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From: shadowrn@*********.com (dartheggbert@****.com)
Subject: please set me no mail
Date: Sat Sep 15 02:20:01 2001
sorry to send this way but i only have cell mail access czar

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---Original message---
From: Damion Milliken
Sent: Sat Sep 08 02:18:11 EDT 2001
To: shadowrn@*********.com;
Subject: Re: Seattle Population-Low

CJ Tipton writes:

> No corporater or government employee in his or her right mind would have
> anything whatsoever to do with a principle. Principles are invariably
> detrimental to the bottom line, as is the urge to register people who don't
> matter.
>

> Think of this in terms of man-hours. It is not in the governments best
> interest to spend even a minute recording the statistics of someone who
> cannot vote, legally hold employment or legally own property. It is
> certainly then not in their best interest to spend thousands of man hours
> tabulating how many of these worthless SOBs their are.

Well, I don't entirely agree with this. At the very minimum, government and
similar agencies would like an approximate estimation if SINless people were
a large portion of the population. After all, they still use public
infrastructure like roads and such, so government planners can't ignore
them. If they did, then they would vastly underestimate when planning city
services and the like, and everything would screw up. "What, Mr Politician?
You say your government ignored the 67% of SINless population when you
funded the new sewerage works? Is this the reason toilets all over Bellvue
are backing up and half the city is inundated with raw sewerage? How could
you make such a stupid mistake?"

OTOH, I do not ever recall reading that the SINless population outnumbered
the SINned population in Seattle. I was always of the opinion that it was
large enough to be noticeable, but not large enough to dramatically affect
things. Say 10%?

> If your really wanted to find out how many people there would be in
> Seattle in the Awakened Age, you might try taking the census figures for
> the entire area, as of 2000, perhaps reduced slightly for VITAS and such,
> and treat the result as an actual population, while retaining the New
> Seattle info as the number of people with SINs: aka the number of peoples
> lives that actually affect a corps bottom line.

The designers of SR made things fairly easy for by and large. For example,
the nuyen is worth about the same as a modern day US$. The population of most
places in SR is about the same as it is today. The reason for this is that
even though there's been 60 years of population growth, this was almost
exactly countered by the two VITAS epidemics. So SR era New York probably
has the same population (or thereabouts) as modern day New York.

OTOH, this is a little skewed for places like Seattle, as their population
increased a fair bit with displaced non-native American citizens during the
breakup of the US. Oh well, we can't have everything.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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