I'm thinking of animals which aren't
dangerous put simply use paranormal abilities. For example flies
defending themselves from beein eaten by using electrecal charge
(just an example...). To what degree can I use those critters
without being laughable?

Blix
Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: paranormal animals
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:29:59 +0100
Wiebke & Birger Timm said on 19:21/10 Jul 98,...

> What do you think of paranormal animals in shadowrun, at do not
> appear in PAoNa or PAoE? I'm thinking of animals which aren't
> dangerous put simply use paranormal abilities. For example flies
> defending themselves from beein eaten by using electrecal charge
> (just an example...). To what degree can I use those critters
> without being laughable?

I'd say that depends on what you and your players think is
believable. If they have no problem with mice the size of
elephants and having all kinds of paranormal powers, you can go
for it (I wouldn't use these myself, but hey, my game isn't your
game :)

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Message no. 21
From: Ulrich Haupt <sandman@****.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: paranormal animals
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:11:22 +0000
Wiebke & Birger Timm wrote:
>
> What do you think of paranormal animals in shadowrun, at do not
> appear in PAoNa or PAoE? I'm thinking of animals which aren't
> dangerous put simply use paranormal abilities. For example flies
> defending themselves from beein eaten by using electrecal charge
> (just an example...). To what degree can I use those critters
> without being laughable?

I think they would be funny but only if they don't appear too often.
Electrical flies are quite interesting, but if you
can't step into the woods without meeting paranormal animals
it's (IMHO) a bit "overloaded" (directly translated from German
into English).

One human in hundred has magic abilities and only a tenth of
those are fully magicians. I think it should not be very different in the SR fauna.

If creating new animals you should consider their chances of surviving
(glowing insects with no defensive abilities will be eaten up in a few years)
and gaming balance. Giant amoebas (3 Meter / 10 feet) which double every 4
hours will flood the continent!

If you have good ideas, I will be happy to see them

BTW, have a look at P. Anthony's Xanth Saga for some ideas.


Sandman
Message no. 22
From: Wiebke & Birger Timm <WiebkeT@********.DE>
Subject: Re: paranormal animals
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:09:36 +0200
Ulrich Haupt wrote:

> If creating new animals you should consider their chances of surviving
> (glowing insects with no defensive abilities will be eaten up in a few years)
> and gaming balance. Giant amoebas (3 Meter / 10 feet) which double every 4
> hours will flood the continent!

I didn't think of using animals that are especially big or strong but which
are simply
paranormal. Why should only dangerous animals develop? There could also be harmless
ones that are only different from the normal species.
I could think of many paranormal species...but you're right, using them too often
would lessen the fun. But it could be really funny if sometimes (very seldom) strange
animals would appear.

Some possible species:

The elecrical flies, which I already mentioned

Frogs with cold aura (so insects would drop in front of them if they come near it...)

Birds which defend themselves with their shriek (what's this ability called again?)

Flying (REALLY flying) fish!

At the moment I'm really not very productive...can't think of other animals at the
moment...

And if there are immortal dragons or elves, maybe there are also immortal ladybugs,
only no one never notices...;-)

Blix
Message no. 23
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: paranormal animals
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:12:40 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-14 17:19:04 EDT, you write:

> And if there are immortal dragons or elves, maybe there are also immortal
> ladybugs,
> only no one never notices...;-)

Ha-ha-ha... I can just picture their plot to shit on people's bumpers...

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