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Message no. 1
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:44:34 -0400
Last Friday, I had a chat with a friend over coffee at a cafe on
Huntington Avenue,in Boston, just a little before midnight. As usual
with this guy, the conversation swirled around a variety of topics, but
eventually a thread presented itself. Why is so much of the writing for
cyberpunk [Shadowrun novels, modules, other punk books] just not good?
I brought up, this also applies to many comic books that are
currently out on the market [I won't name names, but they're primarily
from a company with a big M in the title]. We both came to the
conclusion, that many writers today draw too much of their inspiration
for their stories from other writers in a similar vein.
Alan Moore [guy responsible, among other things for the 'rebirth'
of the Batman, the Dark Knight, before Shoemacher got a hold of him
<grrrrrrr>] said writers aren't taking the time to go back to the roots
that their predecessors did, and are only basing their works off of
theirs. As a result, many are producing shallow, trite storylines, with
little substance, or as I call it, Umph.
Now, you ask what's all this got to do with plotlines for Shadowrun
[patience, I'm getting to it]. If, when generating plot ideas for our
games [or novels in the making or what have you], they sometimes seem
pale in comparison to the source material. Like a video copy of a copy;
each one successively degrades from the original.
Now, I'm not saying stop reading all your cyberpunk books [drek,
I'd go stir crazy inside of an hour!]. What I am saying, is expand your
reading criteria to other sources OUTSIDE science fiction, like
speculative sciences, or history. Or mythology. Maybe even the study of
the origin of a nursery rhyme [Does anybody remember 'Ring around the
rosie?' Can anyone say what that rhyme's REALLY talking about, when it
was conceived over 500 years ago?]
Things like this can spark the imagination, and generate stories.
Skim thru the Wall Street Journal once in awhile, you don't have to read
article for article. Get an idea how business really operates. It may
clarify just how megacorps operate in your gaming world.
Read some of the old classics, like Poe or Dumas, or even
Shakespeare. Think what kind of updated twist you could present to your
Shadowrun game, with your take on, say, Man in the Iron Mask, set
against the high rise world of the megacorps. Or the Tempest, played out
amidst the splendor of Tir Nan Nog [hey, did you know the sci-fi classic
Forbidden Planet, is actually just a remake of the same play?]. That's
why I recommend Kurosawa's Seven Samurai over the remakes it spawned
over the decades; it's still the best.
Neil Gaiman wrote in his Sandman comic book series, that all the
stories played out today, are just retellings of much older stories,
whose actual facts are lost to time. That doesn't make them any less
true, only more interresting. [I think that's how it goes.]
I hope I haven't spiraled hopelessly off the target, but I just
wanted to say, if you want to breathe life into your campaigns [and I'm
not saying you don't already <throws nomex tarp over head to avoid
flaming. Grins>, expand the horizons of your data intake. Technology may
change rapidly over the years [or as Tim Allen said, the only difference
between us and cavemen, is that we have better tools] but the nature of
man remains primarily the same. Learn about the world, then take it back
to your gamers.

< jumps off soapbox, slips, twists ankle, gets carried to the hospital
:-[>
Message no. 2
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:27:59 -0400
> Maybe even the study of
> the origin of a nursery rhyme [Does anybody remember 'Ring around the
> rosie?' Can anyone say what that rhyme's REALLY talking about, when it
> was conceived over 500 years ago?]

The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish discolorations on
the skin as the disease onset.
Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
plague.
I got it right.
What do I win? :-)

Actually, this is a good idea.
And ties into a plot I'm working on.
I plan on using it in ShadowTK very soon, so I can't give too much away,
but read that novel Dead Souls, by Nicolai Gogol. :-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"I just got to run SR again after a several month hiatus, and am I STOKED!"
Message no. 3
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:12:37 +1000
> > Maybe even the study of
> > the origin of a nursery rhyme [Does anybody remember 'Ring around the
> > rosie?' Can anyone say what that rhyme's REALLY talking about, when it
> > was conceived over 500 years ago?]
>
> The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish discolorations on
> the skin as the disease onset.
> Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
> Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
> plague.
> I got it right.
> What do I win? :-)
>
Well.....how about a case of the plague?

BTW; In the version of the rhyme I've heard, the line is
"Atishoo (ie; sneezing), Atishoo, we all fall down"

Strange how thigs get adapted from county to country.

> Actually, this is a good idea.
> And ties into a plot I'm working on.
> I plan on using it in ShadowTK very soon, so I can't give too much away,
> but read that novel Dead Souls, by Nicolai Gogol. :-)
>
How about Hot Zone? It's about Ebola.

Anyone fancy having the runners get stuck in the middle of an Ebola
outbreak in some backwater burg somewhere? Just imagine how strict the
quarantine would be..... and how paranoid the runners would get.

*evil grin*

Bleach
Message no. 4
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:21:30 EDT
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:27:59 -0400 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
>The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish
>discolorations on
>the skin as the disease onset.
>Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague
>away.
>Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got
>the
>plague.
>I got it right.
>What do I win? :-)


You forgot about everybody falling down, you know when they die, Mr.
Tinner. You win what's behind door number 3. . . . . .A Rock
Band!!!!!!!!! :)


Now using Gweedo the Killer Pimp ver. 3.1 sporting such features as:
A poleyester leisure suit, platform shoes, a pink cadillac, fuzzy dice,
and a gold tooth!
Message no. 5
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:24:39 EDT
On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:12:37 +1000 "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD"
>> Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got
>the
>> plague.
>> I got it right.


Sorry about that last post ya'll, I didn't catch that last part. You win
whatever you want Mr. Tinner :)


Now using Gweedo the Killer Pimp ver. 3.1 sporting such features as:
A poleyester leisure suit, platform shoes, a pink cadillac, fuzzy dice,
and a gold tooth!
Message no. 6
From: Kevin White <kevw@*****.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:12:22 +0100
> > The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish
discolorations on
> > the skin as the disease onset.
> > Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
> > Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
> > plague.
> > I got it right.
> > What do I win? :-)
> >
> Well.....how about a case of the plague?
>
> BTW; In the version of the rhyme I've heard, the line is
> "Atishoo (ie; sneezing), Atishoo, we all fall down"
>
> Strange how thigs get adapted from county to country.
>
AFAIK the atishoo refers to the fact that sneezing was a symptom just
prior to death of the plague.

Funny any time anyone mentions the plague I always get an image of
Madaline Carr in Yellowbeard explaining away a pile of bodies.

Diamond
Message no. 7
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:02:30 -0400
Steven A. Tinner wrote,
>The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish discolorations on
>the skin as the disease onset.
>Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
>Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
>plague.
>I got it right.
>What do I win? :-)

I wanted to answer that. While on the dark side of things, do you
recall the original Brothers Grimm fairy tales. Ghastly stuff that.

On topic, I will also take ideas or moods from music. As music is a
major part of my life that should come as no surprise.

- MC23, who probably just started another music influence thread -
Message no. 8
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:34:24 +0100
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Fisher, Victor wrote:

> speculative sciences, or history. Or mythology. Maybe even the study of
> the origin of a nursery rhyme [Does anybody remember 'Ring around the
> rosie?' Can anyone say what that rhyme's REALLY talking about, when it
> was conceived over 500 years ago?]
Wasn't it about the plague? The ring of roses referred to a ring of red
splotches on the skin which indicated infection, the pocketful of posey
was used to cover the smell of the rotting flesh, and 'all fall down'
refers to dying. I think this is correct anyway.


The Digital Mage aka Grant Erswell - mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it"
-Rush, Losing It
Message no. 9
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:37:15 +0100
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

> The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish discolorations on
> the skin as the disease onset.
> Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
> Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
I though that was a-tissue, a-tissue, we all fall down. I.e. sneezing? Or
have I had a misinformed youth? :)

The Digital Mage aka Grant Erswell - mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it"
-Rush, Losing It
Message no. 10
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:26:54 -0700
> Funny any time anyone mentions the plague I always get an image of
> Madaline Carr in Yellowbeard explaining away a pile of bodies.
>
> Diamond

I LOVED that movie as a kid...sheesh I haven't seen it in what...twelve
years or so.

Gotta rent it gottat rent it.

Caric

ps. BTW isn't her name Madeline Cahn?

"One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 11
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:35:06 -0500
On 09:44 PM 4/7/97 -0400, Fisher, Victor screamed at the world:
> What I am saying, is expand your
>reading criteria to other sources OUTSIDE science fiction, like
>speculative sciences, or history. Or mythology. Maybe even the study of
>the origin of a nursery rhyme [Does anybody remember 'Ring around the
>rosie?' Can anyone say what that rhyme's REALLY talking about, when it
>was conceived over 500 years ago?]
> Things like this can spark the imagination, and generate stories.
>Skim thru the Wall Street Journal once in awhile,
> Read some of the old classics, like Poe or Dumas, or even
>Shakespeare. Think what kind of updated twist you could present to your
>Shadowrun game, with your take on, say, Man in the Iron Mask, set
>against the high rise world of the megacorps

...here I was about to type in the bubonic plague when everyone else beat
me too it. FWIW, I remember "Ashes, ashes, we all fall down".

Back on topic, I've gotten the idea for my runs from various beasts -
[being intentionally vague because a gamer in my group is on this list]
I've got a large section in my campaign based on a television show (that's
not science fiction), another section based on H.P.Lovecraft (I know Bill's
going to be excited when he reads that), an adventure based on the Miss
America beauty pageant (and other beauty pageants), another adventure based
off of a Mission: Impossible episode, another one based on a Clint Eastwood
movie (the one that also had Don Rickles in it).

But I see what Victor is talking about. If you just use characters and
situations found in other science fiction stories, you'll wind up with a
limited number of adventure ideas. It's good advice - read a book.


-Thomas Deeny
telltale.hart.org

"I'll get it." [BLAM BLAM BLAM]
"Man, you suck."
-Hellboy and The Savage Dragon, trying to prevent Hitler's brain from
escaping.
Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:08:54 +0100
|
|> Maybe even the study of
|> the origin of a nursery rhyme [Does anybody remember 'Ring around the
|> rosie?' Can anyone say what that rhyme's REALLY talking about, when it
|> was conceived over 500 years ago?]
|
|The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish discolorations on
|the skin as the disease onset.
|Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
|Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
|plague.
|I got it right.

Nope... You didn't....

The correct rhyme goes....

Ring-a-ring-a-roses
A pocket full of posies
Atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down....

(Not ashes, ashes... Don't know where you got that from...)

|What do I win? :-)

Todays special BOOBY prize, a lifetime supply of micro$oft products....
:)

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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:16:53 +0100
|>Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|You forgot about everybody falling down, you know when they die, Mr.
|Tinner. You win what's behind door number 3. . . . . .A Rock
|Band!!!!!!!!! :)

No he didn't..... Look....
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:23:22 +0100
|
|On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
|
|> The Black (Bubonic) Plague left small "rosies" or reddish discolorations
on
|> the skin as the disease onset.
|> Posies (pocketsfull) were a superstition supposed to keep the plague away.
|> Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the

|I though that was a-tissue, a-tissue, we all fall down. I.e. sneezing? Or
|have I had a misinformed youth? :)

You're right.
The original and correct version is atissue, or however you choose to spell
it..... I imagine people corrupted it to ashes a lot later...
(It might be an american thing as well... Anyone who can't spell colour... I
mean, REALLY....)

:)
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 15
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:37:19 -0500
At 06:08 PM 4/8/97 +0100, Spike wrote:
>|I got it right.
>
>Nope... You didn't....
>
>The correct rhyme goes....
>
>Ring-a-ring-a-roses
>A pocket full of posies
>Atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down....
>
>(Not ashes, ashes... Don't know where you got that from...)

Hate to break this to you Spike (ok, that's a lie) but in the US, it's:

Ring around the rosies
pocket full of posies
ashes, ashes, we all fall down.

Now, whether the interpretion of what it meant was right, I don't know.
But I think this is another one of those many instances where there's a
difference between how it's done in the US and the UK (or all of Europe, I
dunno).


Mike Broadwater

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them much myself.
They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:43:30 +0100
|>The correct rhyme goes....
|>
|>Ring-a-ring-a-roses
|>A pocket full of posies
|>Atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down....
|>
|>(Not ashes, ashes... Don't know where you got that from...)
|
|Hate to break this to you Spike (ok, that's a lie) but in the US, it's:
|
|Ring around the rosies
|pocket full of posies
|ashes, ashes, we all fall down.

Well, I *did* say CORRECT rhyme....
The yanks obviously changed it, can't imagine why...

That rhyme's been around since *BEFORE* america was discovered....
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
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|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:26:01 +0100
Michael Broadwater said on 12:37/ 8 Apr 97...

> Now, whether the interpretion of what it meant was right, I don't know.
> But I think this is another one of those many instances where there's a
> difference between how it's done in the US and the UK (or all of Europe, I
> dunno).

AFAIK it's an English rhyme, I don't believe many kids' rhymes/songs over
here are about deadly epidemics from the past.

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Message no. 18
From: Brett Borger <SwiftOne@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:04:56 -0400
>> Now, whether the interpretion of what it meant was right, I don't know.
>> But I think this is another one of those many instances where there's a
>> difference between how it's done in the US and the UK (or all of Europe, I
>> dunno).
>
>AFAIK it's an English rhyme, I don't believe many kids' rhymes/songs over
>here are about deadly epidemics from the past.

In the US we just tell jokes.

Also, re: Ashes, ashes (or whatever), I believe the UrbanLegends FAQ has an
entry on that....but I don't recall what it said.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 19
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:04:06 EDT
On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:23:22 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>You're right.
>The original and correct version is atissue, or however you choose to
spell
>it..... I imagine people corrupted it to ashes a lot later...
>(It might be an american thing as well... Anyone who can't spell
colour... I
>mean, REALLY....)
>
>:)

There you go again!!..... flaunting your superfluous U's...

:)
~Tim ("But you don't pnounce it 'colewr' so why spell it that way?!?" )
Message no. 20
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:04:06 EDT
On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:08:54 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>The correct rhyme goes....
>
>Ring-a-ring-a-roses
>A pocket full of posies
>Atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down....
>
>(Not ashes, ashes... Don't know where you got that from...)

Phonetics.
Imagine a bunch of little 5 year-olds chanting something... do expect
them to get it right?

Anyway _I_ remember growing up knowing it as "ashes, ashes", but then
learning that the original rhyme was something more along the lines of a
sneeze - and quite a bit more grim.

Isn't it amazing what we teach kids? A song/game about a plague that
killed something like 1/3 of the worlds population (I could be grossly
mistaken on that statistic..), and then there's all those fairy tales....
not the nice disney versions, but the REAL ones.

~Tim (who's disapointed that disney didn't leave the real ending in the
Hunchback...)
Message no. 21
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:54:33 -0400
>>The correct rhyme goes....
>>
>>Ring-a-ring-a-roses
>>A pocket full of posies
>>Atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down....
>>
>>(Not ashes, ashes... Don't know where you got that from...)
>
>Phonetics.
>Imagine a bunch of little 5 year-olds chanting something... do expect
>them to get it right?
>
>Anyway _I_ remember growing up knowing it as "ashes, ashes", but then
>learning that the original rhyme was something more along the lines of a
>sneeze - and quite a bit more grim.

I even heard the 'ashes' part was because back in those days, they
used to burn charcoal, and wood, to create smoke, which they hoped would
ward of the 'evil spirits'. Phonetics sounds resonable too.
What if you based a Shadowrun on such an innoculous nursery rhyme
like that? It colud be a warning about something from long ago, but has
since lost it's meaning [until the Shadowrunners stumble across it of
course :-]

Victor [aka Kohl, with a touch of the plague myself]

'Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!'
Message no. 22
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:03:06 EDT
On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:08:54 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:

>|Ashes, ashes, all fall down is essentially what happened if you got the
>|plague.
>|I got it right.
>
>Nope... You didn't....

Actually, Spike, I'd guess that Tinner did get it right, according to how
he was taught it (that is the same and, up til now, only version I had
ever heard). I'm not disputing the validity of your claim, just
supporting his:)



>The correct rhyme goes....
<snip>
>(Not ashes, ashes... Don't know where you got that from...)
>

The bodies of those who died from the plague would have been burned to
prevent the spread of infection.

>|What do I win? :-)
>
>Todays special BOOBY prize, a lifetime supply of micro$oft
>products....
>:)
>

Oh, not even _you_ are that cruel!
:):)

--
-Canthros
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let him prepare for war. canthros1@***.com
--Roman proverb
http://members.aol.com/canthros1/
Message no. 23
From: Kevin White <kevw@*****.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:36:26 +0100
L Canthros wrote:
>
> The bodies of those who died from the plague would have been burned to
> prevent the spread of infection.
>
AFAIK at the time they were not aware of what caused the plague and how
it was transmitted. They might have burnt the bodies of those who
couldn't afford a burial.

On the plot ideas front, I had an idea for a series of adventures from
the ideas that sprung up in my mind when listening to a Skunk Anansie
album. Unfortunately, I never bothered writing them down so I'll have to
listen to it again and get a different load of ideas.

Diamond
Message no. 24
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:49:21 +0100
|There you go again!!..... flaunting your superfluous U's...
|
|:)
|~Tim ("But you don't pnounce it 'colewr' so why spell it that way?!?" )
|

We don't pronounce it colOr, we pronounce it more like c<uh>l<uh>r or in
some areas c<o>l<uh>r....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:53:30 +0100
|Isn't it amazing what we teach kids?

Hey, it's a way to teach them subliminally about the unpleasantness of
life...

They don't realise what they're singing until they get older and then.....

A song/game about a plague that
|killed something like 1/3 of the worlds population (I could be grossly
|mistaken on that statistic..), and then there's all those fairy tales....
|not the nice disney versions, but the REAL ones.

Like the ORIGINAL Sleeping Beauty, where the prince was so overcome with her
beauty that he raped her? (Cleaned up to a single kiss much later...)

|~Tim (who's disapointed that disney didn't leave the real ending in the
|Hunchback...)

Not seen it...
I think the last disney blockbuster I saw was Lion King....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 26
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:06:29 +0100
| I even heard the 'ashes' part was because back in those days, they
|used to burn charcoal, and wood, to create smoke, which they hoped would
|ward of the 'evil spirits'. Phonetics sounds resonable too.
| What if you based a Shadowrun on such an innoculous nursery rhyme
|like that? It colud be a warning about something from long ago, but has
|since lost it's meaning [until the Shadowrunners stumble across it of
|course :-]

Time to dig out a pre-pollitical-correctness book of nursery rhymes
methinks?

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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 27
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:44:56 -0500
On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Fisher, Victor wrote:

[snip stuff]

> >Anyway _I_ remember growing up knowing it as "ashes, ashes", but then
> >learning that the original rhyme was something more along the lines of a
> >sneeze - and quite a bit more grim.
>
> I even heard the 'ashes' part was because back in those days, they
> used to burn charcoal, and wood, to create smoke, which they hoped would
> ward of the 'evil spirits'. Phonetics sounds resonable too.
> What if you based a Shadowrun on such an innoculous nursery rhyme
> like that? It colud be a warning about something from long ago, but has
> since lost it's meaning [until the Shadowrunners stumble across it of
> course :-]

Sounds like the plot to an episode of MacGyver I saw once.

>
> Victor [aka Kohl, with a touch of the plague myself]
>
> 'Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!

'eh! I'm not dead yet!

-Q


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It tastes disgustingly like Pepsi.

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http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer
Message no. 28
From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Plot ideas for Shadowrun
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:30:01 -0500
> > 'Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!
>
> 'eh! I'm not dead yet!
>


Yes you are
No I'm not
Look 'ere, I cahn't take 'im, if he's not dead
Well he's mostly dead
No I'm not, I feel happy
.
.
.
Bonk on head



Sorry couldn't resist

Bill

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