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Message no. 1
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Payment Scales
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:17:41 -0700
What do most of you GM's out there use for a typical payment scale for a
run? (I use a 30 to 50k range personally)

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Message no. 2
From: Kelson kelson13@***********.com
Subject: Payment Scales
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:35:29 -0800
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:17:41 Hunter wrote:

> What do most of you GM's out there use for a typical payment scale for a
>run? (I use a 30 to 50k range personally)

Well, you're probably going to get a lot of this, but here goes: it depends.

What type of a run is it? How badly does the fixer or Johnson need this done RIGHT NOW?
Does he/she have other assets that will do it for less? (This is good to know for
negotiation reasons.) Is this a rush job? Does he/she want to buy some trust from the
runners?

Don't think of it in terms of "how much do I want to pay them". Rather, try
"how much does the Johnson want to pay them based upon the circumstances".

Given that, my payment varies widely. My first (introductory) run for a group of players
is quite small (it generally breaks down to a couple thousand NY per runner). This is
because the first run is designed to be easy -- well, easy isn't the correct word. Low
risk might be a better term. Runners have to get good with practice (if they don't get
dead first). Once they're good, they're raking in the bucks (not that it ever gets easy,
however). Too much money too fast takes the necessity of fundage out of the equation --
IMO, not a good thing.

Justin


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Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Payment Scales
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:03:35 -0600 (MDT)
Kelson wrote:
/
/ On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:17:41 Hunter wrote:
/
/ > What do most of you GM's out there use for a typical payment scale for a
/ >run? (I use a 30 to 50k range personally)
/
/ Well, you're probably going to get a lot of this, but here goes: it depends.
/
/ What type of a run is it? How badly does the fixer or Johnson need
/ this done RIGHT NOW? Does he/she have other assets that will do it for
/ less? (This is good to know for negotiation reasons.) Is this a rush
/ job? Does he/she want to buy some trust from/ the runners?

/ Don't think of it in terms of "how much do I want to pay them".
/ Rather, try "how much does the Johnson want to pay them based upon the
/ circumstances".

And another good question to answer is "how much can/is the Johnson
willing to pay?"

If Pops wants to hire the runners to take care of the gang that's
charging him protection money it might be a Y50,000 job (assuming the
gang is very tough). But Pops might only be able to spare Y3,000 (his
store is in the barrens and he doesn't make much profit).

Just something to consider.

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Message no. 4
From: GMPax@***.com GMPax@***.com
Subject: Payment Scales
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:54:27 EDT
In a message dated 4/7/99 1:36:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kelson13@***********.com writes:

> Well, you're probably going to get a lot of this, but here goes: it
depends.

Yup. On a LOT of factors.

>
> What type of a run is it? How badly does the fixer or Johnson need this
> done RIGHT NOW? Does he/she have other assets that will do it for less? (
> This is good to know for negotiation reasons.) Is this a rush job? Does
he/
> she want to buy some trust from the runners?

And, how badly does the Johnson/Fixer need to make the Runners happy with
their pay, to the point of having less motivation to double-deal on them?

IOW, how much "anti-bribe" insurance is the employer willing to build into
the stated fee, to avoid future "problems" arising ... ?

>
> Don't think of it in terms of "how much do I want to pay them". Rather,
try
> "how much does the Johnson want to pay them based upon the circumstances".
>

Yes, apply the law of Supply and Demand: the more runners there are in an
area, the lower overall prices will be. The more RUNS there are in an area,
the HIGHER prices will be, since those runners will be in higher demand
(employers would then have to compete for the attention ofthe runners).

> Given that, my payment varies widely. My first (introductory) run for a
> group of players is quite small (it generally breaks down to a couple
> thousand NY per runner).

Wow, that's a lot (to me). My first run for players/runners tends to pay 500
to 1,000 nuyen; roughly one month's pay at most, for the group (I discourage
even Middle lifestyles for starting characters). Fromt here, it rises 10% to
20% per run, presuming the same fixer (I also give one free Fixer contac to
the whole group, makes getting the group underway inthe early stages of the
campaign easier, IMO).

> This is because the first run is designed to be
> easy -- well, easy isn't the correct word. Low risk might be a better term.

Sometimes even outright, intentionally easy: it gives the potential repeat
employer (and the GM, incidentally ;-) a chance to evaluate the overall
"style" of the group: silent and stealthy, or "if it moves, blow it to
kingdom come" ... ? Therefor, it's often a set-up run, a test of how the
runners deal with the situations they run into.

> Runners have to get good with practice (if they don't get dead first).
Once
> they're good, they're raking in the bucks (not that it ever gets easy,
> however). Too much money too fast takes the necessity of fundage out of
the
> equation -- IMO, not a good thing.
>
> Justin

IMO, a BAD thing. Make them NEED a run every month or two, or they no longer
HAVE to ... else they get cyberwear, etc, up the Yin, and the power level of
the game leapfrogs WAY ahead of their skills/karma.

Sean
GM Pax
Message no. 5
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: Payment Scales
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:28:18 -0400
At 01:35 PM 4/7/99 , Kelson wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:17:41 Hunter wrote:
>
>> What do most of you GM's out there use for a typical payment scale for a
>>run? (I use a 30 to 50k range personally)
>
>Well, you're probably going to get a lot of this, but here goes: it depends.
>
>What type of a run is it? How badly does the fixer or Johnson need this
>done RIGHT NOW? Does he/she have other assets that will do it for less?
>(This is good to know for negotiation reasons.) Is this a rush job? Does
>he/she want to buy some trust from the runners?

If you get the new Companion, it has some suggested prices listed for the
various types of jobs. HOw much should each runner get for a B&E, Wetwork,
Sabotage, etc. Seems like a good place to start. I've been trying to figure
out someway to make that the base pay and tie increases in a loose way to
the runners rep (Total Karma). Then add is stuff for difficulty of job.

But the best answer is probably "how much to they need to be paid to feel a
little satisfied but still hungry?"

Sommers
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Message no. 6
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject: Payment Scales
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:34:41 +0200
> Hunter [SMTP:griffinhq@****.com] wrote:
>
> What do most of you GM's out there use for a typical
payment scale for a
>run? (I use a 30 to 50k range personally)
>

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Most of my runs will get the players between 5K and 15K each.
One of the things you also have to consider is how much runs the players
are offered by Mr. J's and fixers. I keep a strict timeline of all my
groups and try to offer them about 2 or 3 runs a month, giving them a
months' pay of 15K to 45K (keep in mind that all groups are still
freshmen and aren't up to the big stuff yet).
I have 1 group that is always complaining that they the pay is
to small for the job and sometimes they demand unreasonable amounts
thinking their major league already, one time they even threatened Mr. J
(I hoped they learned their lesson?). On times like that I usually have
Mr. J or the fixer throw the runners out and skip a few weeks (in game)
before offering a new job. Usually this always brings them in situation
of lack of money and then they have time to think it over once more.

Sven ;-)

PS: My apologies if my reply is confusing and my grammar sucks.
I am tired and I still have a 1000 things on my mind right now. I have
a hard time to concentrate and I urgently need to get my mind straight
again.

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