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Message no. 1
From: Number_10_Ox@**********.com (Number Ten)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
So, I've read "Dragons of the 6th world", and I have just two questions.

(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on the
cover have -nipple piercings-? For that matter, why does the dragon in the
half-page illustration in the Ruymyo section have the same thing?

(2) For those who've read "Dragons" as well as "Dragons of the 6th
world":
Root Protector/Earthroot is spoken of in the present tense by Hestaby and
Celedyr, as well as others, which implies that he's still alive. Does
anyone have any idea (or, failing that, wild-a**ed speculation) as to where
he might be?

--Number 10
(who thinks "Damon" had better be using birth control, lest all his older
relatives squish him like a bug. Look what happened to Alamais and
Denairastas. :p)

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Message no. 2
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:47:42 -0400
At 03:26 PM 6/9/03, you wrote:

>(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on the
>cover have -nipple piercings-? For that matter, why does the dragon in the
>half-page illustration in the Ruymyo section have the same thing?

Why not?

Adam
Message no. 3
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
> >(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on
> >the cover have -nipple piercings-? For that matter, why does the
> >dragon in the half-page illustration in the Ruymyo section have
> >the same thing?

> Why not?
>
> Adam

Who is going to mock their lifestyle choices? Harlequin maybe? I
think if a dragon wants body piercings, a smart piercing artist will
get out his dikoted tools and keep his opinions to himself. ;D

<ED Ref>
Besides, some of the older elves have their entire body pierced. :p
</ED Ref>

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Message no. 4
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:45:57 +0200
According to Adam Jury, on Monday 09 June 2003 21:47 the word on the street
was...

> >(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on the
> >cover have -nipple piercings-?
>
> Why not?

Maybe because dragons aren't (by all indications) mammals? :)

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Message no. 5
From: cmd_jackryan@***.net (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:17:12 +0200
Am Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:45:57 +0200 hat Gurth <gurth@******.nl> geschrieben:

> According to Adam Jury, on Monday 09 June 2003 21:47 the word on the
> street was...
>
>> >(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on the
>> >cover have -nipple piercings-?
>>
>> Why not?
>
> Maybe because dragons aren't (by all indications) mammals? :)

Maybe dragons are creatures of fantazy and myth?

C'mon, we'll see a dragon soonest when magic's coming home and then still:
What do we know about dragons and their sense of fashion?

If Lofwyr or Ryumyo want nipples, heck, let them.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrun@********.demon.co.uk (Andrew Norman)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:08:21 +0100
On Wednesday 11 Jun 2003 10:17 am, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:
> Am Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:45:57 +0200 hat Gurth <gurth@******.nl> geschrieben:
> > According to Adam Jury, on Monday 09 June 2003 21:47 the word on the
> > street was...
> >
> >> >(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on
the
> >> >cover have -nipple piercings-?
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >
> > Maybe because dragons aren't (by all indications) mammals? :)
>
> Maybe dragons are creatures of fantazy and myth?
>
> C'mon, we'll see a dragon soonest when magic's coming home and then still:
> What do we know about dragons and their sense of fashion?
>
> If Lofwyr or Ryumyo want nipples, heck, let them.

"Where does a 12000lb dragon wear jewelery ? ... anywhere it wants too"

Also who is going to argue with the dragon when he asks for it.

-Andrew
Message no. 7
From: quisar@******.ambre.net (Benjamin Lerman)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:33:15 +0200
Number Ten a écrit :
> (1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on the
> cover have -nipple piercings-? For that matter, why does the dragon in the
> half-page illustration in the Ruymyo section have the same thing?

Where did everyone see *nipple* piercings ? Those 2 dragons have
piercings, all right (Ruymyo also have nose piercings on the
illustration), but not the single trace of a beginning of a nipple. And
about the whys, well, why anybody would have a piercing ? Plenty of
reasons can be considered, but I fear only the great reptile will be
able to answer...
Message no. 8
From: bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:45:58 -0400
At 12:33 PM 6/11/2003 +0200, Benjamin Lerman wrote:
> Number Ten a écrit :
> > (1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the dragon on the
> > cover have -nipple piercings-? For that matter, why does the dragon in the
> > half-page illustration in the Ruymyo section have the same thing?
>
> Where did everyone see *nipple* piercings ? Those 2 dragons have
>piercings, all right (Ruymyo also have nose piercings on the
>illustration), but not the single trace of a beginning of a nipple. And
>about the whys, well, why anybody would have a piercing ? Plenty of
>reasons can be considered, but I fear only the great reptile will be
>able to answer...

Haven't really looked through the book cause I don't have it yet, and the
only pic I've gotten to see is Peri passed out drunk (First Bergting pic
I've EVER liked :)), so I can;t really say where and what is pierced, but...

Hey, these are dragons. We know they can change shape at will pretty
much... Who's to say the nipples or the piercings are even real? :]

Bull
Message no. 9
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:05:09 +0200
Benjamin Lerman wrote :
> And
> about the whys, well, why anybody would have a piercing ? Plenty of
> reasons can be considered, but I fear only the great reptile will be
> able to answer...

Well, a GM friend of mine has a simple and interesting answer to this:
the piercings are foci. After all, piercings are less prone to falling
than pendants when you're flying, and it mustn't be easy for a dragon
to wear rings...

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Message no. 10
From: quisar@******.ambre.net (Benjamin Lerman)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:23:27 +0200
> Well, a GM friend of mine has a simple and interesting answer to
> this: the piercings are foci. After all, piercings are less prone to
> falling than pendants when you're flying, and it mustn't be easy for a
> dragon to wear rings...

Well, I think I'll keep this one. But it would, a priori, work only for
dragon who don't change into metahumans, or are they able to transform
foci ? Might be some interesting mojo to learn...
Message no. 11
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:27:50 +0200
Le mercredi, 11 jun 2003, à 14:23 Europe/Paris, Benjamin Lerman a écrit
:

>> Well, a GM friend of mine has a simple and interesting answer to
>> this: the piercings are foci. After all, piercings are less prone to
>> falling than pendants when you're flying, and it mustn't be easy for a
>> dragon to wear rings...
>
> Well, I think I'll keep this one. But it would, a priori, work only
> for
> dragon who don't change into metahumans, or are they able to transform
> foci ? Might be some interesting mojo to learn...

AFAIK dragons don't like to change into metahumans. That their big
foci suddenly become a pain to carry (I assume they're smart enough to
remove them *before* shapeshifting) might be one of the reasons...

-- Wild_Cat
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Message no. 12
From: pf_mc@*****.ca (shadows within)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:52:46 -0400 (EDT)
> AFAIK dragons don't like to change into metahumans.

Dunkelzahn did it all the time, and so does Masaru and
Arleesh and Damon and Henequin ... Some don't like it,
but it's far from a rule. The ones that have the
closest sympathies to metahumanity will more often
than not have a metahuman form that is fairly well
known.

>From the text on Hestaby (p. 73, Dot6W):
- Most dragons use assume a metahuman form in public
...

The text goes on to talk about how dragons do PR, and
how Hestaby likes to show up 'au natural' as often as
possible, but the point is made that dragons appear in
metahuman form often enough for it to be considered
SOP when interacting with the general populace.

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Message no. 13
From: markus.widmer@******.at (Markus Widmer)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:16:33 +0200
>Well, a GM friend of mine has a simple and interesting answer to
this:
>the piercings are foci. After all, piercings are less prone to
falling
>than pendants when you're flying, and it mustn't be easy for a dragon
>to wear rings...

The female mage in our group actually has a bellybutton-piercing which
is a sustaining focus for her armor-spell for exactly the same reason:
It won't be lost easily.

Markus
Message no. 14
From: pf_mc@*****.ca (shadows within)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
> The female mage in our group actually has a
> bellybutton-piercing which
> is a sustaining focus for her armor-spell for
> exactly the same reason:
> It won't be lost easily.
>
> Markus

A mage in our group who follows the tradition of chaos
(mixing modern technology with magic whenever
possible, ie he's a decker too, and stores his library
on optical chips), learned how to make cyberspurs. He
handmade them, went through the enchanting process,
and then had them implanted. They're now his weapon
focus. That and his ally used most of the karma and
resources he'd earmed to date, but I thought it was a
cool trick.

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Message no. 15
From: SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:59:42 +0200
Phillip Gawlowski wrote:
> Am Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:45:57 +0200 hat Gurth
> <gurth@******.nl> geschrieben:
>
> > According to Adam Jury, on Monday 09 June 2003 21:47 the word on the
> > street was...
> >
> >> >(1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice> does the
> dragon on
> >> >the cover have -nipple piercings-?
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >
> > Maybe because dragons aren't (by all indications) mammals? :)
>
> Maybe dragons are creatures of fantazy and myth?
>
> [snip]

Well yes, but it could be argued that because they exist in SR where even
magic is bound by the laws of physics and nature, they are NOT creatures of
fantasy in SR. Therefore, as reptiles, they shouldn't have nipples. :)


Slayer

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Message no. 16
From: SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:31:19 +0200
I have a question: why does wearing a nipple ring make a dragon perverted?
Apparently the original poster thought so.

Just wondering.


Slayer

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Message no. 17
From: moe@*******.com (Allen Versfeld)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:09:15 +0200
Steve Garrard wrote:
> I have a question: why does wearing a nipple ring make a dragon perverted?
> Apparently the original poster thought so.
>
> Just wondering.

You just have to use the correct definition of 'perversion' - Websters
gives us (amongst others) "a turning or applying to a wrong end or use"

Since nipples are meant as milk dispensers, using them as mounting
points for jewellry would count as a perversion.


I wish I wouldn't have to add this, but: Yes, I realise that this
makes just about everything human beings do a perversion, but *shrug*
I'm argumentative that way :)
Message no. 18
From: cmd_jackryan@***.net (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:12:57 +0200
Am Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:59:42 +0200 hat Steve Garrard <SteveG@****
systems.co.za> geschrieben:

>
> Well yes, but it could be argued that because they exist in SR where even
> magic is bound by the laws of physics and nature, they are NOT creatures
> of
> fantasy in SR. Therefore, as reptiles, they shouldn't have nipples. :)

Who sayas they _are_ reptiles? Granted, they look a lot like reptiles, but
whales do swim, but ain't fish.

Dragons are creatures of magic (artificial or not is another question), and
thus not bound to what we think are normal rules, although there are still
certain rules that apply to them.

For instance, they can only fly because of their mojo.


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You know that the above is none-sense? Especially Paragraph 1?


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Message no. 19
From: SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:09:57 +0200
Allen Versfeld wrote:
> Steve Garrard wrote:
> > I have a question: why does wearing a nipple ring make a dragon
> > perverted? Apparently the original poster thought so.
> >
> > Just wondering.
>
> You just have to use the correct definition of 'perversion' -
> Websters
> gives us (amongst others) "a turning or applying to a wrong
> end or use"
>
> Since nipples are meant as milk dispensers, using them as mounting
> points for jewellry would count as a perversion.
>
>
> I wish I wouldn't have to add this, but: Yes, I realise that this
> makes just about everything human beings do a perversion, but *shrug*
> I'm argumentative that way :)

Indeed! You, like all of us, must lead a very perverted life! :)


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Message no. 20
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:40:33 +0200
According to Markus Widmer, on Wednesday 11 June 2003 15:16 the word on the
street was...

> The female mage in our group actually has a bellybutton-piercing which
> is a sustaining focus for her armor-spell for exactly the same reason:
> It won't be lost easily.

I bet she's glad grounding's gone... I remember when I was new to the list,
one of the first questions I asked was prompted by one of my players, who
wanted to know about the pros and cons of implanted foci. IIRC, most
replies mentioned the grounding problem :)

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Message no. 21
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:56:52 +0200
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>
> I remember when I was new to the list,

Give us a break, you have never been new to this list, you even know Dvixen
and Gurth's real names :-)

Lars
Message no. 22
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:50:43 +0200
Gurth wrote :

> According to Markus Widmer, on Wednesday 11 June 2003 15:16 the word
> on the
> street was...
>
>> The female mage in our group actually has a bellybutton-piercing which
>> is a sustaining focus for her armor-spell for exactly the same reason:
>> It won't be lost easily.
>
> I bet she's glad grounding's gone... I remember when I was new to the
> list,
> one of the first questions I asked was prompted by one of my players,
> who
> wanted to know about the pros and cons of implanted foci. IIRC, most
> replies mentioned the grounding problem :)

I've never played SR2, but I seem to recall that in order to ground a
spell through a focus, said focus has to be active, and that a focus
can be activated/deactivated at will... Am I wrong?

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Message no. 23
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:35:56 +1000 (EST)
--- Benjamin Lerman <quisar@******.ambre.net> wrote:
> Number Ten a écrit :
> > (1) Why in the name of <insert deity of choice>
> does the dragon on the
> > cover have -nipple piercings-? For that matter,
> why does the dragon in the
> > half-page illustration in the Ruymyo section have
> the same thing?
>
> Where did everyone see *nipple* piercings ? Those 2
> dragons have
> piercings, all right (Ruymyo also have nose
> piercings on the
> illustration), but not the single trace of a
> beginning of a nipple. And
> about the whys, well, why anybody would have a
> piercing ? Plenty of
> reasons can be considered, but I fear only the great
> reptile will be
> able to answer...

Yeah, they obviosly like pain ;) A friend of mine who
had both nipples done said "It felt like ten ton of
bricks were hanging off 'em", & " It felt like she was
gonna tear off my nipples but they were only small
rings". Recovered now & doesn't really notice them
unless plays with them, although sure scared the drek
out :)

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Message no. 24
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:24 +1000 (EST)
--- Steve Garrard <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote: >

> I have a question: why does wearing a nipple ring
> make a dragon perverted?
> Apparently the original poster thought so.
>
> Just wondering.

Because Slayer It's an erogenous zone or something,
>From what I know It gets the person off as their
nipples are sensitive & are stimulated more
thouroughly or something, basically gets them off, I'm
not complaining If It makes It easier...<sysop: 31
characters deleted>... although I personally wouldn't
like to go through the pain for the reward of pleasure
:)

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Message no. 25
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:45:18 +0200
According to Max Noel, on Thursday 12 June 2003 02:50 the word on the
street was...

> I've never played SR2, but I seem to recall that in order to ground a
> spell through a focus, said focus has to be active, and that a focus
> can be activated/deactivated at will... Am I wrong?

No, but activating or deactivating a focus did cost a Simple Action. As a
result, you couldn't just deactivate it any time it was more convenient to
not be astrally present, allowing others to ground spells through it. Not
to mention that usually the time when there _are_ people around who want
to ground spells through your focus, is when you'll have the most use for
that focus...

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Message no. 26
From: bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:16:58 -0400
At 10:45 AM 6/12/2003 +0200, Gurth wrote:
>According to Max Noel, on Thursday 12 June 2003 02:50 the word on the
>street was...
>
> > I've never played SR2, but I seem to recall that in order to ground a
> > spell through a focus, said focus has to be active, and that a focus
> > can be activated/deactivated at will... Am I wrong?
>
>No, but activating or deactivating a focus did cost a Simple Action. As a
>result, you couldn't just deactivate it any time it was more convenient to
>not be astrally present, allowing others to ground spells through it. Not
>to mention that usually the time when there _are_ people around who want
>to ground spells through your focus, is when you'll have the most use for
>that focus...

Hey gridsec dude, aren't you supposed to change the Subject when threads
drift to a new topic? :]

<grin>

Bull -- Ducking under Gurths Stairs
Message no. 27
From: markus.widmer@******.at (Markus Widmer)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:17:21 +0200
>I bet she's glad grounding's gone... I remember when I was new to the
list,
>one of the first questions I asked was prompted by one of my players,
who
>wanted to know about the pros and cons of implanted foci. IIRC, most
>replies mentioned the grounding problem :)

I've never read SR2, but I remember someone telling me about
channeling a spell through a focus, which I suppose is grounding. Is
that rule officially cancelled? Or did it just not show up again in
the third edition?

Markus
Message no. 28
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:00:16 +0200
Markus Widmer wrote :

> I've never read SR2, but I remember someone telling me about
> channeling a spell through a focus, which I suppose is grounding. Is
> that rule officially cancelled? Or did it just not show up again in
> the third edition?

Well, if you remember, when you're astrally projecting you can only
cast spells at astrally active entities, such as dual-natured beings
and active foci. Basically, Grounding allows you to do that with a
physical, area-of-effect spell (such as an elemental manipulation), and
it will ground through the astrally active entity and manifest on the
physical plane. Meaning that your whole team can get burned to a crisp
because an astrally projecting kamikaze cast a force 8 Hellblast on
your mage's power focus.
I guess it was the SR2 way of telling a mage character's player "you
use too much foci"... Now we have focus addiction rules for that.

-- Wild_Cat
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and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 29
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:05:52 -0600
At 05:00 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, Max Noel wrote:
>Markus Widmer wrote :
>
>>I've never read SR2, but I remember someone telling me about
>>channeling a spell through a focus, which I suppose is grounding. Is
>>that rule officially cancelled? Or did it just not show up again in
>>the third edition?
>
> Well, if you remember, when you're astrally projecting you can
> only cast spells at astrally active entities, such as dual-natured beings
> and active foci. Basically, Grounding allows you to do that with a
> physical, area-of-effect spell (such as an elemental manipulation), and
> it will ground through the astrally active entity and manifest on the
> physical plane. Meaning that your whole team can get burned to a crisp
> because an astrally projecting kamikaze cast a force 8 Hellblast on your
> mage's power focus.
> I guess it was the SR2 way of telling a mage character's player
> "you use too much foci"... Now we have focus addiction rules for that.

And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
Message no. 30
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:02:57 +0200
According to Bull, on Thursday 12 June 2003 11:16 the word on the street
was...

> Hey gridsec dude, aren't you supposed to change the Subject when threads
> drift to a new topic? :]

Yeah, but while my memory for trivia is excellent, it's rather less good
when it comes to important things :)

> Bull -- Ducking under Gurths Stairs

At least I know where to find you if you decide to remain such a
smartass... ;)

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Message no. 31
From: paolo@*************.com (Paolo Marcucci)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:11:19 -0700
> And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.

Sniffle.... :(

-Paolo
Message no. 32
From: cmd_jackryan@***.net (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:16:13 +0200
Am Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:11:19 -0700 hat Paolo Marcucci
<paolo@*************.com> geschrieben:

>> And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.
>
> Sniffle.... :(

Establish a house rule.

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Message no. 33
From: bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:38:11 -0400
At 09:16 AM 6/13/2003 +0200, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:
>Am Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:11:19 -0700 hat Paolo Marcucci
><paolo@*************.com> geschrieben:
>
>>>And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.
>>
>>Sniffle.... :(
>
>Establish a house rule.

Heh.

Hehehehe...

That's just too funny, and quite ironic :]

Bull
Message no. 34
From: cmd_jackryan@***.net (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:44:11 +0200
Am Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:38:11 -0400 hat Bull <bull@*********.com>
geschrieben:

> At 09:16 AM 6/13/2003 +0200, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:
>> Am Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:11:19 -0700 hat Paolo Marcucci
>> <paolo@*************.com> geschrieben:
>>
>>>> And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.
>>>
>>> Sniffle.... :(
>>
>> Establish a house rule.
>
> Heh.
>
> Hehehehe...
>
> That's just too funny, and quite ironic :]

Actually: I'm considering.

My group will start a campaign (For unknown reasons, involving a certain AI
and a certain megacorp) they don't wanna be shadworunners right now. So I
set up a nice Knight Errant campaign, letting 'em deal with stuff unknown
to them. Hehehe.

And I don't want to make it too easy (that is: survive-able) for them, do
I?

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Message no. 35
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:39:20 +0200
According to Paolo Marcucci, on Friday 13 June 2003 09:11 the word on the
street was...

> > And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.
>
> Sniffle.... :(

Which is why I kept it for all the various SR campaigns I ran since SR3
came out :) Not that it ever really got used, but just the threat of it
was enough to make players wary of over-using foci.

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Hooligans (zn) baldadige watervogel
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Message no. 36
From: sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:26:39 +1000
I've decided that dragons don't have nipples. Instead, they have small
sensory organs on their underbellies designed to locate precious metals. It
is good for their scales to lie on gold-rich ground, you see. This is why
dragons sleep on hoards of gold. Some dragons enjoy the sensation so much
that they peirce the organs with golden jewellry so they have a constant
sensation.
These organs just happen to be in roughly the same place a human's nipples
would be.


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Message no. 37
From: silvercat@***********.org (Jonathan Hurley)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:58:58 -0400
Grounding was eliminates from the game despite examples of it in the
fiction because it broke some core logic - you ended up with some really
weird and highly complex workarounds in the magic rules theory.

"I suppose this is what I get for letting rednecks play with
anti-matter; they just don't know when to say 'Okay, that's 'nough!'
Instead, it's always 'Hey' y'all! Watch this!'"
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Ian Argent
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-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com
[mailto:shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Phillip
Gawlowski
Sent: 2003-June-13 03:16
To: Shadowrun Discussion
Subject: Re: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?

Am Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:11:19 -0700 hat Paolo Marcucci
<paolo@*************.com> geschrieben:

>> And to clarify, Grounding was an SR2 rule that was dropped from SR3.
>
> Sniffle.... :(

Establish a house rule.

--
Phillip Gawlowski
Bastard GameMaster from Hell and GeneralIdiot

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developers@***********.net
Message no. 38
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:38:16 +1000 (EST)
--- Simon & Fiona <sf_fuller@********.com.au> wrote:
> I've decided that dragons don't have nipples.
> Instead, they have small
> sensory organs on their underbellies designed to
> locate precious metals. It
> is good for their scales to lie on gold-rich ground,
> you see. This is why
> dragons sleep on hoards of gold. Some dragons enjoy
> the sensation so much
> that they peirce the organs with golden jewellry so
> they have a constant
> sensation.
> These organs just happen to be in roughly the same
> place a human's nipples
> would be.

:)that's soooo cool, brings me back to the good ol'
days of reading about Smaug the dragon, he was my
favourite as a kid, I miss descriptions of dragons in
this way :)

GZ

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Message no. 39
From: cmd_jackryan@***.net (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: Perverted lizards of the 6th world?
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:50:24 +0200
Am Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:38:16 +1000 (EST) hat Robert Ennew
<robertennew@*****.com.au> geschrieben:

>
> :)that's soooo cool, brings me back to the good ol'
> days of reading about Smaug the dragon, he was my
> favourite as a kid, I miss descriptions of dragons in
> this way :)

Start GMing...

Man, I tortured my group in an UV-host sculpted like the library of the
Unseen University...

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