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Message no. 1
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors books
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:43 +0100
A. Blair Blackwell said on 1 Apr 96...

> No it loads. I've get the same problem you had wqith converting it.
> Converting it blows up the machine. Anything from not enough drive space (my
> friend is working on getting another hard drive), to innsufficient memory.

Then I'm afraid I can't help out with this... I have a question to the
general public, though -- what printer driver should I install to have a
basic PostScript printer installed under Windows? 3.11 had this "Generic
PostScript Printer" thing, but there's no equivalent on my Windows 95
disks. It's not that I own a PS printer, but with the driver installed I
can print to a file and have a PS version of whatever I'm working on.

> I have a feeling I might have to get that stupid word 6. Oh well, that's
> what uninstallers are for. :)

I'm interested in hearing what problems you have with Word... I switched
to it because WP 6.0 kept crashing on me just before I could hit the Save
button.

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-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
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Message no. 2
From: Carsten Baermann <Carsten.Baermann@****.uni-giessen.de>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors books
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:49:48 +0200 (CET)
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Then I'm afraid I can't help out with this... I have a question to the
> general public, though -- what printer driver should I install to have a
> basic PostScript printer installed under Windows? 3.11 had this "Generic
> PostScript Printer" thing, but there's no equivalent on my Windows 95
> disks. It's not that I own a PS printer, but with the driver installed I
> can print to a file and have a PS version of whatever I'm working on.

I use the HP 4P PS Driver for converting to Postscript. Works really fine
for me and you can print using Postscript Level 1 and 2. Under Print
Options you should enable 'Archive Format' for best results.

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Message no. 3
From: cobaltblue@********.net
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors books
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 12:08:35 PST
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:43 +0100 Gurth wrote:
>I have a question to the
>general public, though -- what printer driver should I install to have a
>basic PostScript printer installed under Windows? 3.11 had this "Generic
>PostScript Printer" thing, but there's no equivalent on my Windows 95
>disks. It's not that I own a PS printer, but with the driver installed I
>can print to a file and have a PS version of whatever I'm working on.

Gurth, you should be able to go under Settings\Control Panel\Printers, click Change/Add
driver and just insert your old Win3.11 driver disk (disk 7, I think) and Win95 will add
it.
>
>I'm interested in hearing what problems you have with Word... I switched
>to it because WP 6.0 kept crashing on me just before I could hit the Save
>button.

There was a huge program hiccup in WP 6.0, which prompted the release of the 6.0 alpha
disks. If you have the original software sans alpha bugfix or upgrade, call WP and
they'll send it to you.

cobaltblue@********.net
Rod Schmidt
Ft. Bragg, NC
Message no. 4
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Plastic Warriors books
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:13:24 +0100
cobaltblue@********.net said on 4 Apr 96...

> Gurth, you should be able to go under Settings\Control
> Panel\Printers, click Change/Add driver and just insert your old
> Win3.11 driver disk (disk 7, I think) and Win95 will add it.

I'll try that.

> There was a huge program hiccup in WP 6.0, which prompted the release
> of the 6.0 alpha disks. If you have the original software sans alpha
> bugfix or upgrade, call WP and they'll send it to you.

Fat chance, I got WP 6.0a under a school license (we paid the school, the
school paid WP, and we could copy it for personal use). I've been happily
using Word 6.0 (and now 7.0) for over 1 1/2 years, and I'm not planning on
going back to WP.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Plastic Warriors Books
Date: Mon Mar 19 04:55:02 2001
Hi Folks (& Especially Gurth)!

I just noticed that there are PDF versions of the Plastic Warriors books.
Does this mean that the books have been updated in some way, too? I've
never actually got around to printing the Plastic Warriors books (though I
often wish I had a hardcopy of some of them to take along to gaming nights),
and I've been less inclinded to over the ages as the main SR rules change,
thus making the net.books less and less accurate, rules wise. This logic
also applies to NAGEE, NERPS, and all the other great SR net.publications
that have been around, and keeps me from seriously thinking about printing
them up.

Actually, while I'm thinking about that, since SR is likely to be relatively
stable with 3rd Ed (largely thanks to FASA closing, I guess), it might be a
good time for us to think about updating all the various net.books to the
current rules. I'm sure that it wouldn't be all that a difficult task, and
I'd be keen to do some work for it. What does everyone think? One of the
advantages that I can see of electronic publications is that it is quite
simple to keep them current, merely requiring editing and reposting the
original (although I'm not too sure where to get the original source for
Shadowlore anymore - perhaps Thor?).

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Plastic Warriors Books
Date: Mon Mar 19 06:30:14 2001
According to Damion Milliken, on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 the word on the street
was...

> I just noticed that there are PDF versions of the Plastic Warriors books.
> Does this mean that the books have been updated in some way, too?

No, it doesn't. It means I discovered that some of the books would turn
into usable PDFs (don't ask me why it fails for some and works for others,
though) so why not make them available like that, too?

> I've
> never actually got around to printing the Plastic Warriors books (though I
> often wish I had a hardcopy of some of them to take along to gaming nights),
> and I've been less inclinded to over the ages as the main SR rules change,
> thus making the net.books less and less accurate, rules wise. This logic
> also applies to NAGEE, NERPS, and all the other great SR net.publications
> that have been around, and keeps me from seriously thinking about printing
> them up.

The NAGEE is simple enough: all the necessary updates are in issues 7
through 10 (though that last one is still under construction). I'm thinking
of continuing that series of updates in NAGEEs 11+ by starting on the NERPS
material, starting with ShadowLore. What's the general opinion of this
plan? A good idea, or would it perhaps be better to update the actual NERPS
books themselves? (I myself prefer the former method, FWIW.)

> Actually, while I'm thinking about that, since SR is likely to be relatively
> stable with 3rd Ed (largely thanks to FASA closing, I guess), it might be a
> good time for us to think about updating all the various net.books to the
> current rules.

I've had the same idea for some time, and started work on one of the PW
books just last week. It's not difficult, but a bit boring, so it'll take
some time to get finished...

> I'm sure that it wouldn't be all that a difficult task, and I'd be
> keen to do some work for it. What does everyone think?

I certainly wouldn't mind some help with updating the various PW books,
although I don't think ShadowRN is the place to discuss the details of a
project like this. If you want to help out, contact me privately.

> One of the advantages that I can see of electronic publications is that
> it is quite simple to keep them current, merely requiring editing and
> reposting the original (although I'm not too sure where to get the
> original source for Shadowlore anymore - perhaps Thor?).

I've got the RTF file of ShadowLore on my HD, but I for some reason don't
seem to have the Postscript file...

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If there are vegetarian hamburgers, why isn't there beef lettuce?
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Plastic Warriors Books
Date: Mon Mar 19 15:00:01 2001
Gurth writes:

> The NAGEE is simple enough: all the necessary updates are in issues 7
> through 10 (though that last one is still under construction). I'm thinking
> of continuing that series of updates in NAGEEs 11+ by starting on the NERPS
> material, starting with ShadowLore. What's the general opinion of this
> plan? A good idea, or would it perhaps be better to update the actual NERPS
> books themselves? (I myself prefer the former method, FWIW.)

I think that it'd be better to update the books themselves, actually. It
might also be handy to make a separate listing of the changes, too, for
those people who have already printed the books out. New people downloading
the books would not want to go through the hassle of looking up a list of
changes, and then editing the book themselves before printing. OTOH, people
who have the books printed probably don't want to sift through a complete
book looking for differences - they'd rather consult a list of things to
pencil in as changes.

What does everyone else think?

> I've got the RTF file of ShadowLore on my HD, but I for some reason don't
> seem to have the Postscript file...

I took a look on Thor, and that's what's there, too. There is no PS version
anymore. Not that it matters, we can print to PS from the RTF (or even
better, to PDF nowadays). We can do all the neccessary work using RTF.

Is the original NERPS crew still contactable? It'd be nice to get their
permission to do this type of thing.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Plastic Warriors Books
Date: Tue Mar 20 05:20:10 2001
According to Damion Milliken, on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 the word on the street
was...

> I think that it'd be better to update the books themselves, actually.

In which case the layout would also need to be re-done, especially (sorry,
Rob) the horrible mess that is ShadowLore. That would make this a rather
longer-term project, but still doable.

> It might also be handy to make a separate listing of the changes, too,
> for those people who have already printed the books out.

Agreed. Just sticking it on a web site should work.

> > I've got the RTF file of ShadowLore on my HD, but I for some reason don't
> > seem to have the Postscript file...
>
> I took a look on Thor, and that's what's there, too. There is no PS version
> anymore. Not that it matters, we can print to PS from the RTF (or even
> better, to PDF nowadays). We can do all the neccessary work using RTF.

Making a PDF works better when you've got a PS file to start with; PDFs
are basically PS files with compression and hyperlinks anyway.

> Is the original NERPS crew still contactable? It'd be nice to get their
> permission to do this type of thing.

I don't know where to reach any of the old crew, except for the last
Project Leader, who is, as I type, busy replying to this message... I'm
fairly certain I could get him to cooperate :)

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Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
If there are vegetarian hamburgers, why isn't there beef lettuce?
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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