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Message no. 1
From: jhm@***.digex.net (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:35:04 -0400
Greetings,

Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.

jhm

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Message no. 2
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:56:20 +0000 (GMT)
|
|Greetings,
|
|Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.

Well....
I'm in one, and the GM is also on this list, but, at the moment it seems to
be on hold.....
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Message no. 3
From: casper@**********.org (Doug Glass)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:07:42 -0600 (CST)
>Greetings,
>
>Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.

Ummmm, I was in one but the GM got tired of it and broke it up;) There
have to be some out there though, try a personal ad in
rec.games.frp.announce or look for one someone has already posted...
-ColdSmoke


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Message no. 4
From: Joe Atkins <joe@****.internetwis.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:53:23 -0600
A Halliwell wrote:
>
> |
> |Greetings,
> |
> |Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.
>
> Well....
> I'm in one, and the GM is also on this list, but, at the moment it seems to
> be on hold.....
> --Tell me about it. There hasn't been any mail for a month.
Damon are you out there????

Joe Atkins
Message no. 5
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 04:45:14 -0600
>|
>|Greetings,
>|
>|Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.
>
>Well....
>I'm in one, and the GM is also on this list, but, at the moment it seems to
>be on hold.....

Well, pooh. I'd like to play in one as well.

-Thomas "The Eternal Gamemaster" Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Fear and suppression: the twin cornerstones of good government."
-Lord Gessler, _Crossbow_

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Message no. 6
From: casper@**********.org (Doug Glass)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 10:10:57 -0600 (CST)
>Damon are you out there????

Were you in my PBeM??? The one where we were in that corp place and we
rapelled down the wall, then my car was screwed to bloody hell, then
there was a roadblock and I made a U-Turn??? Anyways, the GM said that he
was into Magic: TG or some other horrid thing and was discontinuing the
game...
-ColdSmoke


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Message no. 7
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:47:48 -0500
At 10:10 3/31/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>>Damon are you out there????
>
>Were you in my PBeM??? The one where we were in that corp place and we
>rapelled down the wall, then my car was screwed to bloody hell, then
>there was a roadblock and I made a U-Turn??? Anyways, the GM said that he
>was into Magic: TG or some other horrid thing and was discontinuing the
>game...
>-ColdSmoke
>

What's wrong with Magic? It's great when you need a game sfix and you can't
get your group together to play. Don't knock it.

BLAIR
Message no. 8
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:20:00 -0600
>What's wrong with Magic? It's great when you need a game sfix and you can't
>get your group together to play. Don't knock it.
>
>BLAIR
>

Granted, but Magic is crack for gamers. Just try not to think about how
much you spent on your deck. I try not to think about how much I've spent
on my SW:CCG deck, and that's only been out a few months.

Anyone want multiples of "Han's Back"?

-Thomas "Oh boy, *another* Timer Mine" Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Fear and suppression: the twin cornerstones of good government."
-Lord Gessler, _Crossbow_

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Message no. 9
From: casper@**********.org (Doug Glass)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:54:37 -0600 (CST)
>What's wrong with Magic? It's great when you need a game sfix and you can't
>get your group together to play. Don't knock it.

Bah, it's just a personal thing I have against any kind of card games, sorry.
-ColdSmoke


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---''--- flourished. The Congress Parrots and a Lame Duck named Exon
"" became very afraid.. and Darkness fell over the Land."
Message no. 10
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:04:23 PST
>>What's wrong with Magic? It's great when you need a game sfix and you can't
>>get your group together to play. Don't knock it.
>
>Bah, it's just a personal thing I have against any kind of card games, sorry.

The ONLY thing to do in that game is munchkin. I still have some of
those cards. I actually buy magic cards occasoinally. If I want to
solve one of those "cut up the card to do <object>" puzzles.
Message no. 11
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:23:09 -0500
At 14:04 3/31/96 PST, Benjamin wrote:
[SNIP} (Magic:TG stuff)

>The ONLY thing to do in that game is munchkin.

Getting and using the tools that will keep you alive in munchkin? Did you
grow out of your survival instinct?

BLAIR
Message no. 12
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:37:06 PST
>>The ONLY thing to do in that game is munchkin.
>
>Getting and using the tools that will keep you alive in munchkin? Did you
>grow out of your survival instinct?
Noooo...

however, I have seen someone playing with a deck full of cards HE made
against a guy with just a starter.

First turn:
"I put down this land."
"I summon god. It kills you. I win."

--
Shiftboy (aka Benjamin Kercheval)
benjamin@*****.com (NOT whatever happenes to be in the From: line today)

Probably the world's only 14-year-old Weretiger PhysAd

no website
Message no. 13
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:41:07 -0500
At 17:37 3/31/96 PST, you wrote:
>>>The ONLY thing to do in that game is munchkin.
>>
>>Getting and using the tools that will keep you alive in munchkin? Did you
>>grow out of your survival instinct?
>Noooo...
>
>however, I have seen someone playing with a deck full of cards HE made
>against a guy with just a starter.
>
>First turn:
>"I put down this land."
>"I summon god. It kills you. I win."

Whoopie! You met one munchkin M:TG player and one stupid one. Stuff happens,
The game is designed to be customizable. I've seen kill decks that can wipe
out an opponent in 6 turns. Those guys don't play much. See how it works?
Message no. 14
From: Damon Wilson <damontw@****.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 96 20:15 MST
At 10:10 AM 3/31/96 -0600, Coldsmoke wrote:
>
>
>>Damon are you out there????
>
>Were you in my PBeM??? The one where we were in that corp place and we
>rapelled down the wall, then my car was screwed to bloody hell, then
>there was a roadblock and I made a U-Turn??? Anyways, the GM said that he
>was into Magic: TG or some other horrid thing and was discontinuing the
>game...
>-ColdSmoke
>
Uh...no sir. I was running a PBeM game and have had two things happen. One,
I have lost my notebook that had all of the current 'run material in it. I
have tracked it to being at another friend's house and of course neither he
nor his wife have seen it. Two, I have hit a horrible huge dose of writer's
block. I would like to run an exciting game via the internet, but with my
current schedule, I cannot spare the time that it takes me to run a game
that I will be satisfied with.

Damon
Message no. 15
From: Marizhavashti Kali <xenya@********.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:41:43 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Benjamin wrote:

> Noooo...
> however, I have seen someone playing with a deck full of cards HE made
> against a guy with just a starter.
> First turn:
> "I put down this land."
> "I summon god. It kills you. I win."

Then again, there was the time my opponent played this highly tuned deck
and played a Sol Ring, three Mox on first turn.

So, I immediately played this card that gave all Artifacts an upkeep.
*poof*

Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@********.com | Marizhavashti Kali
"Whose religion is this?" "It's not a religion, it's a cult."
"Whose cult
is this?" "It's Hubbard's cult, baby." "Who's Hubbard?"
"Hubbard's dead,
baby. Hubbard's dead." -Meme-
Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:52:58 +0100
Benjamin said on 31 Mar 96...

> however, I have seen someone playing with a deck full of cards HE made
> against a guy with just a starter.
>
> First turn:
> "I put down this land."
> "I summon god. It kills you. I win."

The best way to keep someone *away* from a game, doing this sort of
thing...

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Message no. 17
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:13:03 +0100 (BST)
|
|
|
|>What's wrong with Magic? It's great when you need a game sfix and you can't
|>get your group together to play. Don't knock it.
|
|Bah, it's just a personal thing I have against any kind of card games, sorry.
|-ColdSmoke

I've got nothing against STANDARD card games, like pontoon (err, 21?) or
whatever.

I vowed never to buy another Wizards or the Coast product because of the way
they crapped on the RPGs however.
I also have no intention of getting caught by the CCG bug. I bought one deck
og MAGIC before Wizards sold out, and that's it.
|
|--
| O < ===== Sqwwwaak! "Free Speech. Free Whaaat??"
| ( ) "Once upon a time, all Parrots were Free and Light on the Internet
|---''--- flourished. The Congress Parrots and a Lame Duck named Exon
| "" became very afraid.. and Darkness fell over the Land."
|


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______________________________________________________________________________
| |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack in |
|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
| |move, with no hope of rescue. |
|Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
|Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
|Comp Sci & Visual Arts | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy. |
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can still say FUCK! Americans can't|
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Message no. 18
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:32:50 +0100 (BST)
|Uh...no sir. I was running a PBeM game and have had two things happen. One,
|I have lost my notebook that had all of the current 'run material in it. I
|have tracked it to being at another friend's house and of course neither he
|nor his wife have seen it. Two, I have hit a horrible huge dose of writer's
|block. I would like to run an exciting game via the internet, but with my
|current schedule, I cannot spare the time that it takes me to run a game
|that I will be satisfied with.

Does this mean Cat and co are currently in temporal stasis?
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______________________________________________________________________________
| |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack in |
|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
| |move, with no hope of rescue. |
|Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
|Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
|Comp Sci & Visual Arts | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy. |
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Message no. 19
From: Sakura <jeffj@**.COM>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:12:22 -0600 (CST)
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Marizhavashti Kali wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Benjamin wrote:
> > Noooo...
> > however, I have seen someone playing with a deck full of cards HE made
> > against a guy with just a starter.
> > First turn:
> > "I put down this land."
> > "I summon god. It kills you. I win."
>
> Then again, there was the time my opponent played this highly tuned deck
> and played a Sol Ring, three Mox on first turn.
>
> So, I immediately played this card that gave all Artifacts an upkeep.
> *poof*

ARGH! NO! THIS IS NOT MAGIC-L!! Having said that, let me continue in a
more normal tone of voice: -please- don't keep this thread up - if I had
any interest in Magic remaining, I'd be subscribed to one of the 47
million discussion groups for it, not to ShadowRN.

Now, back on topic: PBEM games. I've never been in one, and I'm curious
as to how they work...I would imagine that they're rather difficult to
run, and you couldn't have much combat (or else it would take days for a
firefight!) if you were playing just like you would tabletop. How do the
GMs handle things like combat? How do they build any sort of tension when
turns take a day or so to finish?

Jeff (recovered addict) aka Black Jack Davy
Trapped in Bug City when the Wards went up
Call the fraggin' Marines!
...and make sure they bring some cigars.
Message no. 20
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:06:13 PST
>> First turn:
>> "I put down this land."
>> "I summon god. It kills you. I win."
>
>The best way to keep someone *away* from a game, doing this sort of
>thing...

That, the incredible costs, and the fact that everyone at the school
who plays hates me for some unknown reason, worked quite well.

--
Shiftboy (aka Benjamin Kercheval)
benjamin@*****.com (NOT whatever happenes to be in the From: line today)

Probably the world's only 14-year-old Weretiger PhysAd

no website

"Quotes don't mean shit"
-Gurth
Message no. 21
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:11:44 PST
>Now, back on topic: PBEM games. I've never been in one, and I'm curious
>as to how they work...I would imagine that they're rather difficult to
>run, and you couldn't have much combat (or else it would take days for a
>firefight!) if you were playing just like you would tabletop. How do the
>GMs handle things like combat? How do they build any sort of tension when
>turns take a day or so to finish?

Join mine!

Send me a char (If you want to make a new char, I'll send you my house
rules that would be munchkinous anywhere else..)

I personally use the dramatic tactical combat system. If it sounds
cool, It probably works.

--
Shiftboy (aka Benjamin Kercheval)
benjamin@*****.com (NOT whatever happenes to be in the From: line today)

Probably the world's only 14-year-old Weretiger PhysAd

no website

Bwahahahaha!
Message no. 22
From: casper@**********.org (Doug Glass)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:10:13 -0600 (CST)
>Send me a char (If you want to make a new char, I'll send you my house
>rules that would be munchkinous anywhere else..)
>
>I personally use the dramatic tactical combat system. If it sounds
>cool, It probably works.

Hey, I was't the one that sent the last msg but can I join too, please???


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---''--- flourished. The Congress Parrots and a Lame Duck named Exon
"" became very afraid.. and Darkness fell over the Land."
Message no. 23
From: Marizhavashti Kali <xenya@********.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:29:13 -0800 (PST)
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Sakura wrote:

>
> ARGH! NO! THIS IS NOT MAGIC-L!! Having said that, let me continue in a
> more normal tone of voice: -please- don't keep this thread up - if I had
> any interest in Magic remaining, I'd be subscribed to one of the 47
> million discussion groups for it, not to ShadowRN.

I bet that your message would have worked better if you'd simply posted to
the list without the complaint... No, really... I'm sure it worked just
fine, but hey, it's easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar, and all
that...

> Now, back on topic: PBEM games. I've never been in one, and I'm curious
> as to how they work...I would imagine that they're rather difficult to
> run, and you couldn't have much combat (or else it would take days for a
> firefight!) if you were playing just like you would tabletop. How do the
> GMs handle things like combat? How do they build any sort of tension when
> turns take a day or so to finish?
>
> Jeff (recovered addict) aka Black Jack Davy
> Trapped in Bug City when the Wards went up
> Call the fraggin' Marines!
> ...and make sure they bring some cigars.
>

Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@********.com | Marizhavashti Kali
"Whose religion is this?" "It's not a religion, it's a cult."
"Whose cult
is this?" "It's Hubbard's cult, baby." "Who's Hubbard?"
"Hubbard's dead,
baby. Hubbard's dead." -Meme-
Message no. 24
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:43 +0100
Sakura said on 1 Apr 96...

> Now, back on topic: PBEM games. I've never been in one, and I'm curious
> as to how they work...I would imagine that they're rather difficult to
> run, and you couldn't have much combat (or else it would take days for a
> firefight!) if you were playing just like you would tabletop. How do the
> GMs handle things like combat? How do they build any sort of tension when
> turns take a day or so to finish?

Only a day? :) The way to handle combat, at least the one that I found
works quite well, is to get th players to send in larger moves than just
"I shoot the first guard I see." If they give you ifs and whens, you have
something to build a combat around so it doesn't take five weeks to finish
one two-turn shoot-out.

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Message no. 25
From: melchar@****.darkside.com (Melchar)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 11:35:20 PST
> Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.

I run an email Shadowrun game (it's message/response format) at a
local BBS that can be telenetted into. The BBS is gnomes.org (& I'm
Melchar@******.org there)
So far it's been very popular
Message no. 26
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:45:21 -0500
On Apr 02, 1996 11:35:20, 'melchar@****.darkside.com (Melchar)' wrote:


>> Are there any SR I/II Play-by-Email games running or about to run? Tnx.
>
>I run an email Shadowrun game (it's message/response format) at a
>local BBS that can be telenetted into. The BBS is gnomes.org (& I'm
>Melchar@******.org there)
>So far it's been very popular

Hmmm, I would be interested. Does this BBS have any membership costs?

Second, I am a novice when it comes to PMeM Shadowrun, while I've played
Shadowrun much, and PMeM (mostly VGAP) a bit. I'm not familiar with PMeM
Shadowrun, how does it work? Also, do you have any openings in your game?

Thanks!

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Message no. 27
From: gilean@****.muscanet.com (Kurt Montgomery)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:31:26 -0600
>Benjamin said on 31 Mar 96...
>
>> however, I have seen someone playing with a deck full of cards HE made
>> against a guy with just a starter.
>>
>> First turn:
>> "I put down this land."
>> "I summon god. It kills you. I win."
>
Actually to piss off a friend who plays this game, I did almost that, He
never did find out why a Tarrasque dosen't appear anywhere on price guides.

(he, he, 14/7 trample, 0 Regenerates, cannot be the target of spells or
effects.)
Message no. 28
From: "St. Jean, Ricky" <stjeanr@*******.CANADOREC.ON.CA>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 17:39:00 EST
I won't be at this address very long and it may be a few weeks till i can
join
up again but could someone post how they run their games. I would love
to join one but due to circumstances i can't

thanx

Munchkin Pres.
<<<<stjeanr@*******.CANADORE.ON.CA>>>>
Message no. 29
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:48:47 +0300 (EET DST)
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Faux Pas wrote:

> >What's wrong with Magic? It's great when you need a game sfix and you can't
> >get your group together to play. Don't knock it.
> >
> Granted, but Magic is crack for gamers. Just try not to think about how
> much you spent on your deck. I try not to think about how much I've spent

Roleplaying is going out, now it's just card games. Those companies which
don't make card games may not survive -- just look at GDW -- which is of
course the reason everybody's making card games right now. New gamers don't
get into roleplaying games, they just play M:tG. Some of my friends have
stopped roleplaying altogether, due to limited time they had to choose
between card game tournaments and roleplaying, and they chose card games.

But hey, that's life, things come and go. Sad but inevitable.



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Message no. 30
From: Larry <lomion@********.net>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:12:43 -0500
>Roleplaying is going out, now it's just card games. Those companies which
>don't make card games may not survive -- just look at GDW -- which is of
>course the reason everybody's making card games right now. New gamers don't
>get into roleplaying games, they just play M:tG. Some of my friends have
>stopped roleplaying altogether, due to limited time they had to choose
>between card game tournaments and roleplaying, and they chose card games.
>
>But hey, that's life, things come and go. Sad but inevitable.

I disagree here, sure Magic and card games have hurt the RPG industry it's
still going strong. Look at T$R, they've hired a bunch of new writers and
stuff to deal with the fact that they've lost some of the market. (I know
ppl at T$R and RPGA HQ) In fact RPGA membership has grown despite internal
problems.
Besides those card games are passing, WOC who make magic had to sell a bunch
of assets
and put other things on hold and layoff ppl because of money problems. It's
all cycles,
now the biggest thing is tabletop games like Warhammer 40K and such. Also
the main RPG'ers are getting older, but I see alot of younger kids starting
out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl into RPG's and their in
their 20's).
Larry Sica
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Message no. 31
From: Dane Jensen <danejens@********.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 16:55:16 +0000
Larry wrote:
>
> >Roleplaying is going out, now it's just card games. Those companies which
> >don't make card games may not survive -- just look at GDW -- which is of
> >course the reason everybody's making card games right now. New gamers don't
> >get into roleplaying games, they just play M:tG. Some of my friends have
> >stopped roleplaying altogether, due to limited time they had to choose
> >between card game tournaments and roleplaying, and they chose card games.
>
> Besides those card games are passing, WOC who make magic had to sell a bunch
> of assets
> and put other things on hold and layoff ppl because of money problems. It's
> all cycles,
> now the biggest thing is tabletop games like Warhammer 40K and such. Also
> the main RPG'ers are getting older, but I see alot of younger kids starting
> out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl into RPG's and their in
> their 20's).

I'm one of those younder kids. Look at my geek code for my age. I've gotten a group at my
school
that plays shadowrun and earthdawn on weekends and whenever. As for the card games they're
a
waste of money as far as I'm concerned. Sure RPG books are around $18 but for that if you
pick
good books will last a long time, while the card games you're more apt to get the cards
you don't
want in pack.

Dane

P.S. I also play 40K with an older group who has figures to lend me during games.

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Message no. 32
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:13:34 +0100 (BST)
|Besides those card games are passing, WOC who make magic had to sell a bunch
|of assets and put other things on hold and layoff ppl because of money
|problems. It's all cycles, now the biggest thing is tabletop games like

HAH!!!!!
Good! That'll teach 'em for dropping all the RPG stuff.
The RPG stuff was a low profit, stable foundation, and they blew their
foundation up on a new, untested market. They also betrayed all their
previous customer base.
They deserve going bust if you ask me....


|Warhammer 40K and such. Also the main RPG'ers are getting older, but I see

Arghhh! NOT >*gasp*< GAMES WORKSHOP!!!!!!
They are Worse than WotC! If they'd had their was, the British gaming
industry would have been THEM, and nothing *but* them.
Look at what they did to White Dwarf!

|alot of younger kids starting out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl
|into RPG's and they're in their 20's).

I didn't start gaming 'till about '88. I was 20 then.
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Message no. 33
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:32:16 +0100 (BST)
|
||Besides those card games are passing, WOC who make magic had to sell a bunch
||of assets and put other things on hold and layoff ppl because of money
||problems. It's all cycles, now the biggest thing is tabletop games like
|
|HAH!!!!!
|Good! That'll teach 'em for dropping all the RPG stuff.
|The RPG stuff was a low profit, stable foundation, and they blew their
|foundation up on a new, untested market. They also betrayed all their
|previous customer base.
|They deserve going bust if you ask me....
|
|
||Warhammer 40K and such. Also the main RPG'ers are getting older, but I see
|
|Arghhh! NOT >*gasp*< GAMES WORKSHOP!!!!!!
|They are Worse than WotC! If they'd had their was, the British gaming
^
Ooops. I meant way....

|industry would have been THEM, and nothing *but* them.
|Look at what they did to White Dwarf!
|
||alot of younger kids starting out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl
||into RPG's and they're in their 20's).
|
|I didn't start gaming 'till about '88. I was 20 then.
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Message no. 34
From: dherr@********.net (David Herr)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 96 11:02:27 EST
On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:13:34 +0100 (BST) you wrote:

>|alot of younger kids starting out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl
>|into RPG's and they're in their 20's).
>
>I didn't start gaming 'till about '88. I was 20 then.
>--
Us Younglings have more of a presence in the rpg market than you might
think, I'm only 17 now and have been playing various rpgs since I was
twelve, and in my area thats not that unsusal. I started with
battletech, then moved into ad&d (which I've since droped) and
Shadowrun (A really killer game). The only problem 'round these parts
is a lack of GM's.
Message no. 35
From: Dane Jensen <danejens@********.com>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 15:47:16 +0000
David Herr wrote:
>
> On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:13:34 +0100 (BST) you wrote:
>
> >|alot of younger kids starting out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl
> >|into RPG's and they're in their 20's).
> >
> >I didn't start gaming 'till about '88. I was 20 then.
> >--
> Us Younglings have more of a presence in the rpg market than you might
> think, I'm only 17 now and have been playing various rpgs since I was
> twelve, and in my area thats not that unsusal. I started with
> battletech, then moved into ad&d (which I've since droped) and
> Shadowrun (A really killer game). The only problem 'round these parts
> is a lack of GM's.

My problem isn't that there arn't that many GMs out there it's that the
groups don't want to play with a 13 year old whos played the game since
he was 8 with older freinds and brothers.
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Message no. 36
From: bqtech1@***.pipeline.com (Andrew W. Ragland)
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:45:45 -0500
On Apr 06, 1996 15:47:16, 'Dane Jensen <danejens@********.com>' wrote:


>My problem isn't that there arn't that many GMs out there it's that the
>groups don't want to play with a 13 year old whos played the game since
>he was 8 with older freinds and brothers.

We have a rule against under-18s because of a couple of problems we've had
in the past. Everybody under 18 we've ever allowed in against the rulehas
caused trouble in one way or another. Some don't take the social commitment
seriously, and drop out of the game because they want to go party or
whatever. Others didn't have the maturity to handle it when something
happened to their character, or got into personality clashes with other
players. We've got a good sized group now of people all over 21, which is
doing very well. Sorry if you're being tarred with the same brush as other
13 year olds who aren't as good a player, but we've just been burned one
time too many.

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Message no. 37
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 22:21:52 -0800 (PST)
On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, David Herr wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:13:34 +0100 (BST) you wrote:
>
> >|alot of younger kids starting out as well as older ones (i've gotten a few ppl
> >|into RPG's and they're in their 20's).
> >
> >I didn't start gaming 'till about '88. I was 20 then.
> >--
> Us Younglings have more of a presence in the rpg market than you might
> think, I'm only 17 now and have been playing various rpgs since I was
> twelve, and in my area thats not that unsusal. I started with
> battletech, then moved into ad&d (which I've since droped) and
> Shadowrun (A really killer game). The only problem 'round these parts
> is a lack of GM's.
>
Rich folks kidnap all the good ones and hold them in special gaming
cells. Usually the GM's never notice the change in life....

Nutcracker
Message no. 38
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 96 17:08:33 +1030
>My problem isn't that there arn't that many GMs out there it's that the
>groups don't want to play with a 13 year old whos played the game since
>he was 8 with older freinds and brothers.

So you borrow your brother's books, get a few friends together, and GM
your own group!


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Message no. 39
From: Larry <lomion@********.net>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:22:45 -0400
>HAH!!!!!
>Good! That'll teach 'em for dropping all the RPG stuff.
>The RPG stuff was a low profit, stable foundation, and they blew their
>foundation up on a new, untested market. They also betrayed all their
>previous customer base.
>They deserve going bust if you ask me....
I'm in NJ and was at Dexcon 6, Sam Lewis was there and set up an anti-magic
room, were all games of and refrences to M:tg were banned. It was a busy
room too :>

>>Arghhh! NOT >*gasp*< GAMES WORKSHOP!!!!!!
>They are Worse than WotC! If they'd had their was, the British gaming
>industry would have been THEM, and nothing *but* them.
>Look at what they did to White Dwarf!

I hear you there GW has been getting a bit too arrogrant and full of
themselves lately. Reading those WD battle reports I wonder who taught them
strategy, Waldo? Then their damn price increases. It's always happens tho,
you get a good thing then some money hungry fool wants more more MORE!!! And
ruins it for the players.

So ends my little Rant and Rave

Larry Sica
lomion@**.cybernex.net
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Message no. 40
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: PMeM Shadowrun games ?
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:01:27 +0300 (EET DST)
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Sakura wrote:

> Now, back on topic: PBEM games. I've never been in one, and I'm curious
> as to how they work...I would imagine that they're rather difficult to
> run, and you couldn't have much combat (or else it would take days for a
> firefight!) if you were playing just like you would tabletop. How do the
> GMs handle things like combat? How do they build any sort of tension when
> turns take a day or so to finish?

The way I play fights in eMail is that the player tells me the basics of his
tactics, and then I tell him how the fight goes. If something drastic
happens that would seem to necessitate player intervention, then the
player gets to have a say. Playing fights any other way takes too much
time by eMail, as you pointed out. Another way would be to go to IRC for
fights, but that requires matching schedules, is slow, etc. The way I'm
doing it also lends itself easily to drama instead of dicerolling.

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