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Message no. 1
From: ivan.upton@****.ca (Ivan Upton)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:26:47 -0600
monday I took my copy of the sr4 pdf to a staples copy center and when
they tried to print it for me several of the pages kicked out an
error... something like "OFFENDING COMMAND: image" and then a bunch of
codes..... any idea what caused this? they were trying to print it from
a cdrw...

Aethelwulf
Message no. 2
From: raymacey@*****.com (Ray Macey)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:45:34 +1000
On 9/20/05, Ivan Upton <ivan.upton@****.ca> wrote:
> monday I took my copy of the sr4 pdf to a staples copy center and when
> they tried to print it for me several of the pages kicked out an
> error... something like "OFFENDING COMMAND: image" and then a bunch of
> codes..... any idea what caused this? they were trying to print it from
> a cdrw...

I got the same thing when I was trying to print it at work. The work
around was to print it in smaller segments. Presumably it has
something to do with the size of the file...

Oh, and for those of you who remember me, it's NightRain here, back on
the list now that I've got my mits on SR4

Ray
Message no. 3
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:53:04 +0200
According to Ray Macey, on 20-9-05 11:45 the word on the street was...

> Oh, and for those of you who remember me, it's NightRain here, back on
> the list now that I've got my mits on SR4

Hey, another long-time-no-see name :) (FYI, Iridios posted a similar
"I'm back" message just the other day.)

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Message no. 4
From: rkedgar@*****.com (Robert Edgar)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:17:24 -0400
On 9/20/05, Ivan Upton <ivan.upton@****.ca> wrote:
> monday I took my copy of the sr4 pdf to a staples copy center and when
> they tried to print it for me several of the pages kicked out an
> error... something like "OFFENDING COMMAND: image" and then a bunch of
> codes..... any idea what caused this? they were trying to print it from
> a cdrw...
>
> Aethelwulf

Hmm, I picked my copy up from Kinkos yesterday. They didn't seem to
have any problems.
Message no. 5
From: swiftone@********.org (Brett Sanger)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:35:40 -0400
On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 11:53:04AM +0200, Gurth wrote:
> According to Ray Macey, on 20-9-05 11:45 the word on the street was...
>
> >Oh, and for those of you who remember me, it's NightRain here, back on
> >the list now that I've got my mits on SR4
>
> Hey, another long-time-no-see name :) (FYI, Iridios posted a similar
> "I'm back" message just the other day.)

*sniff* no one remembers me...

--
SwiftOne / Brett Sanger
swiftone@********.org
Message no. 6
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:19:03 -0600
On 9/20/05, Brett Sanger <swiftone@********.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 11:53:04AM +0200, Gurth wrote:
> > According to Ray Macey, on 20-9-05 11:45 the word on the street was...
> >
> > >Oh, and for those of you who remember me, it's NightRain here, back on
> > >the list now that I've got my mits on SR4
> >
> > Hey, another long-time-no-see name :) (FYI, Iridios posted a similar
> > "I'm back" message just the other day.)
>
> *sniff* no one remembers me...

Or, we're trying hard to forget ;)

--
-Graht
Message no. 7
From: kelvaris@***********.us (Jeff Haskell)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:21:22 -0800
On 9/20/05, Ivan Upton <ivan.upton@****.ca> wrote:
> monday I took my copy of the sr4 pdf to a staples copy center and when
> they tried to print it for me several of the pages kicked out an
> error... something like "OFFENDING COMMAND: image" and then a bunch of
> codes..... any idea what caused this? they were trying to print it from
> a cdrw...

I got the same thing when I was trying to print it at work. The work
around was to print it in smaller segments. Presumably it has
something to do with the size of the file...

Oh, and for those of you who remember me, it's NightRain here, back on
the list now that I've got my mits on SR4

Ray


Shadow replies,

Welcome back :)

I see this error all the time at work. Believe it or not it's a driver
issue. Printers, especially HP ones have issues with printing PDFs when the
wrong driver is loaded. I doubt you will get your local copy place to
understand/believe you though. They need to install the PCL6 or PCL5 drivers
on their computers to make it work right.

Kinkos wouldn't have a problem cause they are competent :)
Message no. 8
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:10:40 +0200
According to Brett Sanger, on 20-9-05 14:35 the word on the street was...

> *sniff* no one remembers me...

You're on enough T-shirts that we couldn't forget you if we tried ;)

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de limme
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Message no. 9
From: derek@***************.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:25:04 -0500
> Hmm, I picked my copy up from Kinkos yesterday. They didn't seem to
> have any problems.
>
That's outstanding, my local kinkos, my local office max, and another
smaller local printshop all had me walk out their doors empty handed cause
none of them could open it at all, when I tried to print it at the local
college, they couldn't get the printer to spit it out.....so I went through
5 ink cartridges printing it off myself.....only problem I ran into was that
page B (the back cover) won't print.....at all....
Message no. 10
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:58:27 +0200
From: "Derek Hyde" <derek@***************.com>
>
> That's outstanding, my local kinkos, my local office max, and another
> smaller local printshop all had me walk out their doors empty handed cause
> none of them could open it at all, when I tried to print it at the local
> college, they couldn't get the printer to spit it out.....so I went
> through
> 5 ink cartridges printing it off myself.....only problem I ran into was
> that
> page B (the back cover) won't print.....at all....

I've had probleme with the back page aswell. It turns out that page B is not
just the backpage, but a whole picture of the backpage, the spine and the
frontpage. Adobe just shows the backpage. If you click the picture, you will
notice that the marking is bigger than what is shown.

I had to copy the picture to another program, and cut of the spine and
frontpage in order to print it. The good part is that I also managed to
print a very nice spine, and since I put mine in a ringbinder with clear
plastic for the front and the spine, I do actually have something to show
off on the shelf :-)

Lars
Message no. 11
From: bullcon@*****.com (Bull)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:22:34 -0400
Heya Ray, welcome back :) (And we remember you Swift, but like Gurth said...
<chuckle> Just kidding :)).
I printed out the playtest files 3 times, two of them I had spiral bound at
Kinko's. So screw printing it out AGAIN :) I'll wait till I get my
hardcopies :)
Bull
Message no. 12
From: rkedgar@*****.com (Robert Edgar)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:59:52 -0400
On 9/20/05, Derek Hyde <derek@***************.com> wrote:
> That's outstanding, my local kinkos, my local office max, and another
> smaller local printshop all had me walk out their doors empty handed cause
> none of them could open it at all, when I tried to print it at the local
> college, they couldn't get the printer to spit it out.....so I went through
> 5 ink cartridges printing it off myself.....only problem I ran into was that
> page B (the back cover) won't print.....at all....
>
I find it hard to believe that this is a driver problem when you've
been to three different places.
Message no. 13
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:17:39 -0600
On 9/21/05, Robert Edgar <rkedgar@*****.com> wrote:
> On 9/20/05, Derek Hyde <derek@***************.com> wrote:
> > That's outstanding, my local kinkos, my local office max, and another
> > smaller local printshop all had me walk out their doors empty handed cause
> > none of them could open it at all, when I tried to print it at the local
> > college, they couldn't get the printer to spit it out.....so I went through
> > 5 ink cartridges printing it off myself.....only problem I ran into was that
> > page B (the back cover) won't print.....at all....
> >
> I find it hard to believe that this is a driver problem when you've
> been to three different places.

Considering the large number of computer users who don't update their
drivers and software, I find this very easy to believe.

--
-Graht
Message no. 14
From: tevel@******.com (Tevel Drinkwater)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:09:20 -0700
Derek Hyde <derek@***************.com> wrote:

>>Hmm, I picked my copy up from Kinkos yesterday. They didn't seem to
>>have any problems.
>>
>>
>>
>That's outstanding, my local kinkos, my local office max, and another
>smaller local printshop all had me walk out their doors empty handed cause
>none of them could open it at all, when I tried to print it at the local
>college, they couldn't get the printer to spit it out.....so I went through
>5 ink cartridges printing it off myself.....only problem I ran into was that
>page B (the back cover) won't print.....at all....
>
>
>
Printed out a copy on my sparkly new laser printer here at home. No
problems. I printed out the front and back covers out on the colour
laser printer at work (I put a couple of quarters in the office coffee
fund to counteract any negative Karma accumulation) also no problems. I
believe I have the latest revision of the pdf from Battlecorps. Hmm, I
guess I have no useful advice. I guess I'll just gloat 8-)

-Tev
Message no. 15
From: adam_carter@******.net (Adam Carter)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:37:20 -0700
>I believe I have the latest revision of the pdf from Battlecorps
Has anyone else noticed that some of the text in the revised .pdf don't
render properly? I noticed it particularly in the combat chapter, but it
looks like anything in italics prints/displays on the screen as boxes.
I noticed it on my PC, but another person with the same version of Adobe
Reader displays it just fine. It's weird.
Message no. 16
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:47:37 +0200
According to Adam Carter, on 22-9-05 06:37 the word on the street was...

> Has anyone else noticed that some of the text in the revised .pdf don't
> render properly? I noticed it particularly in the combat chapter, but it
> looks like anything in italics prints/displays on the screen as boxes.
> I noticed it on my PC, but another person with the same version of Adobe
> Reader displays it just fine. It's weird.

It looks fine to me in both Acrobat Reader 6.0.1 and Preview for OS X. I
can't find any boxes or things that look like they're not supposed to be
there, and italics also display correctly. Maybe if you update your PDF
viewer?

--
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-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
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Message no. 17
From: adam@************.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:57:36 -0600
On 22-Sep-05, at 2:47 AM, Gurth wrote:

> It looks fine to me in both Acrobat Reader 6.0.1 and Preview for OS X.
> I can't find any boxes or things that look like they're not supposed
> to be there, and italics also display correctly. Maybe if you update
> your PDF viewer?

It's a bug in the file; some strange voodoo happened when I did a
page-replacement, and page 139 [and only page 139, to the best of my
knowledge] has some text that was un-handily replaced by a bunch of
boxes. Fucking PDFs. Drive me to drinking.

It will be fixed in the next release of the eBook, which will coincide
with the second printing of Shadowrun, Fourth Edition.

cheers,
Adam
--
Adam Jury
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com
Message no. 18
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:39:28 -0700
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:57:36 -0600
Adam Jury <adam@************.com> wrote:
>
>
> It will be fixed in the next release of the eBook, which will coincide with
> the second printing of Shadowrun, Fourth Edition.

Hey Adam, how come my distributor (Alliance, Visalia) hasn't gotten any SR4,
yet?
--Anders
Message no. 19
From: derek@***************.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:35:05 -0500
> I find it hard to believe that this is a driver problem when you've
> been to three different places.

Mine wasn't a driver problem, mine was that I had the original version of it
and none of the printshops had anything above acrobat 5 or 6, nobody could
open the file at all....and at the college....they blamed it on printer
problems that they'd been having all day.....
Message no. 20
From: zebulingod@*******.net (zebulingod@*******.net)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:55:28 +0000
> "Anders Swenson" <anders@**********.com> wrote:
> "Adam Jury" <adam@************.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It will be fixed in the next release of the eBook, which will coincide with
> > the second printing of Shadowrun, Fourth Edition.
>
> Hey Adam, how come my distributor (Alliance, Visalia) hasn't gotten any SR4,
> yet?
> --Anders

Oh, see, now here I was going to ask whether we'd even see the first printing.d:

Zebulin
Message no. 21
From: rkedgar@*****.com (Robert Edgar)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:30:01 -0400
On 9/22/05, Derek Hyde <derek@***************.com> wrote:
> > I find it hard to believe that this is a driver problem when you've
> > been to three different places.
>
> Mine wasn't a driver problem, mine was that I had the original version of it
> and none of the printshops had anything above acrobat 5 or 6, nobody could
> open the file at all....and at the college....they blamed it on printer
> problems that they'd been having all day.....

I almost asked you if you'd given them the newest version but I
thought surely you'd have given them the version with the errata
update. ;) Surely.
Message no. 22
From: derek@***************.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:31:36 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com [mailto:shadowrn-
> bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Robert Edgar
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:30 PM
> To: Shadowrun Discussion
> Subject: Re: PDF printing problems
>
> On 9/22/05, Derek Hyde <derek@***************.com> wrote:
> > > I find it hard to believe that this is a driver problem when you've
> > > been to three different places.
> >
> > Mine wasn't a driver problem, mine was that I had the original version
> of it
> > and none of the printshops had anything above acrobat 5 or 6, nobody
> could
> > open the file at all....and at the college....they blamed it on printer
> > problems that they'd been having all day.....
>
> I almost asked you if you'd given them the newest version but I
> thought surely you'd have given them the version with the errata
> update. ;) Surely.

Nope, it was before the acrobat 5+ one came out ;)
Message no. 23
From: adam@************.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:23:57 -0600
On 22-Sep-05, at 9:39 AM, Anders Swenson wrote:

> Hey Adam, how come my distributor (Alliance, Visalia) hasn't gotten
> any SR4,
> yet?

The bindery decided to take their sweet sweet time with it [we'll using
a different bindery for hardcovers in the future.]

As soon as we have the "arrives at distributors" date nailed down we'll
announce it.

Adam

--
Adam Jury
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com
Message no. 24
From: tevel@******.com (Tevel Drinkwater)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:40:44 -0700
Adam Jury <adam@************.com> wrote:

> On 22-Sep-05, at 2:47 AM, Gurth wrote:
>
>> It looks fine to me in both Acrobat Reader 6.0.1 and Preview for OS
>> X. I can't find any boxes or things that look like they're not
>> supposed to be there, and italics also display correctly. Maybe if
>> you update your PDF viewer?
>
>
> It's a bug in the file; some strange voodoo happened when I did a
> page-replacement, and page 139 [and only page 139, to the best of my
> knowledge] has some text that was un-handily replaced by a bunch of
> boxes. Fucking PDFs. Drive me to drinking.

Weird. Just rechecked my PDF, and it has some boxes on 139, but my
printed copy is clean. Since I've been looking through my printed copy,
I didn't even notice.

-Tev
Message no. 25
From: zebulingod@*******.net (zebulingod@*******.net)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:30:06 +0000
>
> The bindery decided to take their sweet sweet time with it [we'll using
> a different bindery for hardcovers in the future.]
>
> As soon as we have the "arrives at distributors" date nailed down we'll
> announce it.
>
> Adam
>

So, September 30th is right out then, too, I take it? *sigh*

Zebulin
Message no. 26
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:30:50 -0600
On 22-Sep-05, at 6:30 PM, zebulingod@*******.net wrote:

> So, September 30th is right out then, too, I take it? *sigh*

I did not say that.

Adam
--
Adam Jury
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com
Message no. 27
From: matthew.compton@*****.com (Matt)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:36:33 -0700
On 9/23/05, Adam Jury <adamj@*********.com> wrote:
>
> On 22-Sep-05, at 6:30 PM, zebulingod@*******.net wrote:
>
> > So, September 30th is right out then, too, I take it? *sigh*
>
> I did not say that.
>

I just got an update from Battlecorps and they have it as October 3rd
for their arrival date. So it's not too far off from the Sept. 30th
date.

--
Mankind cannot bear very much reality.
Message no. 28
From: tjlanza@************.com (Timothy J. Lanza)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:51:36 -0400
At 04:36 PM 9/23/2005, Matt wrote:
>I just got an update from Battlecorps and they have it as October 3rd
>for their arrival date. So it's not too far off from the Sept. 30th
>date.

I just got that e-mail, too... and almost deleted it as spam.

Somebody might want to suggest that they include "Battlecorps" or
"Battleshop" in the subject or the display name. If I hadn't looked at the
full e-mail address, I probably would have nuked it.

--
Timothy J. Lanza
"When we can't dream any longer, we die." - Emma Goldman
Message no. 29
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:16:45 -0600
On 9/23/05, Timothy J. Lanza <tjlanza@************.com> wrote:
> I just got that e-mail, too... and almost deleted it as spam.
>
> Somebody might want to suggest that they include "Battlecorps" or
> "Battleshop" in the subject or the display name. If I hadn't looked at the
> full e-mail address, I probably would have nuked it.

And you can't do this because...

;)

--
-Graht
Message no. 30
From: tjlanza@************.com (Timothy J. Lanza)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:16:13 -0400
At 06:16 PM 9/23/2005, Graht wrote:
>On 9/23/05, Timothy J. Lanza <tjlanza@************.com> wrote:
> > I just got that e-mail, too... and almost deleted it as spam.
> >
> > Somebody might want to suggest that they include "Battlecorps" or
> > "Battleshop" in the subject or the display name. If I hadn't looked
at the
> > full e-mail address, I probably would have nuked it.
>
>And you can't do this because...

Nobody said "can't," just usually /don't/. Plenty of spam comes in with
legitimate looking display names. It frequently gets deleted without even a
cursory examination, especially when it is not from an immediately
recognized sender.

I now know, because I looked, that Battlecorps.com is run by "InMediaRes
Productions, LLC." The original receipt e-mail from my purchase makes no
reference to IMR Productions. In fact, it explicitly refers to Battlecorps.
This e-mail should have been no different.

--
Timothy J. Lanza
"When we can't dream any longer, we die." - Emma Goldman
Message no. 31
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: PDF printing problems
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:23:46 -0600
On 24-Sep-05, at 12:16 AM, Timothy J. Lanza wrote:

> At 06:16 PM 9/23/2005, Graht wrote:
>> On 9/23/05, Timothy J. Lanza <tjlanza@************.com> wrote:
>> > I just got that e-mail, too... and almost deleted it as spam.
>> >
>> > Somebody might want to suggest that they include "Battlecorps" or
>> > "Battleshop" in the subject or the display name. If I hadn't
>> looked at the
>> > full e-mail address, I probably would have nuked it.
>>
>> And you can't do this because...
>
> Nobody said "can't," just usually /don't/. Plenty of spam comes in
> with legitimate looking display names. It frequently gets deleted
> without even a cursory examination, especially when it is not from an
> immediately recognized sender.

I'm pretty sure David meant: "Why don't you, as a customer, make this
suggestion to them yourselves?"

Adam
--
Adam Jury
Editor, The Shadowrun Supplemental :: http://tss.dumpshock.com

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