Back to the main page

Mailing List Logs for ShadowRN

Message no. 1
From: Forbidden Delirium <fdelirum@****.NET>
Subject: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:20:08 -0500
I just a few simple questions about Physical Adepts and Initiation ( I
seem to have two of them pestering me this campaign.. sigh).

Are the only things a Physical Adept gains with Initiation Centering and
more magic points to spend? I've skimmed through the grimoire a few times
and it seems like Physical Adepts were added to the book in retrospect.. as
if "Hey damn.. we need to put Adepts in here somewhere.." :)

Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?

fd
Message no. 2
From: Timothy P Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:31:34 -0800
>
> I just a few simple questions about Physical Adepts and Initiation ( I
> seem to have two of them pestering me this campaign.. sigh).
>
> Are the only things a Physical Adept gains with Initiation Centering and
> more magic points to spend? I've skimmed through the grimoire a few times
> and it seems like Physical Adepts were added to the book in retrospect.. as
> if "Hey damn.. we need to put Adepts in here somewhere.." :)
>
> Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?
>
> fd

Don't forget that if your Physad has Astral Perception, he/she gains Masking and the
bonus to Astral Pool.

After thought? Maybe...

I don't see too many problems with them joing Shaman/Mage Initiates, provided the
group "charter" includes the provision.

Is there any precedence for this in any of the other continental/regional source
books (i.e. any of the Tir books, there seem to be lots of groups and adepts used
through out them..)? I don't own any.

~Tim
Message no. 3
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:31:19 -0700
> Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?
>
> fd

It depends on the structure of the group...some groups are strictly mages,
shamans, or even strictly physads. Some groups have all three. Make a
group (or have your GM design one if you are not the GM) to fit your needs
and then have your character(s) search the shadows until they find the
right group for them.


Caric
Message no. 4
From: John Pederson <Canthros@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:45:34 -0500
In a message dated 96-11-18 16:24:33 EST, you write:

>
> I just a few simple questions about Physical Adepts and Initiation (
>I
>seem to have two of them pestering me this campaign.. sigh).
>
> Are the only things a Physical Adept gains with Initiation Centering
>and
>more magic points to spend? I've skimmed through the grimoire a few times
No...they just don't get automatica access to anything that requires access
to the Astral plane...if they have the Astral Perception power, they will get
access to everything except metaplanar quests, Anchoring and Quickening,
because those require either spell-tossing ability or Astral Projection...
>and it seems like Physical Adepts were added to the book in retrospect.. as
>if "Hey damn.. we need to put Adepts in here somewhere.." :)
>
> Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?
>
AFAIK, yes...there is some sort of penalty, though...this isn't addressed in
the Grimmy, but I think someone once said it was mentioned in
Awakenings...(don't flame me if I'm wrong-I don't have Awakenings and I've
only got a borrowed copy of the Grimoire II)
>fd


John Pederson "God is dead"
canthros@***.com -Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 to 1900)
lobo1@****.com "Nietzsche is dead"
http://members.gnn.com/lenoj/johns.htm -God (everlasting to everlasting)

"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Message no. 5
From: mike.paff@*****.COM
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:40:05 -0800
> > Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?
> >
> AFAIK, yes...there is some sort of penalty, though...this isn't addressed in
> the Grimmy, but I think someone once said it was mentioned in
> Awakenings...

I don't have the page # handy, but according to Awakenings there is an
additional +2 to the TN required to create the group if PAs are to be
allowed to join along with mages and/or shamans. I'm not certain, but
this penalty may only apply if the PA(s) aren't required to have
Astral Perception (I recall some reference to "Astral dead wood" in the
discussion).

Mike
Message no. 6
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:32:42 GMT
Forbidden Delirium writes

> I just a few simple questions about Physical Adepts and Initiation ( I
> seem to have two of them pestering me this campaign.. sigh).
>
GR2 is not good on this subject, Awakenings sorts out most of the
problems.

> Are the only things a Physical Adept gains with Initiation Centering and
> more magic points to spend?
You also get masking.
You cannot use quickening/anchoring (reqire spell casting)
no shielding (requires spell defence)
no dispelling (i think - based off active sorcery)

Shamanic type adepts get 'vision quest' initation ordeal.
Same as all adepts you don't get as much as a full magician.

> I've skimmed through the grimoire a few times
> and it seems like Physical Adepts were added to the book in retrospect.. as
> if "Hey damn.. we need to put Adepts in here somewhere.." :)
>
Much improved in awakenings, not so much that as they didn't put it
explicity they relyed on the gM sitting down and working things out,
which can be done its just could be easier.

> Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?
>
Assuming there is no 'no adepts limitation', yes.
If the adept has astral perception no problem, if they don't another
+2 to the 'from the group' roll as for another magical tradition.
again see awakenings.

> fd
>

Mark
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:51:58 +0100
Forbidden Delirium said on 16:20/18 Nov 96...

> Are the only things a Physical Adept gains with Initiation Centering and
> more magic points to spend? I've skimmed through the grimoire a few times
> and it seems like Physical Adepts were added to the book in retrospect.. as
> if "Hey damn.. we need to put Adepts in here somewhere.." :)

That's about it, yes. Oh, and they get Masking too (yes, even if they
don't have astral perception power).

> Can a Physical Adept join a group of Shamans/Mage Initiates?

Depends on who the group allows to join, I think. A shamanic adept would
probably be able to join a group of shamans in my game, but I think it's
mostly a matter of what the specific group (= the GM) allows.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
That's when it all gets blown away.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1:
GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+ PE
Y PGP- t(+) 5+ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Message no. 8
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:32:48 +0000
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Forbidden Delirium wrote:

> Are the only things a Physical Adept gains with Initiation Centering and
> more magic points to spend? I've skimmed through the grimoire a few times
> and it seems like Physical Adepts were added to the book in retrospect.. as
> if "Hey damn.. we need to put Adepts in here somewhere.." :)

Per Awakenings (and as a few list members have stated) PhysAds get Masking
and Centreing (how the hell do us English spell that word?).

My House rule is that PhysAds get Centring as normal, but only get Masking
if they have Astral Perception. I do however allow them a partial
Shielding ability.

Teh PhysAD shielding is limited solely to their Inititae Grade, even if
they have Sorcery. They can only ever use it on themselves as well. This
doesn't give too big an advantage but will allow the PhysAd to bring teh
balance between the Street SAm and the Magic User.


The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 9
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Physical Adepts & Initiation?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:44:25 UT
>Per Awakenings (and as a few list members have stated) PhysAds get >Masking
>and Centreing (how the hell do us English spell that word?).
<Tim Scrambles for the dictionary> and it's not in there :-( Well it was only
the dictionary I was rpesented when I left Primary school, < But then storke
of genius spell check :) It's official (at least by ms exchange that Centering
is spelt c-e-n-t-e-r-i-n-g. and one last thing, another Brit wow I thougt I
was the only one here (Arrogant I know but also paranoid.)
>The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
Does the last bit mean you are from Bath, or do you just use the server?
>"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
>Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun

Further Reading

If you enjoyed reading about Physical Adepts & Initiation?, you may also be interested in:

Disclaimer

These messages were posted a long time ago on a mailing list far, far away. The copyright to their contents probably lies with the original authors of the individual messages, but since they were published in an electronic forum that anyone could subscribe to, and the logs were available to subscribers and most likely non-subscribers as well, it's felt that re-publishing them here is a kind of public service.

Thwap!