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Message no. 1
From: Matthew Johnson <mjohnson@*.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: perception, noticing, and multiple concealing effects
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:31:36 -0700
This question concerns when someone/thing has multiple items, spells,
etc., that are attempting to conceal him/her/it. Basically, what concealing
'things' can be stacked. Can someone wear camo, be under Disregard and
Invisibility, use Reuthenium Polymers, have a spirit Conceal him, use
Stealth, and have it all stack? If not, what is stackable?
One conclusion was that if a person or thing rolled high enough to succeed
against a TN, that person/thing would see through all effects whose TNs
were equal to or less than that TN. Another conclusion was that a
person/thing should have to roll against all effects attempting to hide the
object. Another conclusion was that some of these would actually add on to
each other, making the TN higher, and that some would just not be counted
because they were superceded by another spell or piece of technology.
I would appreciate any comments, theoretical or experienced.

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Message no. 2
From: William Gallas <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: perception, noticing, and multiple concealing effects
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:23:43 +0100
> This question concerns when someone/thing has multiple items, spells,
>etc., that are attempting to conceal him/her/it. Basically, what concealing
>'things' can be stacked. Can someone wear camo, be under Disregard and
>Invisibility, use Reuthenium Polymers, have a spirit Conceal him, use
>Stealth, and have it all stack? If not, what is stackable?
> One conclusion was that if a person or thing rolled high enough to
succeed
>against a TN, that person/thing would see through all effects whose TNs
>were equal to or less than that TN. Another conclusion was that a
>person/thing should have to roll against all effects attempting to hide the
>object. Another conclusion was that some of these would actually add on to
>each other, making the TN higher, and that some would just not be counted
>because they were superceded by another spell or piece of technology.
> I would appreciate any comments, theoretical or experienced.

In my game, it is stackable in some way. I try to understand how it works
and then estimate the difficulty for the viewer to see the guy.
For exemple, if he has ruthenium and invisibility, the two act the same way
and I would not had the modifiers. But I think the perception test is more
to hear him (her) than to see him (her). I do had stealth and
ruthenium/invisibility because because I see big differences between the
two technics : With stealth, he uses the environnment and with
ruthenium/invisibility he (she) modifies his (her) aspect (I see the two as
the chameleon 'power' or like predator). Disregard and invisibility or
stealth do not act the same way so modifiers are stackable. Spirit
concealment is a bit different. The target has to be static (you cannot
walk under spirit concealment). The way I see it, the spirit affect the
domain so that the target is 'naturally' hidden by environnment, which
means you can't be concealed by a spirit in the middle of a street ! I
would say it could be used to help stealth (reduce the TN or throw more
dices) or by stacking the two effects (because it is done by the spirit and
not by the target) as you like.

Cobra.

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Message no. 3
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: perception, noticing, and multiple concealing effects
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:05:14 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-04 02:38:37 EST, mjohnson@*.ARIZONA.EDU writes:

> This question concerns when someone/thing has multiple items,
spells,
> etc., that are attempting to conceal him/her/it. Basically, what
concealing
> 'things' can be stacked. Can someone wear camo, be under Disregard and
> Invisibility, use Reuthenium Polymers, have a spirit Conceal him, use
> Stealth, and have it all stack? If not, what is stackable?

Theoretically, YES!!! However, at the same time I would personally go hiding
under the stairs (carp shields engaged to full).

> One conclusion was that if a person or thing rolled high enough to

> succeed
> against a TN, that person/thing would see through all effects whose TNs
> were equal to or less than that TN. Another conclusion was that a
> person/thing should have to roll against all effects attempting to hide
the
> object. Another conclusion was that some of these would actually add on to
> each other, making the TN higher, and that some would just not be counted
> because they were superceded by another spell or piece of technology.

A good way to consider the balance.

> I would appreciate any comments, theoretical or experienced.

I know those are laim comments/replies. I just feel nothing but sympathy
pains for the GM who has to deal with that. Though the rules allow for it
all, it also creates some pretty uncontrollable results.

-K

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