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Message no. 1
From: Herbert Wolverson <hfw373s@***.SMSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:10:41 -0500
Hello!

> Actually, the eyebrow was less painful than giving blood, overall. It
> hurt about the same, but for a much shorter time. It's not the least
> painful facial piercing, but I would do it again, no problem.

I got put off piercing when two friends of mine with genital
rings got locked together at a rather intimate moment and had
to resort to wire cutters. :-)

How does it compare to tattooing in terms of pain, any idea?

BTW, more on topic, in response to someone's question (whose
message I lost), I have several characters with this sort of
detail, although I'll only describe it if the piercing is
somewhere people can see. <grin>

Take care,
Bracket.

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Message no. 2
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:23:49 PDT
>How does it compare to tattooing in terms of pain, any idea?

Compare stubbing your toe to holding your hand in VERY hot water.
The tatoo is long and annoying, the peircung quick and shocking. But
neither is "more" painful than the other, or generally unbearable.

-Mongoose

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Message no. 3
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:27:43 -0400
At 05:23 PM 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>How does it compare to tattooing in terms of pain, any idea?
>
> Compare stubbing your toe to holding your hand in VERY hot water.
>The tatoo is long and annoying, the peircung quick and shocking. But
>neither is "more" painful than the other, or generally unbearable.

What does all this have to do with SR.
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"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can
be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
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Message no. 4
From: Sheldon Rose <scrose@****.COM>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:28:07 -0500
Herbert Wolverson wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> > Actually, the eyebrow was less painful than giving blood, overall. It
> > hurt about the same, but for a much shorter time. It's not the least
> > painful facial piercing, but I would do it again, no problem.
>
> I got put off piercing when two friends of mine with genital
> rings got locked together at a rather intimate moment and had
> to resort to wire cutters. :-)
>
> How does it compare to tattooing in terms of pain, any idea?

Tattoo's hurt for a longer period of time. They hurt the whole time they
are being done. A piercing only hurts for about 30 seconds give or take.
They both hurt and itch when they are healing but that is another story
entirely...

> BTW, more on topic, in response to someone's question (whose
> message I lost), I have several characters with this sort of
> detail, although I'll only describe it if the piercing is
> somewhere people can see. <grin>

Case in point many of the mages in my game have several piercings. For
those who missed the my orginal post on this topic some weeks back. I
created an enchanting circle that uses and creates body piercing jewelry
as power and assorted other foci... They also use tattoo's which are
not magical but do designate what grade the mage has gotten to in the
circle.
Message no. 5
From: Sheldon Rose <scrose@****.COM>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:40:09 -0500
NightLife wrote:
>
> At 05:23 PM 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >>How does it compare to tattooing in terms of pain, any idea?
> >
> > Compare stubbing your toe to holding your hand in VERY hot water.
> >The tatoo is long and annoying, the peircung quick and shocking. But
> >neither is "more" painful than the other, or generally unbearable.
>
> What does all this have to do with SR.

In my game a great deal because of the magical order I created in which
these things are nessary to increase in grade. Getting the Tattoo's and
piercing are part of the ordeal that the members must endure. When
members of this enchanting circle whant to advance more extra holes and
more ink. For that matter they are required to even become members at
all. Players wishing to join this circle had better understand the pain
and suffering they are required to endure. They have to make several
rolls in this process. Just having the Karma is not enough you have to
want the magic too These are willpower rolls mostly.
Message no. 6
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:29:11 -0500
> Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR)) (NightLife , Thu 21:27)
>
> At 05:23 PM 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >>How does it compare to tattooing in terms of pain, any idea?
> >
> > Compare stubbing your toe to holding your hand in VERY hot water.
> >The tatoo is long and annoying, the peircung quick and shocking. But
> >neither is "more" painful than the other, or generally unbearable.
>
> What does all this have to do with SR.

Damn, your right (and the other two Posts I made actually touched on
topis related to SR (a quote, and a jewelry idea). :)

<g> OK, here's SR rules for peircing and tatoos-

A major body piercing (12 guage neadle / jewelry in the genitalia,
frex) generally causes 6l physical and 6m stun. Succeses from the
piercers test reduce the power by 1 per succces, add dice to healing
tests, and acuraccy of placement. Lesser peircings genrally only cause
light stun.
I actually had a character with a trauma damper who would do this for
the endorphin rush...

Tattooing, OTOH, causes same damage per hour of work. The damage can
be reduced (1 per 2 succeses- its harder to learn to do well), but good
tatooists also work faster, reducing time. Yes, 6 straight hours of
tatooing will MESS YOU UP (maybe not this bad, but week long tatooing
rituals done in Samoa can KILL the recipient).
Both skills are covered by the "body arts" concentration of biotech,
and are seperate specializations (desinging/ apllying an atractive tatoo
is a sperate artistic skill, as is knowledge of which peircings
"function" well.)

These damage amounts are a little extreme (but from my expewirience-
I'd avoid driving for an hour after either, due to dizzyness,and get a
ride home from a tatoo that takes more than 1 hour), but at least its on
topic now....

-Mongoose X
Message no. 7
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:25:51 -0500
>
> Herbert Wolverson wrote:
> >
>
> > BTW, more on topic, in response to someone's question (whose
> > message I lost), I have several characters with this sort of
> > detail, although I'll only describe it if the piercing is
> > somewhere people can see. <grin>
>
> Case in point many of the mages in my game have several piercings. For
> those who missed the my orginal post on this topic some weeks back. I
> created an enchanting circle that uses and creates body piercing jewelry
> as power and assorted other foci... They also use tattoo's which are
> not magical but do designate what grade the mage has gotten to in the
> circle.
>
Heh...I'm not sure if my friend Mr. Keith is on the list or not (He
used to be subscribed via digest form), but he had a wonderful hyena
shaman, that would fit perfectly in this discussion. He has body
piercing as his centering skill, and enjoyed body piercing, carving,
tatooing, etc. The best part was when he kept piercing certain choicer
pieces of his anatomy in an attempt to summon a real powerful spirit
and kept failing. :) Last time I left those characters they were
sorrounded by security guards, with more on the way 2 down, and 2 wounded.
And lots of firepower. Figured the blaze of glory thing, may take on
new meaning one of these days.
-L
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Message no. 8
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:21:28 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.net>


> Damn, your right (and the other two Posts I made actually touched
on
>topis related to SR (a quote, and a jewelry idea). :)
>
> <g> OK, here's SR rules for peircing and tatoos-
>
> A major body piercing (12 guage neadle / jewelry in the genitalia,
>frex) generally causes 6l physical and 6m stun. Succeses from the
>piercers test reduce the power by 1 per succces, add dice to healing
>tests, and acuraccy of placement. Lesser peircings genrally only cause
>light stun.
> I actually had a character with a trauma damper who would do this
for
>the endorphin rush...
>
> Tattooing, OTOH, causes same damage per hour of work. The damage
can
>be reduced (1 per 2 succeses- its harder to learn to do well), but good
>tatooists also work faster, reducing time. Yes, 6 straight hours of
>tatooing will MESS YOU UP (maybe not this bad, but week long tatooing
>rituals done in Samoa can KILL the recipient).
> Both skills are covered by the "body arts" concentration of
biotech,
>and are seperate specializations (desinging/ apllying an atractive tatoo
>is a sperate artistic skill, as is knowledge of which peircings
>"function" well.)
>


Additionally on-topic, I was going through Mike Hartman's (I think I got the
name right) Shadowrun Character Generator, and under Cyberware (Why there I
have no idea) there was a listing for Tattoo with a cost of 10 nuyen and .05
(or .005) essence. Anyone know if this was just something that he decided
on his own to through in, or is it out there in FASA land?

Wraith
Message no. 9
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:08:16 -0600
At 10:21 15/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Additionally on-topic, I was going through Mike Hartman's (I think I got the
>name right) Shadowrun Character Generator, and under Cyberware (Why there I
>have no idea) there was a listing for Tattoo with a cost of 10 nuyen and .05
>(or .005) essence. Anyone know if this was just something that he decided
>on his own to through in, or is it out there in FASA land?

Probably from one of the Plastic Warrior books.

The new SRCG will make it possible to allow or disallow those books as
wanted, or even not have them listed at all. And we'll be able to add new
books as they are released via XML.

And it will even be out before Shadowrun 3 :)

And the Shadowrun 3 version will be out before most of you have Shadowrun 3 :)

-J
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Message no. 10
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:10:27 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
>Probably from one of the Plastic Warrior books.
>
>The new SRCG will make it possible to allow or disallow those books as
>wanted, or even not have them listed at all. And we'll be able to add new
>books as they are released via XML.
>
>And it will even be out before Shadowrun 3 :)
>
>And the Shadowrun 3 version will be out before most of you have Shadowrun 3
:)
>


Kewl, I was hoping there was going to be another version of it. I like the
program. Heh, the SR4 version will probably be out before I can get the SR3
book, since I go to boot camp in early September :)

Wraith
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:30:50 +0100
Wraith said on 10:21/15 May 98...

> Additionally on-topic, I was going through Mike Hartman's (I think I got the
> name right) Shadowrun Character Generator, and under Cyberware (Why there I
> have no idea) there was a listing for Tattoo with a cost of 10 nuyen and .05
> (or .005) essence. Anyone know if this was just something that he decided
> on his own to through in, or is it out there in FASA land?

Unless I'm mistaken, that would be one of my CP2020 conversion items. It's
not a real tattoo, but a fluorescent image placed under the skin. .05
seemed like a good enough Essence cost to me.

<plug>
(In case you haven't got those conversions, go to the Plastic Warriors
page, URL below, and spend some time downloading the various
net.sourcebooks there.)
</plug>

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Message no. 12
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: piercing (was: freakdom and SR))
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:47:35 -0500
>
> These damage amounts are a little extreme (but from my
expewirience-
>I'd avoid driving for an hour after either, due to dizzyness,and get a
>ride home from a tatoo that takes more than 1 hour), but at least its
on
>topic now....
>


I dunno, would you use the same range for pain for having dental work
done? I would much rather get a tatoo that some of the cavities I have
had filled.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...

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