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Message no. 1
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:00:56 +0100
Finally, the new Plastic Warriors net.sourcebook is out... either point
your browser at

http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html

or ftp to

nspace.cts.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/Plastic Warriors/

to get your hands on a Word for Windows copy of Paranoid Animals of North
America. And no, this isn't a critter-book, as so many seem to think from
the title :) It's a big beast, though, at 1.9 MB (yes, that is *after* I
zipped it...)

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up with all these .sigs, and cussing everytime he sees someone
else grab one of them. :) --Joe Cotton
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Message no. 2
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 10:32:57 -0500
On Mar 30, 1996 17:00:56, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:


>Finally, the new Plastic Warriors net.sourcebook is out... either point
>your browser at
>
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
>
>or ftp to
>
>nspace.cts.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/Plastic Warriors/
>
>to get your hands on a Word for Windows copy of Paranoid Animals of North
>America. And no, this isn't a critter-book, as so many seem to think from
>the title :) It's a big beast, though, at 1.9 MB (yes, that is *after* I
>zipped it...)
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

All hail Gurth, prophet of the Shadowrun community!!

All I need now is to buy about 1000 sheets of paper to print all the
sourcebooks :)

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Message no. 3
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:00:42 -0500
At 17:00 3/30/96 +0100, Gyrth wrote:
>Finally, the new Plastic Warriors net.sourcebook is out... either point
>your browser at
>
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
>
>or ftp to
>
>nspace.cts.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/Plastic Warriors/
>
>to get your hands on a Word for Windows copy of Paranoid Animals of North
>America. And no, this isn't a critter-book, as so many seem to think from
>the title :) It's a big beast, though, at 1.9 MB (yes, that is *after* I
>zipped it...)
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl

How about a non-Word version. Postscript, RTF, even an earlier word version
like 5.x would be helpful. I've been trying to convert the files over on a
friends machine and all I've gotten is a crashing machine and severe
headaches. If its possible I'd be very happy. (So would my friend. :) )

BLAIR

ps: Postscript would be ideal. I can fire it to the network printer and not
have to pay for the paper. ;)
Message no. 4
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:52:58 +0100
A. Blair Blackwell said on 30 Mar 96...

> How about a non-Word version. Postscript, RTF, even an earlier word version
> like 5.x would be helpful. I've been trying to convert the files over on a
> friends machine and all I've gotten is a crashing machine and severe
> headaches. If its possible I'd be very happy. (So would my friend. :) )
>
> ps: Postscript would be ideal. I can fire it to the network printer and not
> have to pay for the paper. ;)

I'd like to do this sort of thing, but I don't have the space for it. I
once tried making a PS version but it sort of blew up into my face for
some reason -- everything seemed to be totally messed up.

BTW, if it seems your PC crashes while loading one of the Plastic Warriors
books, DON'T WORRY, it's most likely the table of contents that's causing
it. The computer (my 100MHz 486 with 8MB included) stops for a few
minutes if there's a large TOC in a large document (and I think the PW
books qualify for both :) to sort the whole thing out or something I have
not yet seen it crash, but the whole system is occupied for a while.

--
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Turning true emotion into digital expression.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Character Mortuary: http://huizen.dds.nl/~mortuary/mortuary.html <-

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Message no. 5
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:52:58 +0100
Tal Kedem said on 31 Mar 96...

> All I need now is to buy about 1000 sheets of paper to print all the
> sourcebooks :)

Come one, it's not that bad. Only 500 sheets or so :)

--
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-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
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Message no. 6
From: xanth@****.uky.edu (Terry Amburgey)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:24:11 -0500 (EST)
Lord Tallion wrote:
>
>All hail Gurth, prophet of the Shadowrun community!!
>
>All I need now is to buy about 1000 sheets of paper to print all the
>sourcebooks :)

I'll second both of those comments :) I never realized how hard it is to
find A4 sized paper in Lexington. My GM and I are going 1/2 and 1/2 on some
he dug up. I hope the ink reservoir on my printer holds up :) Terry

Terry L. Amburgey Office: 606-257-7726
Associate Professor Home: 606-224-0636
College of Business & Economics Fax: 606-257-3577
University of Kentucky
Lexington, KY 40506
Message no. 7
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:13:29 -0500
At 11:52 4/1/96 +0100, Gurth wrote:
>A. Blair Blackwell said on 30 Mar 96...
>
>> How about a non-Word version. Postscript, RTF, even an earlier word version
>> like 5.x would be helpful. I've been trying to convert the files over on a
>> friends machine and all I've gotten is a crashing machine and severe
>> headaches. If its possible I'd be very happy. (So would my friend. :) )
>>
>> ps: Postscript would be ideal. I can fire it to the network printer and not
>> have to pay for the paper. ;)
>
>I'd like to do this sort of thing, but I don't have the space for it. I
>once tried making a PS version but it sort of blew up into my face for
>some reason -- everything seemed to be totally messed up.
>
>BTW, if it seems your PC crashes while loading one of the Plastic Warriors
>books, DON'T WORRY, it's most likely the table of contents that's causing
>it. The computer (my 100MHz 486 with 8MB included) stops for a few
>minutes if there's a large TOC in a large document (and I think the PW
>books qualify for both :) to sort the whole thing out or something I have
>not yet seen it crash, but the whole system is occupied for a while.
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl

No it loads. I've get the same problem you had wqith converting it.
Converting it blows up the machine. Anything from not enough drive space (my
friend is working on getting another hard drive), to innsufficient memory. I
have a feeling I might have to get that stupid word 6. Oh well, that's what
uninstallers are for. :)

BLAIR
Message no. 8
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:55:57 -0500
On Apr 01, 1996 11:52:58, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:


>Tal Kedem said on 31 Mar 96...
>
>> All I need now is to buy about 1000 sheets of paper to print all the
>> sourcebooks :)
>
>Come one, it's not that bad. Only 500 sheets or so :)
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

But it's A4 paper... :(

Silly me, an American. When are the Letter size versions ready?

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Message no. 9
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:57:40 -0500
On Apr 01, 1996 11:52:58, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:


>A. Blair Blackwell said on 30 Mar 96...
>
>> How about a non-Word version. Postscript, RTF, even an earlier word
version
>> like 5.x would be helpful. I've been trying to convert the files over on
a
>> friends machine and all I've gotten is a crashing machine and severe
>> headaches. If its possible I'd be very happy. (So would my friend. :) )
>>
>> ps: Postscript would be ideal. I can fire it to the network printer and
not
>> have to pay for the paper. ;)
>
>I'd like to do this sort of thing, but I don't have the space for it. I
>once tried making a PS version but it sort of blew up into my face for
>some reason -- everything seemed to be totally messed up.
>
>BTW, if it seems your PC crashes while loading one of the Plastic Warriors

>books, DON'T WORRY, it's most likely the table of contents that's causing
>it. The computer (my 100MHz 486 with 8MB included) stops for a few
>minutes if there's a large TOC in a large document (and I think the PW
>books qualify for both :) to sort the whole thing out or something I have

>not yet seen it crash, but the whole system is occupied for a while.

You could also acquire a word viewer for Win95 or Win3.1 if you don't want
to purchase the ($100 plus) Word program. I don't know if there is a mac
version.

Postscript, however, ensures more platform compatibility....but it's a
tradeoff

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all?)
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Message no. 10
From: Fro <fro@***.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:24:28 -0700
At 17:57 01/04/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Postscript, however, ensures more platform compatibility....but it's a
>tradeoff

Ok, I've heard alot about postscript, and would like to print all the SR
stuff floating around in it. I still haven't figured out how to do it. Do
I need a special program to do it with? I know i need a postscript
compatible printer, and i don't think mine is (HP deskjet 500C) But i can
take it to school and print it out with the new super duper laser printers
(damn i love those things!) If a couple of you guys would give me a hand
with this, via private e-mail, it would be greatly appreciated!
Message no. 11
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:08:36 -0500
At 17:57 4/1/96 -0500, Tal Kedem wrote:
>On Apr 01, 1996 11:52:58, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:
>
>
>>A. Blair Blackwell said on 30 Mar 96...
>>
>>> How about a non-Word version. Postscript, RTF, even an earlier word
>version
>>> like 5.x would be helpful. I've been trying to convert the files over on
>a
>>> friends machine and all I've gotten is a crashing machine and severe
>>> headaches. If its possible I'd be very happy. (So would my friend. :) )
>>>
>>> ps: Postscript would be ideal. I can fire it to the network printer and
>not
>>> have to pay for the paper. ;)
>>
>>I'd like to do this sort of thing, but I don't have the space for it. I
>>once tried making a PS version but it sort of blew up into my face for
>>some reason -- everything seemed to be totally messed up.
>>
>>BTW, if it seems your PC crashes while loading one of the Plastic Warriors
>
>>books, DON'T WORRY, it's most likely the table of contents that's causing
>>it. The computer (my 100MHz 486 with 8MB included) stops for a few
>>minutes if there's a large TOC in a large document (and I think the PW
>>books qualify for both :) to sort the whole thing out or something I have
>
>>not yet seen it crash, but the whole system is occupied for a while.
>
>You could also acquire a word viewer for Win95 or Win3.1 if you don't want
>to purchase the ($100 plus) Word program. I don't know if there is a mac
>version.
>

Really? Never heard of it. You would happen to know where you saw it would you?

>Postscript, however, ensures more platform compatibility....but it's a
>tradeoff
>
>--
>-Lord Tallion <Tal Kedem>

BLAIR
Message no. 12
From: Fro <fro@***.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:15:07 -0700
At 19:08 01/04/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Really? Never heard of it. You would happen to know where you saw it would you?

I have the files right here on a CD, i have no idea if it is commercial or
not, i got it for free, contact me and i'm sure we can arrange something.
Message no. 13
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:35:42 -0500
On Apr 01, 1996 19:08:36, '"A. Blair Blackwell"
<ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>' wrote:


>>You could also acquire a word viewer for Win95 or Win3.1 if you don't
want
>>to purchase the ($100 plus) Word program. I don't know if there is a mac

>>version.
>>
>
>Really? Never heard of it. You would happen to know where you saw it would

>you?
>
>>Postscript, however, ensures more platform compatibility....but it's a
>>tradeoff
>>
>>--
>>-Lord Tallion <Tal Kedem>
>
>BLAIR

*** Public Service Announcement ****

Word Viewer, created by Microsoft, is available on their Web and FTP sites,
(http://www.microsoft.com, and ftp://ftp.microsoft.com respectively)

It's on them somewhere, just do a search on their page for "Word Viewer"

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Message no. 14
From: Tim Serpas <wretch@**.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:18:46 -0600 (CST)
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:

> have a feeling I might have to get that stupid word 6. Oh well, that's what
> uninstallers are for. :)

Or you could get Win95: I can read everything in WordPad just fine, thanks.
Any oddness I attribute to the A4 setup instead of 8.5"x11".

Cordially Tim Serpas
(No, my first name isn't 'Cordially')
Message no. 15
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:00:24 -0500
At 19:18 4/1/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>
>> have a feeling I might have to get that stupid word 6. Oh well, that's what
>> uninstallers are for. :)
>
>Or you could get Win95: I can read everything in WordPad just fine, thanks.
>Any oddness I attribute to the A4 setup instead of 8.5"x11".
>
>Cordially Tim Serpas
>(No, my first name isn't 'Cordially')
>

Windows95!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you Crazy!!!???? Windows is bad enough and
you're suggesting 95!
Give me OS/2 or Linux any day.

BLAIR
Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:43 +0100
A. Blair Blackwell said on 1 Apr 96...

> Really? Never heard of it. You would happen to know where you saw it would you?

Look around a bit at www.microsoft.com and you should find it sooner or
later. It's totally free AFAIK, and can be copied and distributed without
problems. I think it's one of MicroSoft's tricks to get you to buy Word :)

--
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-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
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Message no. 17
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:43 +0100
Fro said on 1 Apr 96...

> Ok, I've heard alot about postscript, and would like to print all the SR
> stuff floating around in it. I still haven't figured out how to do it. Do
> I need a special program to do it with? I know i need a postscript
> compatible printer, and i don't think mine is (HP deskjet 500C) But i can
> take it to school and print it out with the new super duper laser printers
> (damn i love those things!) If a couple of you guys would give me a hand
> with this, via private e-mail, it would be greatly appreciated!

A DeskJet 500C is not a PS printer, no. Those laser printers probably are
(though you'd better check first :).

To print a PS file to a PS printer, all you need to do is send it directly
to the printer, while if your printer is of a normal kind (non-PS), you
need a viewer to print it with. GhostScript (or something that sounds like
it) should be available from some places, but I don't know where.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Turning true emotion into digital expression.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Character Mortuary: http://huizen.dds.nl/~mortuary/mortuary.html <-

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Message no. 18
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:43 +0100
Tal Kedem said on 1 Apr 96...

> But it's A4 paper... :(

Come to the civilized part of the world, then :)

> Silly me, an American. When are the Letter size versions ready?

Someone is working on them at the moment, it seems. At least, he was
asking me questions about how to resize some graphics, so I guess it
shouldn't be too long.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Turning true emotion into digital expression.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Character Mortuary: http://huizen.dds.nl/~mortuary/mortuary.html <-

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Message no. 19
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 09:38:40 -0800
A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
> No it loads. I've get the same problem you had wqith converting it.
> Converting it blows up the machine. Anything from not enough drive
> space (my friend is working on getting another hard drive), to
> innsufficient memory. I have a feeling I might have to get that stupid
> word 6. Oh well, that's what uninstallers are for. :)
> Guess I'll give it a try. I've got Ventura Publisher on deck & have not
had any trouble yet with W6 files. Besides, I just acquired a copy of
Lotus Wordpro, it's got to have some uses.
Message no. 20
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:57:15 -0800
A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>
> At 19:18 4/1/96 -0600, you wrote:

> Windows95!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you Crazy!!!???? Windows is bad enough and
> you're suggesting 95!
> Give me OS/2 or Linux any day.
> Linux maybe. OS/2 Not on my box! It's too touchy about the hardware &
the bios you have onboard. Works fine for low performance & some middle
performance stuff, but craps out on the high powered stuff.
Message no. 21
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:19:22 -0500
At 10:57 4/2/96 -0800, you wrote:
>A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>>
>> At 19:18 4/1/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Windows95!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you Crazy!!!???? Windows is bad enough and
>> you're suggesting 95!
>> Give me OS/2 or Linux any day.
>> Linux maybe. OS/2 Not on my box! It's too touchy about the hardware &
>the bios you have onboard. Works fine for low performance & some middle
>performance stuff, but craps out on the high powered stuff.
>

Giot no clue what your running but I've never seen OS/2 crap out on
anything. Initial setup can be a bit wierd but after that its always been
smooth sailing. It's possible that your hardware dosen't like it. I know I
can't run it 'cause for a glitch in my proccesor, but I can't complain
'cause it's a loaner. :)

BLAIR
Message no. 22
From: Rob Kean <rkean@****.net>
Subject: RE: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:52:53 -0500
>>
>>You could also acquire a word viewer for Win95 or Win3.1 if you don't want
>>to purchase the ($100 plus) Word program. I don't know if there is a mac
>>version.
>>
>
>Really? Never heard of it. You would happen to know where you saw it would >you?
>
>>Postscript, however, ensures more platform compatibility....but it's a
>>tradeoff
>>
>>--
>>-Lord Tallion <Tal Kedem>
>
>BLAIR

Win95 has a replacement for write called wordpad. It reads Word 6.0 files.
There is a word viewer free from MS at:

http://www.msn.com/products/intprod.htm

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Message no. 23
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:46:53 -0500
On Apr 02, 1996 12:05:43, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:


>Tal Kedem said on 1 Apr 96...
>
>> But it's A4 paper... :(
>
>Come to the civilized part of the world, then :)

Excuse me, I wasn't BORN in America, tho I consider myself an American (AND
an Israeli)

>> Silly me, an American. When are the Letter size versions ready?
>
>Someone is working on them at the moment, it seems. At least, he was
>asking me questions about how to resize some graphics, so I guess it
>shouldn't be too long.
>
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Cool, the Plastic Warriors strike again!

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Message no. 24
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:26:31 -0500
At 18:46 4/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
>On Apr 02, 1996 12:05:43, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:
>
>
>>Tal Kedem said on 1 Apr 96...
>>
>>> But it's A4 paper... :(
>>
>>Come to the civilized part of the world, then :)
>
>Excuse me, I wasn't BORN in America, tho I consider myself an American (AND
>an Israeli)
>

Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
exodus out of it to America?

>>> Silly me, an American. When are the Letter size versions ready?
>>
>>Someone is working on them at the moment, it seems. At least, he was
>>asking me questions about how to resize some graphics, so I guess it
>>shouldn't be too long.
>>

YIPPIE! :)

BLAIR
Message no. 25
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:36:21 -0500
On Apr 02, 1996 20:26:31, '"A. Blair Blackwell"
<ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>' wrote:


>>On Apr 02, 1996 12:05:43, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tal Kedem said on 1 Apr 96...
>>>
>>>> But it's A4 paper... :(
>>>
>>>Come to the civilized part of the world, then :)
>>
>>Excuse me, I wasn't BORN in America, tho I consider myself an American
(AND
>>an Israeli)
>>
>
>Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
>exodus out of it to America?

I'm proud to be an American, and scoff at fools who call us "idiots". They
are the worst of all.


Augh, sorry to be so off topic!

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Message no. 26
From: Tim Serpas <wretch@**.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:41:10 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
> >> Windows95!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you Crazy!!!???? Windows is bad enough and
> >> you're suggesting 95!
> >> Give me OS/2 or Linux any day.
> >> Linux maybe. OS/2 Not on my box! It's too touchy about the hardware &

AckAck!
Please! I didn't mean to start an OS discussion!
This isn't the right forum, guys.


Tim Serpas
"Be careful who you kill tonight"
-Gravity Kills
Message no. 27
From: tkerby@***.net (Tim Kerby)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 08:00:04 EST
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:00:24 -0500 A. Blair Blackwell wrote:

>>Or you could get Win95: I can read everything in WordPad just fine,
>>thanks. Any oddness I attribute to the A4 setup instead of 8.5"x11".

>Windows95!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you Crazy!!!???? Windows is bad enough
>and you're suggesting 95!
>Give me OS/2 or Linux any day.
>
>BLAIR

Preach on, brother!
NOTE: All of you sufferers of Microsofitis: there is relief. Download a free
copy of "Just Add OS/2 Warp" to find out what you are missing.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.




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Message no. 28
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:31:01 +0100 (BST)
|
|At 18:46 4/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
|>On Apr 02, 1996 12:05:43, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:
|Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
|exodus out of it to America?

And when was this mass exodus?
Late '40s and '50s perhaps?
Just after the war?
When a lot of homes had been destroyed and the economies where fragged up?

That seems a pretty good reason to me....
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Message no. 29
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:51:43 -0600
>|Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
>|exodus out of it to America?
>
>And when was this mass exodus?
>Late '40s and '50s perhaps?
>Just after the war?
>When a lot of homes had been destroyed and the economies where fragged up?
>
>That seems a pretty good reason to me....

Now, now, lets not start a stupid and pointless discussion on which country
is better. There are americans who think that europeans are idiots, and
there are plenty of europeans who think americans are idiots. Personnally,
I think people who try to argue that one is totally superior to the other
are idiots. To those americans who think that america is best, what about
monty python? (english) and a lot of our culture? and most importantly,
beer? And for the europeans, we wouldn't be having this discussion if a
bunch of american writers hadn't designed this game based on how screwed up
the entire world could get.

Sheesh, I never thought _I_ would be trying to cool people of on here,
usually the other way around.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
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tape to make them stop."
Message no. 30
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:05:30 +0100 (BST)
|Sheesh, I never thought _I_ would be trying to cool people of on here,
|usually the other way around.

Isn't that the thirteenth sign of the apocolypse?

The end is nigh!
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Message no. 31
From: dherr@********.net (David Herr)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 19:34:11 EST
On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:31:01 +0100 (BST) you wrote:

>|
>|At 18:46 4/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
>|>On Apr 02, 1996 12:05:43, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:
>|Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
>|exodus out of it to America?
>
>And when was this mass exodus?
>Late '40s and '50s perhaps?
>Just after the war?
>When a lot of homes had been destroyed and the economies where fragged up?
>
>That seems a pretty good reason to me....

And why, if Europe was/is so civilized why was there a war (Two even)?
Don't get me wrong, I think that your right Europe is a generally
more civilized place than america ($600 per person per year spent on
art in Europe versus $0.006 spent in america). It's just that your
reasoning is a little off.


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Message no. 32
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 08:35:58 -0800
A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>
> At 10:57 4/2/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
> >>
> >> At 19:18 4/1/96 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >> Windows95!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you Crazy!!!???? Windows is bad enough and
> >> you're suggesting 95!
> >> Give me OS/2 or Linux any day.
> >> Linux maybe. OS/2 Not on my box! It's too touchy about the hardware &
> >the bios you have onboard. Works fine for low performance & some middle
> >performance stuff, but craps out on the high powered stuff.
> Giot no clue what your running but I've never seen OS/2 crap out on
> anything. Initial setup can be a bit wierd but after that its always
> been smooth sailing. It's possible that your hardware dosen't like it.
> I know I can't run it 'cause for a glitch in my proccesor, but I can't
> complain 'cause it's a loaner. :)

I thought it was a problem with one or two of my drivers, but after
talking to IBM support I found out that there are hardware configurations
and brands they refuse to support with OS/2 (Mitsuhama boards & Fuji
Drives especially). As far as bios goes Big Blue claimed there are only
7 they will support, but would not specify which ones so I could replace
mine. They'd rather charge me for the call back after I/ve paid for a
new bios installation. Definitely not cool having to go to the local
fixer for new bios every week to play 20 questions with itty bitty minds.
Message no. 33
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:29:30 +0100
A. Blair Blackwell said on 2 Apr 96...

> Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
> exodus out of it to America?

It was meant as a joke, as could be seen by the smiley... guess it didn't
work too well...

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Message no. 34
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:29:30 +0100
David Herr said on 3 Apr 96...

> And why, if Europe was/is so civilized why was there a war (Two even)?

Only two? I think nobody told you about the other ten million or so :)

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Message no. 35
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 20:38:38 +1030
>And why, if Europe was/is so civilized why was there a war (Two even)?
> Don't get me wrong, I think that your right Europe is a generally
>more civilized place than america ($600 per person per year spent on
>art in Europe versus $0.006 spent in america). It's just that your
>reasoning is a little off.

Wars are a by-product of civilisation... Primitive hunter-gatherer tribes
hardly ever decided to duke it out for each other, they were too busy
surviving. More sophisticated tribes started things like raids and stuff,
and only the truly civilised nations make wars.

Civilisation != Pacifisim.


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Message no. 36
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:03:36 +0100 (BST)
|
|On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:31:01 +0100 (BST) you wrote:
|
|>|
|>|At 18:46 4/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
|>|>On Apr 02, 1996 12:05:43, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>' wrote:
|>|Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
|>|exodus out of it to America?
|>
|>And when was this mass exodus?
|>Late '40s and '50s perhaps?
|>Just after the war?
|>When a lot of homes had been destroyed and the economies where fragged up?
|>
|>That seems a pretty good reason to me....
|
|And why, if Europe was/is so civilized why was there a war (Two even)?
| Don't get me wrong, I think that your right Europe is a generally
|more civilized place than america ($600 per person per year spent on
|art in Europe versus $0.006 spent in america). It's just that your
|reasoning is a little off.

Oh, I don't think so. I think the reasons for the "mass exodus" was due to
the wars and then the aftermath.
Don't forget, america has been involved in much more pointless wars than
Europe more recently. 'Nam for example.
The first world war WAS pointless. I don't think, even now, people know WHY
it happened.
The Second was all Germanys fault. The rest of europe would have been fine
if not for Germany.
|
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Message no. 37
From: cobaltblue@********.net
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 11:58:13 PST
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:35:42 -0500 Tal Kedem wrote:
>On Apr 01, 1996 19:08:36, '"A. Blair Blackwell"
><ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>' wrote:
>
>
>>>You could also acquire a word viewer for Win95 or Win3.1 if you don't
>want
>>>to purchase the ($100 plus) Word program. I don't know if there is a mac
>
>>>version.
>>>
(buncha stuff cut ref. Word Viewer)

I'm running W95 and the standard WP on it (Wordpad) brings up Word docs easily and also
allows for global reformat to allow easy printing. I DLed the last Plastic Warriors and
had it reformatted for my printer in just a few minutes. I don't know if this will help
anyone.;-)
Message no. 38
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:21:05 -0500 (EST)
At 12:29 4/4/96 +0100, you wrote:
>A. Blair Blackwell said on 2 Apr 96...
>
>> Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
>> exodus out of it to America?
>
>It was meant as a joke, as could be seen by the smiley... guess it didn't
>work too well...
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl

Oops, guess I forgot something.

:)

Just for you Gurth.

BLAIR :)
Message no. 39
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:26:57 -0500 (EST)
At 13:03 4/4/96 +0100, A. Halliwell wrote:

>Oh, I don't think so. I think the reasons for the "mass exodus" was due to
>the wars and then the aftermath.
>Don't forget, america has been involved in much more pointless wars than
>Europe more recently. 'Nam for example.
>The first world war WAS pointless. I don't think, even now, people know WHY
>it happened.
>The Second was all Germanys fault. The rest of europe would have been fine
>if not for Germany.
>|

World War II was not Germanies fault. It was everybodies fault. If someone
at the time had had half a brain they would have stopped Hitler before he
had gotten anywhere. It should have stopped at Germany annexing parts of
Austria but every other country in the world turned their back and actted as
if it hadn't happened. Everyone was at fault.

BLAIR
Message no. 40
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:36:56 -0500 (EST)
At 11:58 4/4/96 PST, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:35:42 -0500 Tal Kedem wrote:
>>On Apr 01, 1996 19:08:36, '"A. Blair Blackwell"
>><ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>' wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>You could also acquire a word viewer for Win95 or Win3.1 if you don't
>>want
>>>>to purchase the ($100 plus) Word program. I don't know if there is a mac
>>
>>>>version.
>>>>
>(buncha stuff cut ref. Word Viewer)
>
> I'm running W95 and the standard WP on it (Wordpad) brings up Word docs
easily and also allows for global reformat to allow easy printing. I DLed
the last Plastic Warriors and had it reformatted for my printer in just a
few minutes. I don't know if this will help anyone.;-)
>
>

Thank you for your help, but I HATE Win95.
BTW, Tal thanks from the address I found the Word Viewer. It's typical
annoying Microsoft trash but it's useful in this instance. Thanks again.

BLAIR
Message no. 41
From: "Nichols (Jason/Christy)" <nicholch@*****.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:56:13 -0500
At 01:26 PM 4/4/96 -0500, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>
>World War II was not Germanies fault. It was everybodies fault. If someone
>at the time had had half a brain they would have stopped Hitler before he
>had gotten anywhere. It should have stopped at Germany annexing parts of
>Austria but every other country in the world turned their back and actted as
>if it hadn't happened. Everyone was at fault.
>
>BLAIR
>


Hello European/World History List,

Oh, sorry, this is a Shadowrun List? :) Come on guys let's get back close to
Shrun.

BTW, what are some of the high/low points runners should find in Europe? I
have London SB and Germany SB but I they leave Big questions on the rest of
Europe. I have some runners that want to go down to Italy/the south coast -
anybody got anything on those areas?

Also, has anyone given some thought to what would happen if a dragon had
been sleeping under a European/Asian death camp? What does that kind of
negative background count do to the psyche of a sleeping dragon? <evil GM
grin> Can a dragon go Toxic?



Jason Nichols
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Message no. 42
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 15:44:50 +1030
>World War II was not Germanies fault. It was everybodies fault. If someone
>at the time had had half a brain they would have stopped Hitler before he
>had gotten anywhere. It should have stopped at Germany annexing parts of
>Austria but every other country in the world turned their back and actted as
>if it hadn't happened. Everyone was at fault.

Not to mention that the political climate that enabled Hitler to come to
power in the first place was the result of the restitution measures the
Allies enforced on Germany after World War I.

Why do you think that there wasn't such harsh economic punishment to
Germany and Japan after WWII?

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Message no. 43
From: pbailey@***.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au (Peter Bailey)
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 13:22:45
Hi Gurth,

> Finally, the new Plastic Warriors net.sourcebook is out... either point
> your browser at
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
>
> or ftp to
>
> nspace.cts.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/Plastic Warriors/
>
> to get your hands on a Word for Windows copy of Paranoid Animals of North
> America. And no, this isn't a critter-book, as so many seem to think from
> the title :) It's a big beast, though, at 1.9 MB (yes, that is *after* I
> zipped it...)

Any chance of a text version? Or a postscript version please? Even RTF
would do.

Ta.

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Message no. 44
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:13:24 +0100
A Halliwell said on 4 Apr 96...

> Oh, I don't think so. I think the reasons for the "mass exodus" was due to
> the wars and then the aftermath.

Which mass exodus are we talking about anyway? I don't believe a major
part of Europe's population moved to a different continent after either
world war. Most of them didn't even have the money to do that sort of
thing.

> Don't forget, america has been involved in much more pointless wars than
> Europe more recently. 'Nam for example.

>From the American POV in the early 1960s, that wasn't pointless. The way
it was fought, well, that's another story...

> The first world war WAS pointless. I don't think, even now, people know WHY
> it happened.

It happened because of nationalism. WW1 was actually a 19th-century war,
that got started because of the politics of nobles -- and not just the
German emperor, but *most* of Europe's aristocracy. The fact that many
peoples were discontent only added fuel to the fire. In Europe, the German
government was looking for an excuse to start a war, so they could become
the dominant force in Europe, and thereby most of the world. When the
Austro-Hungarian crown prince was assassinated in Sarajevo, they had their
excuse.

> The Second was all Germanys fault. The rest of europe would have been fine
> if not for Germany.

Thank you for playing, here's a dustbin.

The victors of WW1 are, at least, in part to blame for WW2 -- Germany went
all but bankrupt between the wars (ever seen those million Mark notes with
three extra zeros printed on them to make them worth *something*? Postage
stamps of three million Marks? There's loads more examples) due to the
money it had to pay for reconstruction of the rest of Europe. One of the
things that got and kept Hitler in power was because he did something to
keep the economy going and went against the rules imposed on Germany by
Britain, France, and the other countries that "won" WW1.

You can hardly ever blame just one side for a war, there's usually
something on both (or all) sides that have a cause in starting the war.

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Message no. 45
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:39:27 +0100
Peter Bailey said on 4 Apr 96...

> Any chance of a text version? Or a postscript version please? Even RTF
> would do.

RTF or PS would be most likely, if I ever get round to doing other than
WfW versions, the reason being that I can make those without having to
fiddle with the layout at all. A text (let alone an html) version would
take me about as long to make as the original...

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Message no. 46
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:29:25 +0300 (EET DST)
On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> |Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
> |exodus out of it to America?
>
> And when was this mass exodus?
> Late '40s and '50s perhaps?
> Just after the war?
> When a lot of homes had been destroyed and the economies where fragged up?
>
I've always thought that in the 40's and 50's mainly people from
Communist countries escaped into America, there weren't so many western
immigrants. I know for a fact that from Finland people moved to the
States mainly around the turn of the century.

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Message no. 47
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:57:47 +0100 (BST)
|
|Hi Gurth,
|
|> Finally, the new Plastic Warriors net.sourcebook is out... either point
|> your browser at
|>
|> http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
|>
|> or ftp to
|>
|> nspace.cts.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/Plastic Warriors/
|>
|> to get your hands on a Word for Windows copy of Paranoid Animals of North
|> America. And no, this isn't a critter-book, as so many seem to think from
|> the title :) It's a big beast, though, at 1.9 MB (yes, that is *after* I
|> zipped it...)
|
|Any chance of a text version? Or a postscript version please? Even RTF
|would do.

I'd have trouble downloading something *that* size.
My disk quota isn't very large (and my computer at home doesn't even *have*
1 Mb....

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Message no. 48
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 09:46:45 -0800
Nichols (Jason/Christy) wrote:
> Also, has anyone given some thought to what would happen if a dragon
> had been sleeping under a European/Asian death camp? What does that
> kind of negative background count do to the psyche of a sleeping
> dragon? <evil GM grin> Can a dragon go Toxic?
> I've got to go back through my library, but I remember one being
mentioned in a short story in a gaming rag some where, about the same
time as the story of the decker dragon.
Message no. 49
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 14:54:47 EST
Could someone tell me the url where Plastic Warriors is posted? Thanks in
advance:)

Pete
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Message no. 50
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:12:07 +0100
Peter David Boddy said on 5 Apr 96...

> Could someone tell me the url where Plastic Warriors is posted? Thanks in
> advance:)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html

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Message no. 51
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orionj@****.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:10:54 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Peter David Boddy said on 5 Apr 96...
>
> > Could someone tell me the url where Plastic Warriors is posted? Thanks in
> > advance:)
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
>
How about the ftp address? I seem to recall there was one, but I can't
remember what it was.
I'm not sure if I'm going to print it out on the lab printer here. They
got a little pissed when I printed out the last netsourcebook, and that
one was smaller than this one. :)
Aw, well, what is tuition for anyway... :)
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Message no. 52
From: Georg Greve <ggreve@*******.hanse.de>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 22:39:09 +0200
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 22:38:58 +0200 (MET DST)

> |Any chance of a text version? Or a postscript version please? Even RTF
> |would do.
> I'd have trouble downloading something *that* size.
> My disk quota isn't very large (and my computer at home doesn't even *have*
> 1 Mb....

I would love a postscript-version as well because I cannot use these
Windumb-Files...

Bye...
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Message no. 53
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:14:17 +0100
Michael Orion Jackson said on 7 Apr 96...

> > > Could someone tell me the url where Plastic Warriors is posted? Thanks in
> > > advance:)
> >
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html
> >
> How about the ftp address? I seem to recall there was one, but I can't
> remember what it was.

The URL I posted above can get you to all PW books, but for those who
don't hav a web browser, three of them should be available by ftp to
nspace.cts.com (what used to be cerebus.acusd.edu) in the
pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/Plastic Warriors directory.

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Message no. 54
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@****.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:29:45 +0200 (MET DST)
Message no. 55
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:04:28 GMT + 2:00
@ Blair wrote:
@ > Excuse me but if Europe is SO civilized then why was there such a mass
@ > exodus out of it to America?
@ >
@ Because Europe is SO civilized? :-)
@
'cause chaos is more fun than order, anarchy (occationaly) over
disciplinarism ;)


Andre'

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protect you from your fears, from youselves, from
others and keep your utopia, not ours, intact.
Message no. 56
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 19:42:16 +1030
> 'cause chaos is more fun than order, anarchy (occationaly) over
>disciplinarism ;)

But that's why Berlin is such a rocking place to be... :)


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Message no. 57
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:51:37 GMT + 2:00
@ > 'cause chaos is more fun than order, anarchy (occationaly) over
@ >disciplinarism ;)
@
@ But that's why Berlin is such a rocking place to be... :)
@
You know, you right! America, the free land of opportunity is
sinking deeply into sociocultural decay along......?<huh> Why am I
commenting on this, as far as I am concerned I'm in the darkest
backwater of earth. From my perspective *almost* anywhere would be
better than here! ;)






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Message no. 58
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors book
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:47:34 +0300 (EET DST)
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Terry Amburgey wrote:

> I'll second both of those comments :) I never realized how hard it is to
> find A4 sized paper in Lexington. My GM and I are going 1/2 and 1/2 on some
> he dug up. I hope the ink reservoir on my printer holds up :) Terry
>
Seeing how Terry is going to France now, I wonder if he'll carry huge
loads of blank paper back... :-)


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