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Message no. 1
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:40:25 EST
Here's a problem that I cam up with:

Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky Limosine
with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can see that the
Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What do I have to
roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames. Does it go ping? I
need to know.


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Message no. 2
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:22:00 +0100
Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:
>
> Here's a problem that I cam up with:
>
> Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky Limosine
> with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can see that the
> Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What do I have to
> roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames. Does it go ping? I
> need to know.
Nightsky has a TN 8 (16-5-3), and he roll with 6 dice (5+(3/2 round
down)). Now he must roll at least 2 success, if he want to live.

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Message no. 3
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:57:57 -0500
> Here's a problem that I cam up with:
>
> Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky Limosine
> with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can see that the
> Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What do I have to
> roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames. Does it go ping? I
> need to know.

One rule we use for personal weapons vs vehicles is halve the damage code
and lower the damage level by one (or sometimes two). So the 16D would go
down to 8S. Seemed more reasonable, since most of bullets will go
straight through, leaving tiny holes. This works ok, but it isn't
perfect by any means. If someone has a better idea, I'd like to hear it.
I have problems with the numerous stageups that can occur when using
combat pool. How do you keep that from getting out of hand? It seems
kind of odd that light machine gun, smartlinked, can fire 6 rounds (13D)
plus stageups from combat pool and skill. Assuming 12 dice (gunnery 6,
combat pool 6) one should be able to average at least 6 successes under
most instances. So the car has to be able to get 6 body successes before
it can even start to stage down the damage. Am I missing anything?
Message no. 4
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:11:52 EST
Amper thought of these lovely words:

>Nightsky has a TN 8 (16-5-3), and he roll with 6 dice (5+(3/2 round
>down)). Now he must roll at least 2 success, if he want to live.
>
>--
Well, hello, and welcome to the list.(Bull the welcome bot will be here
shortly:-))

Now, what would happen if Joe would like to call a shot, say to the
engine or gas tank. What would happen then? Is there any pool that car
could use to upgrade the number of dice that it uses to resist? How much
does a harpoint/firmpoint cost to put on a vehicle? I hope you like mail
Amper!!


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Message no. 5
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:08:38 +0100
Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:
>
> > Here's a problem that I cam up with:
> >
> > Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky Limosine
> > with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can see that the
> > Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What do I have to
> > roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames. Does it go ping? I
> > need to know.
>
> One rule we use for personal weapons vs vehicles is halve the damage code
> and lower the damage level by one (or sometimes two). So the 16D would go
> down to 8S. Seemed more reasonable, since most of bullets will go
> straight through, leaving tiny holes. This works ok, but it isn't
> perfect by any means. If someone has a better idea, I'd like to hear it.
> I have problems with the numerous stageups that can occur when using
> combat pool. How do you keep that from getting out of hand? It seems
> kind of odd that light machine gun, smartlinked, can fire 6 rounds (13D)
> plus stageups from combat pool and skill. Assuming 12 dice (gunnery 6,
> combat pool 6) one should be able to average at least 6 successes under
> most instances. So the car has to be able to get 6 body successes before
> it can even start to stage down the damage. Am I missing anything?
Yes, but maybe I'm missing. The lower Damage Level is ok, but the Damage
Code isn't the halve. It's a rule form SRII. But everybody play it as
they please.
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Message no. 6
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:00:26 -0600
The Rigger's Black Book version 2.0 is supposed to have a redone
vehicle/pedestrian combat system, according to FASAMike. If you can wait
until Gen-Con time.




-Thomas Deeny
telltale.hart.org

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Message no. 7
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:17:21 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:00:26 -0600 "Faux Pas (Thomas)"
<thomas@*******.COM> writes:
>The Rigger's Black Book version 2.0 is supposed to have a redone
>vehicle/pedestrian combat system, according to FASAMike. If you can
>wait
>until Gen-Con time.
>-Thomas Deeny
>"He weeps for he has one small tongue with which to taste the world
---------
I hope so. i've spent many hours weeping over some of the combat
situations that I've come up with :-]

What happens if there's a driver, and you shoot through bullet proof
glass, and it get's through? How do you figure the damage for the
driver?


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Message no. 8
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:19:39 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:40:25 EST Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
writes:
>Here's a problem that I cam up with:
>
>Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky
>Limosine with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can
>see that the Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What
>do I have to roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames.
>Does it go ping? I need to know.
>

It goes 'pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingping!' (not unlike the list at
times;)

When checking that you add the Armor to the Body, then check against the
Base Power Level of the weapon (ie the Power Level of one bullet, 7 in
this case).

5+3=8>7, so the bullets don't do any damage.



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Message no. 9
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:43:45 EST
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:08:38 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
<snip>
>Yes, but maybe I'm missing. The lower Damage Level is ok, but the
>Damage
>Code isn't the halve. It's a rule form SRII. But everybody play it as
>they please.

It seems to me that everyone seems to miss something here: vehicle armor
is hardened. The base power of the weapon was 7, the Body plus the Armor
was 8. Unless I've goofed, that sounds like PING! to me.

(I can tell I'm either going to feel REAL stupid or get a big ego-boost
out of this:)

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Message no. 10
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:43:47 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:17:21 EST Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
writes:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:00:26 -0600 "Faux Pas (Thomas)"
><thomas@*******.COM> writes: >The Rigger's Black Book version 2.0 is
>supposed to have a redone
>>vehicle/pedestrian combat system, according to FASAMike. If you can
>>wait
>>until Gen-Con time.
>>-Thomas Deeny
>>"He weeps for he has one small tongue with which to taste the world
>---------
>I hope so. i've spent many hours weeping over some of the combat
>situations that I've come up with :-]
>What happens if there's a driver, and you shoot through bullet proof
>glass, and it get's through? How do you figure the damage for the
>driver?
>
Add the Barrier Rating of the glass to the driver's armor. Just like
Manipulation spells:)

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Message no. 11
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:27:57 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:19:39 EST L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM> writes:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:40:25 EST Gweedo The Killer Pimp
><yawas@****.COM>
>writes: >Here's a problem that I cam up with:(We'll keep this part, it's
relevant:^))
>>
>>Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky
>>Limosine with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can
>>see that the Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What
>>do I have to roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames.
>>Does it go ping? I need to know.
>>
>
>It goes 'pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingping!' (not unlike the list
>at
>times;)
>When checking that you add the Armor to the Body, then check against
>the
>Base Power Level of the weapon (ie the Power Level of one bullet, 7 in
>this case).
>5+3=8>7, so the bullets don't do any damage.
----------
All right, a good, easy to deal with answer. And I get to see the
horrified look on the sammie when he tries to shoot an oncoming limo with
his beloved LMG and it does nothing, nothing, Nothing, bwa ha ha ha :-)


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Message no. 12
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:42:37 -0500
> On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:08:38 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
> <snip>
> >Yes, but maybe I'm missing. The lower Damage Level is ok, but the
> >Damage
> >Code isn't the halve. It's a rule form SRII. But everybody play it as
> >they please.
>
> It seems to me that everyone seems to miss something here: vehicle armor
> is hardened. The base power of the weapon was 7, the Body plus the Armor
> was 8. Unless I've goofed, that sounds like PING! to me.

Hmm... I think you are wrong.... in the section about weapons, spells and
vehicles (or some combination of the three) it says if the base power of
the weapon does not exceed the armor (not the armor plus body), the round
doesn't penetrate...

> (I can tell I'm either going to feel REAL stupid or get a big ego-boost
> out of this:)

I'll leave that up to you to decide... :)
Message no. 13
From: Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 01:09:26 -0600
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Amper wrote:

> Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:
> >
> > Here's a problem that I cam up with:
> >
> > Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky Limosine
> > with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can see that the
> > Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What do I have to
> > roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames. Does it go ping? I
> > need to know.
> Nightsky has a TN 8 (16-5-3), and he roll with 6 dice (5+(3/2 round
> down)). Now he must roll at least 2 success, if he want to live.

Does the rigger get to roll Control pool or Combat pool to help resist
this?
Thanks. :)
-Court


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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:30:18 +0100
L Canthros said on 22:19/20 Mar 97...

> It goes 'pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingping!' (not unlike the list at
> times;)
>
> When checking that you add the Armor to the Body, then check against the
> Base Power Level of the weapon (ie the Power Level of one bullet, 7 in
> this case).
>
> 5+3=8>7, so the bullets don't do any damage.

Almost right. If the Power Level is less than, or equal to, the Armor
Rating of the vehicle, the shots bounce off. Although the vehicle's Body
counts as armor for resisting damage, it _isn't_ the same as the Armor
Rating. Firing 9 shots from the LMG would cause the Nightsky to roll
against a TN of 8.

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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:30:19 +0100
Midn Daniel O Fredrikson said on 17:57/20 Mar 97...

> One rule we use for personal weapons vs vehicles is halve the damage code
> and lower the damage level by one (or sometimes two). So the 16D would go
> down to 8S.

You're mixing SRI and SRII rules here. In SRII, you only lower the
weapon's Damage Level by 1, so a single shot would be 7M (normally 7S,
from an LMG), but with the 9 rounds it would still be 16D.

In SR1, Power Level and Staging were halved and the Damage Level reduced
by one, so for example a 10S4 weapon would be only 5M2 against a vehicle.
Only part of this carried over to SRII, though.

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Message no. 16
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:30:18 +0100
Gweedo The Killer Pimp said on 22:17/20 Mar 97...

> What happens if there's a driver, and you shoot through bullet proof
> glass, and it get's through? How do you figure the damage for the
> driver?

If it gets through, the driver gets extra armor based on the Barrier
Rating of the glass. Usually, this is the base rating, adjusted for the
amunition (APDS would halve it, explosive doubles the BR, etc.).

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Message no. 17
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:55:57 +0100
L Canthros wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:08:38 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
> <snip>
> >Yes, but maybe I'm missing. The lower Damage Level is ok, but the
> >Damage
> >Code isn't the halve. It's a rule form SRII. But everybody play it as
> >they please.
>
> It seems to me that everyone seems to miss something here: vehicle armor
> is hardened. The base power of the weapon was 7, the Body plus the Armor
> was 8. Unless I've goofed, that sounds like PING! to me.

NO, no, no ping! The stage rating is just the armor, not the armor+body.
(3<7 -> Bang!)
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Message no. 18
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:06:15 +0100
L Canthros wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:08:38 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
> <snip>
> >Yes, but maybe I'm missing. The lower Damage Level is ok, but the
> >Damage
> >Code isn't the halve. It's a rule form SRII. But everybody play it as
> >they please.
>
> It seems to me that everyone seems to miss something here: vehicle armor
> is hardened. The base power of the weapon was 7, the Body plus the Armor
> was 8. Unless I've goofed, that sounds like PING! to me.

I don't think it, that's ok, an armored vehicle has a stage, and if the
stage bigger, that the base power level, then no effect, but the stage
is just the armor point, not the armor+body.
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Message no. 19
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:38:16 EST
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:30:18 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Almost right. If the Power Level is less than, or equal to, the Armor
>Rating of the vehicle, the shots bounce off. Although the vehicle's
>Body
>counts as armor for resisting damage, it _isn't_ the same as the Armor
>Rating. Firing 9 shots from the LMG would cause the Nightsky to roll
>against a TN of 8.
>
Well, I'll get this figured out one of these days:) Thanks for correcting
me (again:)

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Message no. 20
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:38:16 EST
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:42:37 -0500 Midn Daniel O Fredrikson
<m992148@****.NAVY.MIL> writes:
<snip>
>Hmm... I think you are wrong.... in the section about weapons, spells
>and
>vehicles (or some combination of the three) it says if the base power
>of
>the weapon does not exceed the armor (not the armor plus body), the
>round
>doesn't penetrate...
>

might be...I can't remember.



>> (I can tell I'm either going to feel REAL stupid or get a big
>ego-boost
>> out of this:)
>
>I'll leave that up to you to decide... :)
>
Verdict's still out, I think:)

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Message no. 21
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:38:16 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:27:57 EST Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
writes:

>----------
>All right, a good, easy to deal with answer. And I get to see the
>horrified look on the sammie when he tries to shoot an oncoming limo
>with his beloved LMG and it does nothing, nothing, Nothing, bwa ha ha
>ha :-)

Unfortunately it seems I was wrong:( No the first time, won't be the
last.

Correctly (or so I'm told:) you compare to base power of the weaon to the
vehicle's Armor -alone-, without adding in the vehicle's Body. So, your
sammie's LMG would penetrate against the Nightsky, but he won't get very
far against a Steel Lynx.


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Message no. 22
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:40:08 +0100
Court Schuett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Amper wrote:
>
> > Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's a problem that I cam up with:
> > >
> > > Joe Cyber decides that he's going to shoot a Mitsubishi Nightsky Limosine
> > > with an Ares Mp-LMG full auto. 9 shots 16D damage. I can see that the
> > > Nightsky has a Body of 5 and an Armor value of 3. What do I have to
> > > roll? Does the car explode in a big ball of flames. Does it go ping? I
> > > need to know.
> > Nightsky has a TN 8 (16-5-3), and he roll with 6 dice (5+(3/2 round
> > down)). Now he must roll at least 2 success, if he want to live.
>
> Does the rigger get to roll Control pool or Combat pool to help resist
> this?
> Thanks. :)
> -Court

If he is a rigger, and he is cibernetically linked, then he can add
extra dices from his Control Pool. But he isn't a rigger, or not has a
cibernetically link, he nothing can add. The Combat Pool don't good for
the vehicle's Resistance Test. But if the driver or a passenger damaged,
they can add Combat Pool to their Resistance Test.
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Message no. 23
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:35:10 +0100
Amper said on 13:40/21 Mar 97...

Amper, could you delete the bits you're not replying to?

> If he is a rigger, and he is cibernetically linked, then he can add
> extra dices from his Control Pool. But he isn't a rigger, or not has a
> cibernetically link, he nothing can add. The Combat Pool don't good for
> the vehicle's Resistance Test.

Only riggers who are jacked into a vehicle have a Control Pool in the
first place. Since Control Pool can be used for things like damage
resistance for the vehicle (last sentence in the left-hand column of page
108. SRII), only riggers who are actually using their VCRs to control a
vehicle can do so.

<munchkin>Now, how about if you modify a vehicle so two or more riggers
can jack in at the same time. Would they add their Control Pools
together?</munchkin>

> But if the driver or a passenger damaged, they can add Combat Pool to
> their Resistance Test.

Keep in mind that that's only for the damage taken by the passengers
themselves, not the vehicle.

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Message no. 24
From: Amper <amper@****.DATANET.HU>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:17:05 +0100
> Gurth wrote:
>
> Only riggers who are jacked into a vehicle have a Control Pool in the
> first place. Since Control Pool can be used for things like damage
> resistance for the vehicle (last sentence in the left-hand column of
> page 108. SRII), only riggers who are actually using their VCRs to
> control a vehicle can do so.

I wrote this too, or not? (Although I forgot to write: if the driver
isn't a rigger, he (or she) could has Control Pool in no wise. If he has
a VCR, he is a rigger.)

> <munchkin>Now, how about if you modify a vehicle so two or more
> riggers can jack in at the same time. Would they add their Control
> Pools together?</munchkin>

If two or more rigger jacked in a modified vehicle, they add their
Control Pool together, but the maximum number of dice that he can add,
is equal to the base number of dice in the test.
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Message no. 25
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:53:57 +0000
> > One rule we use for personal weapons vs vehicles is halve the damage code
> > and lower the damage level by one (or sometimes two). So the 16D would go
> > down to 8S.
>
> You're mixing SRI and SRII rules here. In SRII, you only lower the
> weapon's Damage Level by 1, so a single shot would be 7M (normally 7S,
> from an LMG), but with the 9 rounds it would still be 16D.
>

<snip>

Personally I read this as a house rule ("One rule we use...")...
soooo... so therefore it can't be wrong ;) I think he was just tryin
to spread ideas around... am I wrong or am I wrong? :)

*wave8

Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca
Message no. 26
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:11:00 -0500
> > > One rule we use for personal weapons vs vehicles is halve the damage code
> > > and lower the damage level by one (or sometimes two). So the 16D would go
> > > down to 8S.
> >
> > You're mixing SRI and SRII rules here. In SRII, you only lower the
> > weapon's Damage Level by 1, so a single shot would be 7M (normally 7S,
> > from an LMG), but with the 9 rounds it would still be 16D.
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> Personally I read this as a house rule ("One rule we use...")...
> soooo... so therefore it can't be wrong ;) I think he was just tryin
> to spread ideas around... am I wrong or am I wrong? :)

<Bow to Shane>

You are correct. I'm just fiddling around with different rules.
Message no. 27
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:34:46 +0100
Shane Courtrille said on 13:53/22 Mar 97...

> Personally I read this as a house rule ("One rule we use...")...
> soooo... so therefore it can't be wrong ;)

Do you think I should have made clear I wasn't trying to say he was wrong?
All I was doing was pointing out the "official" SRII rule, to prevent the
sort of confusion we've had before when house rules and DLoH quotes were
mentioned... *goes to stairs, just in case*

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Message no. 28
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:50:10 -0800
>Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:38:16 EST
>From: L Canthros

>On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:27:57 EST Gweedo The Killer
Pimp
>writes:
>
>>----------
>>All right, a good, easy to deal with answer. And I
get to see the
>>horrified look on the sammie when he tries to shoot
an oncoming limo
>>with his beloved LMG and it does nothing, nothing,
Nothing, bwa ha ha
>>ha :-)
>
>Unfortunately it seems I was wrong:( No the first
time, won't be the
>last.
>
>Correctly (or so I'm told:) you compare to base
power of the weaon to the
>vehicle's Armor -alone-, without adding in the
vehicle's Body. So, your
>sammie's LMG would penetrate against the Nightsky,
but he won't get very
>far against a Steel Lynx.

<munchkin>
But I Dikoted (tm) the entire car before I armored
it!
</munchkin>

:)

Shawn
Who'd like to get the steel toes in his jungle boots
dikoted for those nasty barfights.


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Message no. 29
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Person to Vehicle Combat
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:02:28 +0000
> <munchkin>
> But I Dikoted (tm) the entire car before I armored
> it!
> </munchkin>
>
> :)


How much do you think this would cost? :) *grin* and what would the
game effects be... since its a car... just curious :)
*wave*

Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca

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