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Message no. 1
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Plastic Warriors
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:24:58 +1000
I just thought that I should say that I had never actually seen any of the
Plastic Warriors stuff before, until I downloaded most of it yesterday.
After reading through it, I must say it is a job well done. Good on you
Gurth and everyone else that helped (if they are on the list). They will
become a part of my core sourcebooks.

Ray
Message no. 2
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Plastic Warriors
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:23:27 EST
Does anyone have these formatted for Letter (American) size paper?

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 3
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:21:35 -0700
At 18:23 21/01/98 EST, you wrote:
>Does anyone have these formatted for Letter (American) size paper?

I have them on my HD formatted like that, and I didn't do them myself.. try
Morrigu's FTP site (Which isn't really a FTP site, but hey). It's on the
webring, somewhere between numbers 100-150. I'm pretty sure that's where I
grabbed the letter version of the PW books :)

-Adam
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Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:34:43 +1000
Brett Borger writes:
>Does anyone have these formatted for Letter (American) size paper?

Oh don't let Gurth hear you say that... unless he's changed a lot. I STILL
remember the firestorm about that when they came out.

Seriously, though... Someone at the time said they'd convert them, however
if you get the Word 6 version, you can readily reformat them yourself. If
you don't have a copy of Word 6, get the freeware Word 6 Viewer from the
Microsoft web site, change the page setup, and print. It won't be a perfect
job, but it will fit on the page.

Better yet, standardise with the result of the world and print it to A4.

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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:56:47 +0100
Brett Borger said on 18:23/21 Jan 98...

> Does anyone have these formatted for Letter (American) size paper?

AFAIK the only site that had them converted to Letter format disappeared
without telling me about it :( I don't have the space at my account to out
up two versions of everything; I could get more space but it'll cost way
too much (half the base subscription rate for every 5 MB extra...)

However, re-formatting documents for Letter paper size isn't all that
difficult. It's easiest if you fiddle with the margins so the actual text
area remains the same size as on A4 paper, but that isn't always possible,
mainly for the top and bottom margins. There's a Troubleshooting file on
my page that explains the important things to pay attention to.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:56:47 +0100
Robert Watkins said on 10:34/22 Jan 98...

> Oh don't let Gurth hear you say that... unless he's changed a lot. I STILL
> remember the firestorm about that when they came out.

Strange, I don't... :)

> Seriously, though... Someone at the time said they'd convert them, however
> if you get the Word 6 version, you can readily reformat them yourself. If
> you don't have a copy of Word 6, get the freeware Word 6 Viewer from the
> Microsoft web site, change the page setup, and print. It won't be a perfect
> job, but it will fit on the page.

The files on my page are in RTF format now, not Word 6 anymore. I changed
them last year or so to make them more easily readable by other word
processors on various OS's. Like I said in another message, it's not
difficult to change them. Mainly it involves adding hard page endings
(usually inserted by pressing Ctrl+Enter) and/or removing them.

> Better yet, standardise with the result of the world and print it to A4.

Are you aware you're asking an AMERICAN to adapt to the rest of the world?
*grin*

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Message no. 7
From: Hedley <hedley@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:29:52 -0600
On 1/21/98 at 11:17 Brett Borger wrote:


>Does anyone have these formatted for Letter (American) size paper?
>
>-=SwiftOne=-

They're available on my site at
http://box.pcnetinc.com/hedley/shadowrun/plastic.htm

Hedley
Message no. 8
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:54:07 EST
> > Better yet, standardise with the result of the world and print it to A4.
>
> Are you aware you're asking an AMERICAN to adapt to the rest of the
> world?
> *grin*

Hey guys, tell it to the office printer which doesn't have A4 paper.

(Better yet, don't tell them, as it will become obvious who is
running 100+ page documents off of the office laser printer....)

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 9
From: Oliver McDonald <oliver@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:52:17 +0800
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:56:47 +0100, Gurth wrote:

>> Better yet, standardise with the result of the world and print it to A4.
>
>Are you aware you're asking an AMERICAN to adapt to the rest of the world?
>*grin*

The real problem in N.A. is finding a4 paper at a reasonable price...

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Message no. 10
From: Les Ward <lward@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:09:37 -0500
Gurth said:
>AFAIK the only site that had them converted to Letter format disappeared
>without telling me about it :( I don't have the space at my account to out
>up two versions of everything; I could get more space but it'll cost way
>too much (half the base subscription rate for every 5 MB extra...)

If anyone converts these files, let me know. I'll put them up on Thor, my
ftp site (thor.flashpt.com). It's slow but has no disk quota. Send me mail
privately.

Wordman
wordman@*****.com
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:58:13 +0100
Oliver McDonald said on 2:52/23 Jan 98...

> >Are you aware you're asking an AMERICAN to adapt to the rest of the world?
> >*grin*
>
> The real problem in N.A. is finding a4 paper at a reasonable price...

That's all the same problem, isn't it? You can't find it because nobody
uses it, and nobody uses it because they can't find it...

However, my policy is that if Americans don't bother to make
net.sourcebooks for A4 paper, then I (usually) won't bother making
net.sourcebooks for Letter paper :)

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Message no. 12
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:07:32 +0000
> That's all the same problem, isn't it? You can't find it because nobody
> uses it, and nobody uses it because they can't find it...

But it differs on the individual level. Some don't use it 'cuz we're
Americans and G*d D**n it the rest of the world better come to our
way. Some of us will acknowledge a standard if the world has it, but
when it requires that we cease to eat to afford that standard....

> However, my policy is that if Americans don't bother to make
> net.sourcebooks for A4 paper, then I (usually) won't bother making
> net.sourcebooks for Letter paper :)

...which has the minor difference that Letter format can be printed
on A4, but not visa versa....

Thus, if I ever write a net.book, I'll format for letter since it'll
print on both. Of course, I've only ever printed A4 once, so if you
people with the "real" standard can offer a good argument for the
opposite, I'll take the time to reformat and do in both.

-=SwiftOne=-
(who hasn't written any net.books, so he has an easy time talking)
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 13
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:14:38 -0700
Brett Borger wrote:
/
/ Gurth wrote:
/
/ > However, my policy is that if Americans don't bother to make
/ > net.sourcebooks for A4 paper, then I (usually) won't bother making
/ > net.sourcebooks for Letter paper :)
/
/ ...which has the minor difference that Letter format can be printed
/ on A4, but not visa versa....

Hmm.. I downloaded and printed some of Gurth's net.sourcebooks and
didn't have any problems. I just told Word97 that I was using Letter
instead of A4 and it printed just fine <shrug>.

/ -=SwiftOne=-
/ (who hasn't written any net.books, so he has an easy time talking)

:)

-David
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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:14:24 +0100
Brett Borger said on 11:07/26 Jan 98...

> > That's all the same problem, isn't it? You can't find it because nobody
> > uses it, and nobody uses it because they can't find it...
>
> But it differs on the individual level. Some don't use it 'cuz we're
> Americans and G*d D**n it the rest of the world better come to our
> way.

Those are the annoying ones :)

> Some of us will acknowledge a standard if the world has it, but when it
> requires that we cease to eat to afford that standard....

Those are the over-reacting ones :)

> > However, my policy is that if Americans don't bother to make
> > net.sourcebooks for A4 paper, then I (usually) won't bother making
> > net.sourcebooks for Letter paper :)
>
> ...which has the minor difference that Letter format can be printed
> on A4, but not visa versa....

True, but it's not all that handy. Letter is shorter and slightly wider
than A4, so you'll end up with a very large bottom margin, and if the
contents of the Letter page get close to the long edges of the paper, it
won't print everything.

BTW, an HP Deskjet 520 has an additional 6 mm margin on the sides where it
won't print, regardless of paper size. Printing Letter to an A4 paper
effectively chops about a centimeter off of one side, not 6 mm :(

> Thus, if I ever write a net.book, I'll format for letter since it'll
> print on both. Of course, I've only ever printed A4 once, so if you
> people with the "real" standard can offer a good argument for the
> opposite, I'll take the time to reformat and do in both.

My argument is that it simply works and looks better if you print on the
paper the document is formatted for. Unfortunately that'll mean bringing
out two versions (the more involved option), or setting the margins in
such a way that either paper will work (the easier option).

> (who hasn't written any net.books, so he has an easy time talking)

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about :)

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Message no. 15
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:49:31 -0700
At 20:14 26/01/98 +0100, you wrote:
>BTW, an HP Deskjet 520 has an additional 6 mm margin on the sides where it
>won't print, regardless of paper size. Printing Letter to an A4 paper
>effectively chops about a centimeter off of one side, not 6 mm :(

And a Deskjet 500C has a dead area near the bottom. (Which is one reason
why anything I produce in RTF/DOC/PDF has alot of space near the bottom
margin, because I print them on my printer, and want them to look decent
when I do that.. :)

>> (who hasn't written any net.books, so he has an easy time talking)
>
>Trust me, I know what I'm talking about :)

Same, although to a less fancy degree :)

-Adam
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Message no. 16
From: Zixx <t_berghoff@*********.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:10:51 +0000
On 26 Jan 98 at 11:07, Brett Borger wrote:


> > However, my policy is that if Americans don't bother to make
> > net.sourcebooks for A4 paper, then I (usually) won't bother making
> > net.sourcebooks for Letter paper :)
>
> ...which has the minor difference that Letter format can be printed
> on A4, but not visa versa....

Try tell a HP Laserjet 5. If it's marked as letter, it wants letter.
Period. Sure reformatting works, but so does A4->letter....



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Message no. 17
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:49:16 +0000
Hoi.

As there have been problems accessing Gurth's great Plastic Warriors
Net.Book series, I quickly shoveled free some megabytes of disk space,
and set up a mirror site.

For more info, see
ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/pub/roleplay/shadowrun/plastic/

the file 00readme lists all the present formats and books.

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Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:50:55 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 16:49/ 2 Feb 98...

> As there have been problems accessing Gurth's great Plastic Warriors
> Net.Book series, I quickly shoveled free some megabytes of disk space,
> and set up a mirror site.

First of all thanks to Sascha, and second I'll mention that there are also
links to the individual books there from my site (at least, I hope they
work because I didn't test them...).

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Message no. 19
From: Grahamdrew <grahamdrew@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:33:57 -0500
Sorry if someone might have already gotten to this, I never got to the
end of the old thread about the A4 formating, but does anyone have a
list of mirrors that have the Plastic Warriors formatted for 8.5"x11"
American Letter. Scanned through em and it looks likle they kick, but I
don't exactly wanna GM next session running back and forth checking
Word.
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Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:36:47 +0100
Grahamdrew said on 16:33/ 2 Feb 98...

> Sorry if someone might have already gotten to this, I never got to the
> end of the old thread about the A4 formating, but does anyone have a
> list of mirrors that have the Plastic Warriors formatted for 8.5"x11"
> American Letter. Scanned through em and it looks likle they kick, but I
> don't exactly wanna GM next session running back and forth checking
> Word.

As I said last week or so, the site that held the Letter versions seems to
have disappeared. I am planning on making Letter conversions at some point
in the not too distant future, but ATM I'm a bit busy with other things to
do that right now.

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Sloan Poa!
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
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-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

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Message no. 21
From: Hedley <hedley@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:38:09 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 22:44
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors


>Grahamdrew said on 16:33/ 2 Feb 98...
>
>> Sorry if someone might have already gotten to this, I never got to the
>>end of the old thread about the A4 formating, but does anyone have a
>>list of mirrors that have the Plastic Warriors formatted for 8.5"x11"
>> American Letter. Scanned through em and it looks likle they kick, but I
>> don't exactly wanna GM next session running back and forth checking
>> Word.
>
>As I said last week or so, the site that held the Letter versions seems to
>have disappeared. I am planning on making Letter conversions at some point
>in the not too distant future, but ATM I'm a bit busy with other things to
>do that right now.


The letter size conversions can be found on my site at
http://box.pcnetinc.com/hedley/shadowrun/plastic.htm

Hedley
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Message no. 22
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:23:17 +0100
Hedley said on 8:38/ 4 Feb 98...

> >As I said last week or so, the site that held the Letter versions seems to
> >have disappeared. I am planning on making Letter conversions at some point
> >in the not too distant future, but ATM I'm a bit busy with other things to
> >do that right now.
>
> The letter size conversions can be found on my site at
> http://box.pcnetinc.com/hedley/shadowrun/plastic.htm

Thanks, I'll add this to the links already in place.

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Message no. 23
From: Carsten Baermann <gcg4@******.HRZ.UNI-GIESSEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:47:22 +0100
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Gurth wrote:

> As I said last week or so, the site that held the Letter versions seems to
> have disappeared. I am planning on making Letter conversions at some point
> in the not too distant future, but ATM I'm a bit busy with other things to
> do that right now.

Is there a Postscript A4 version somewhere? Or can it be generated? It
would be easy to convert Postscript A4 to Postcript Letter size. There is
a nice little (gnu)utility called 'psresize' which can do the job.

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Message no. 24
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:48:09 +0100
Carsten Baermann said on 13:47/ 5 Feb 98...

> Is there a Postscript A4 version somewhere? Or can it be generated? It
> would be easy to convert Postscript A4 to Postcript Letter size. There is
> a nice little (gnu)utility called 'psresize' which can do the job.

AFAIK there are no Postscript versions anywhere; I certainly haven't
figured out a reliable way to make them (printing to a file while a PS
printer was selected was suggested to me once, but no PS viewer I had
could make anything out of the resulting files).

I'll most likely do it the old-fashioned way by opening each file in a
word processor, switching the page size to Letter, and adding and
deleting page endings as appropriate.

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Do the Evolution.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

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