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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Sun Feb 17 22:15:01 2002
Ok if there aren't such a thing as physical mages AND physical adepts
can someone please tell me where my players read something about
physical mages keeping in mind that the players don't have any of the
pre 3rd edition books nor do they have access to the very few of mine
that I do have.

This is not a smartass statement or in any way meant to be in any manner
other than sincere, it's a serious question from all of my players
because we all know we've read about them (this of course does exclude
you mark)
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Justin Bell)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Sun Feb 17 22:20:01 2002
At 09:15 PM 2/17/2002 -0600, Derek Hyde wrote:
>Ok if there aren't such a thing as physical mages AND physical adepts
>can someone please tell me where my players read something about
>physical mages keeping in mind that the players don't have any of the
>pre 3rd edition books nor do they have access to the very few of mine
>that I do have.

Grimoire II
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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Sun Feb 17 22:30:01 2002
> Grimoire II

Missed the part about 3rd edition books only
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 00:40:01 2002
> At 09:15 PM 2/17/2002 -0600, Derek Hyde wrote:
> >Ok if there aren't such a thing as physical mages
AND physical adepts can someone please tell me where
my players read something about physical mages keeping
in mind that the players don't have any of the pre 3rd
edition books nor do they have access to the very few
of mine that I do have.
>
> Grimoire II
> Justin Bell

Nope, try again.

That would be "Awakenings". Which IS a 2nd edition
book, Derek - it's also the only book in which the
term 'physical mage' was ever used. These guys were
changed to 'magical adepts' in 3rd edition.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 05:30:04 2002
According to Justin Bell, on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> >Ok if there aren't such a thing as physical mages AND physical adepts
> >can someone please tell me where my players read something about
> >physical mages keeping in mind that the players don't have any of the
> >pre 3rd edition books nor do they have access to the very few of mine
> >that I do have.
>
> Grimoire II

That's a second-edition book, to which Derek said his players don't have
access; it's also not the book that introduced physical magicians -- that
was Awakenings, another second-edition book :)

Maybe your players have read something about magicians on the physical
plane, where a book could refer to "physical magicians." Or maybe they
misremembered the wording of a reference like that.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Keith Duthie)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 05:50:01 2002
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Gurth wrote:

> Maybe your players have read something about magicians on the physical
> plane, where a book could refer to "physical magicians." Or maybe they
> misremembered the wording of a reference like that.

Much more likely they got it from hanging around old-timers, whether
online or in person. Sort of like the way I often say "physical adepts"
when I mean "adepts", despite never having actually played anything other
than third edition...

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 11:00:02 2002
> That would be "Awakenings". Which IS a 2nd edition
> book, Derek - it's also the only book in which the
> term 'physical mage' was ever used. These guys were
> changed to 'magical adepts' in 3rd edition.

You're 150% sure? I personally have never seen that book and I've seen
the term somewhere, regardless there is still the type of mage that
chooses to cast spells in a manner similar to a phys ad correct?
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 11:00:05 2002
> Much more likely they got it from hanging around old-timers, whether
> online or in person. Sort of like the way I often say "physical
adepts"
> when I mean "adepts", despite never having actually played anything
other
> than third edition...

nope....like I said.....we're positive we've seen it in a book....and if
doc's right and that was only listed in awakenings then umm....we're all
sharing this really bad power of ESP cause with the exception of the new
players that 1 of the 2 actually did play 2nd edition the rest of us
have never had a 2nd edition book
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 22:25:01 2002
> You're 150% sure? I personally have never seen that
book and I've seen the term somewhere, regardless
there is still the type of mage that chooses to cast
spells in a manner similar to a phys ad correct?

Okay, let me rephrase slightly. I'm 150% sure that
term has NEVER appeared in any 3rd edition books. It
MAY have cropped up somewhere besides Awakenings in
SRII. I'm 90% sure it didn't, though. Phys mages were
optional characters back then.

Just to correct you, physical mages were mages with
some physad powers. Magical adepts are adepts that can
cast some spells.

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Joshua Mun)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Mon Feb 18 23:55:02 2002
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> > You're 150% sure? I personally have never seen that
> book and I've seen the term somewhere, regardless
> there is still the type of mage that chooses to cast
> spells in a manner similar to a phys ad correct?
>
> Okay, let me rephrase slightly. I'm 150% sure that
> term has NEVER appeared in any 3rd edition books. It
> MAY have cropped up somewhere besides Awakenings in
> SRII. I'm 90% sure it didn't, though. Phys mages were
> optional characters back then.
>
> Just to correct you, physical mages were mages with
> some physad powers. Magical adepts are adepts that can
> cast some spells.
>
Actually Awakenings is very ambiguous as to whether an physical mage is
an adept who cast spells or a mage with physad powers. Is one place it
talks about searching for mythical physads and finding physical mages
and in another is says they are mages who also focus on their physical
body. The rules for creating them are most like those for creating
physads, and concentrate on differentiating them from physads.

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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Tue Feb 19 00:55:02 2002
<snipt!(TM)>
> Actually Awakenings is very ambiguous as to whether
an physical mage is an adept who cast spells or a mage
with physad powers. Is one place it talks about
searching for mythical physads and finding physical
mages and in another is says they are mages who also
focus on their physical body. The rules for creating
them are most like those for creating physads, and
concentrate on differentiating them from physads.

You could be right there, Joshua - it's been some time
since I read the rules. I think what I'm going on is
my remembrance that "physical mages are priority A",
which seemed to be used to infer that they were closer
to mages than adepts.

No big deal, in the great scheme of things - as of
SR3, they ARE adepts, albeit ones that cost a bit more
than regular adepts.

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Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Tue Feb 19 05:05:06 2002
According to Rand Ratinac, on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> Just to correct you, physical mages were mages with
> some physad powers. Magical adepts are adepts that can
> cast some spells.

But the net result is the same.

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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Physical Mages (was something else)
Date: Tue Feb 19 06:30:01 2002
> > Just to correct you, physical mages were mages
with some physad powers. Magical adepts are adepts
that can cast some spells.
>
> But the net result is the same.
> Gurth@******.nl -

Mostly yes, but somewhat no. Of course, the
differences could simply be down to a change in
edition, rather than a different way of looking at the
character. *shrug* Tough to tell. Doesn't really
matter, except to the pedantic. Like me. ;)

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