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Message no. 1
From: "Ravene Ladrona (Martin Roth)" <roth@****.CCDS.CHARLOTTE.NC.US>
Subject: Phys Ads and perception
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 21:41:37 -0400
Alright chummers, got a question for ya. Where in the book (SRII) does it
tell about Physical Adepts, can't seem to find it. (bad bad bad bad bad).
A friend of mine, who I'm trying to convert from AD&D, wants to be a
ninja type Runner. Also, does the stealth skill affect the perception
test. It seems to me that it would, but the book (SRII) doesn't seem to
say anything about it. What do ya say?

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Phys Ads and perception
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 12:54:39 +0200
>Alright chummers, got a question for ya. Where in the book (SRII) does it
>tell about Physical Adepts, can't seem to find it. (bad bad bad bad bad).

It starts on page 124 of my hardcover edition, and ends on page 126. Also
see page34 of the Grimoire II for some extra powers, though I think they're
not all that good.

>A friend of mine, who I'm trying to convert from AD&D, wants to be a
>ninja type Runner.

This would be a very nice one as a physical adept, IMHO.

>Also, does the stealth skill affect the perception test.

In what way do you mean?


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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Phys Ads and perception
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 11:59:08 +0200
>For instance, if he wanted to sneak up
>on a guard from the shadows, a perception test is made for the guard,
>right?! Well, what if my friend has made a number of successes on his
>stealth skill test. How does this affect the guard's percetion test to
>see if he can notice the phys ad?????

Ah. Now I see what you mean. I'd say it's an opposed test between the
Stealth skill of the character and the Perception of the guard. And, as the
SR2 book explains, in an opposed test the person with the highest number of
successes wins.

As an example, Jane Average rolls a Stealth skill test to get past Joe
Public unnoticed. Her Stealth skill is 5, and Joe's Perception is 4. I'd say
Jane has to roll 4s (Joe's Perception), while Joe has to roll 5s. If both
Jane and Joe roll 3 successes, Jane succeeds (ties go to the "attacker"),
but if Joe rolls 3 and Jane only 2, Joe hears/sees/smells Jane coming. Did
this make it clearer a bit?


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Message no. 4
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Phys Ads and perception
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 00:21:02 +1000
Gurth writes:

> Ah. Now I see what you mean. I'd say it's an opposed test between the
> Stealth skill of the character and the Perception of the guard. And, as the
> SR2 book explains, in an opposed test the person with the highest number of
> successes wins.

It runs into a couple of problems when you begin defaulting to other skills
or attributes though. I think the opposed success test with both sides
looking for a TN of 4 (modified by various effects) is a better solution.

As an example, say we have Paul, the unstealthy, but very quick magician,
who has a Quickness of 10 but no Stealth skill. Say he's trying to sneak past
Mr Bozo the grumpy guard, who has an Intelligence of 3. Paul rolls his 10
Quickness dice against a TN of 8 (base 4 +4 for defaulting), and Bozo rolls
his 3 dice against a TN of 4. This is assuming no modifiers for other
effects such as wounds or visibility. You see the difference between this
and an opposed success test using each others Skill/Attribute as the TN? [If
we were to use your suggested method, then Paul would be needing 7's, and
Bozo 10's].

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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Phys Ads and perception
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 10:59:48 +0200
>It runs into a couple of problems when you begin defaulting to other skills
>or attributes though. I think the opposed success test with both sides
>looking for a TN of 4 (modified by various effects) is a better solution.

OK, then let's call it an opposed test between Stealth skill and Perception,
but both against a TN of 4. That should solve it all, wouldn't it?


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Message no. 6
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Phys Ads and perception
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:46:03 +1000
Gurth writes:

> OK, then let's call it an opposed test between Stealth skill and Perception,
> but both against a TN of 4. That should solve it all, wouldn't it?

As far as I can see it would, yeah.

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