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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:05:40 -0600
Tim Cooper wrote:
|
| On Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:40:11 +0000 Khayman <gunnerhansen@********.DK>
| writes:
|
| >Yes I agree. Magical symbols has to be written on something sturdy
| >and lasting. But then again wizards carry them n their robes all the
| >time. This gotta be one of the good old: the GM decides ; )
|
| I see nothing wrong with inscribing a hermetic circle on some sort of
| fabric. I don't hink it really matters what the surface is, only that
| the circle remains intact. This of course means that something
| drawn/painted on a *large* sheet of something that is going to be rolled
| up and stuff is probably going to suffer a bit more wear and tear that
| something inscribed on a wood, stone, or linoleum floor. I do agree with
| the idea that you can't just pull it out of your pocket, unfold it and
| whip up a nice spirit... some care would probably need to be taken to
| ensure that it's all in order (but nothing like the hours that creating a
| whole new one would take).

How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?

-David
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Message no. 2
From: Mike Hartmann <hartmann@***********.M.EUNET.DE>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:18:27 +0000
> David wrote

> How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
>

No go. Those "circles" consist of chalk-drawings, candles, bells and
lots of other stuff like that.

bye mike
Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:45:29 -0600
Mike Hartmann wrote:
|
| > David wrote
|
| > How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
| >
|
| No go. Those "circles" consist of chalk-drawings, candles, bells and
| lots of other stuff like that.

Now, yes. But what if an industrious Sorceress/Seamstress with a
fair ammount of magical theory went to work on the problem...

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
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Message no. 4
From: Mike Hartmann <hartmann@***********.M.EUNET.DE>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:32:54 +0000
> | > How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
> |
> | No go. Those "circles" consist of chalk-drawings, candles, bells and
> | lots of other stuff like that.
>
> Now, yes. But what if an industrious Sorceress/Seamstress with a
> fair ammount of magical theory went to work on the problem...

What amount is fair? A skill of 10?
I'd rule the target number for creating a protable circle, which is
based only on "durable" material - ie no chalk, candles - is R*R.
The time R days. The cost for the materials (it would include a
ridicolous amount of orichalcum <eg>) might go up to R*R*1000 newyen
or even higher. Perhaps use the special material rules (the one for
foci in the Grimoire)

bye mike
Message no. 5
From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:58:59 -0500
Actually that would make a really cool run. Have some mage generate a
level 10 (or some other ungodly powerful thingy) circle on a large
handwoven rug. Then have the rug stolen, or steal it yourself ...


hours of fun


regards

Bill
Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:23:01 +0100
|How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?

It'd still need some setting up...
Placing of items that're also required (Like candles and so-on), making sure
it's perfectly flat... (Travel iron anyone???)
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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:27:55 +0100
|Now, yes. But what if an industrious Sorceress/Seamstress with a
|fair ammount of magical theory went to work on the problem...

It's truly amazing what you can do with a few million nuyens worth of
Oricalcum thread, isn't it??

:)
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Message no. 8
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:34:22 -0600
Spike wrote:
|
| |Now, yes. But what if an industrious Sorceress/Seamstress with a
| |fair ammount of magical theory went to work on the problem...
|
| It's truly amazing what you can do with a few million nuyens worth of
| Oricalcum thread, isn't it??
|
| :)

Okay, so maybe there's only one rug like this, but I think it's
possible.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:12:13 +0100
Mike Hartmann said on 15:18/27 Jun 97...

> > How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
>
> No go. Those "circles" consist of chalk-drawings, candles, bells and
> lots of other stuff like that.

SRII nowhere states _how_ a hermetic circle is drawn, it only says _that_
they're drawn. I would allow a character to draw one without using any
paint at all, just by going through the motions required to draw one. If
the physical appearance matters, then IMHO there wouldn't be so many
variations.

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Message no. 10
From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:15:55 -0600
Quoth Gurth:
>
> Mike Hartmann said on 15:18/27 Jun 97...
>
> > > How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
> >
> > No go. Those "circles" consist of chalk-drawings, candles, bells and
> > lots of other stuff like that.
>
> SRII nowhere states _how_ a hermetic circle is drawn, it only says _that_
> they're drawn. I would allow a character to draw one without using any
> paint at all, just by going through the motions required to draw one. If
> the physical appearance matters, then IMHO there wouldn't be so many
> variations.

I agree. What is there to keep a circle from being part way on the wall,
floor and ceiling of a room? The dimension that the magics worked upon
that the circle refer to may not be limited to 3 planes... or something
like that. I'd say as long as the circle is complete, what does it really
matter. It might make for some interesting situations.

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Mike Loseke | You never know how fluffy poodles are,
mike@*******.com | until you step in one.
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Message no. 11
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:36:05 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-27 17:44:04 EDT, dbuehrer@****.ORG (David Buehrer)
writes:

>
> Now, yes. But what if an industrious Sorceress/Seamstress with a
> fair ammount of magical theory went to work on the problem...
>
> -David
> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
>
>>>[I know of an Enchanter Adept character who got something like this down
to something a bit more portable yet...in this case the success test to
"create" the magical circle was used for not only the successs, but for the
ability to reduce the size of the object in question...1 net success reduced
the size by 1 meter...3 meter limit usually, but -very- unusual materials
could be gathered...]<<<
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:03:54 +0100
Mike Loseke said on 16:15/27 Jun 97...

> I agree. What is there to keep a circle from being part way on the wall,
> floor and ceiling of a room? The dimension that the magics worked upon
> that the circle refer to may not be limited to 3 planes... or something
> like that. I'd say as long as the circle is complete, what does it really
> matter. It might make for some interesting situations.

I'd never thought about letting people draw circles up onto the walls, but
it's an interesting thought. I'm not going to mention this to any
mage-players in my game, but if they come up with it themselves I'll let
them do it. However, I'm not going to allow the circle to overlap itself:
a rating 15 circle in a 3 x 3 x 2.5 meter room is definitely out of the
question :)

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Message no. 13
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:39:59 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 07:49:45 EDT, gurth@******.NL (Gurth) writes:

>
> > I agree. What is there to keep a circle from being part way on the
wall,
> > floor and ceiling of a room? The dimension that the magics worked upon
> > that the circle refer to may not be limited to 3 planes... or something
> > like that. I'd say as long as the circle is complete, what does it
really
> > matter. It might make for some interesting situations.
>
> I'd never thought about letting people draw circles up onto the walls, but
> it's an interesting thought. I'm not going to mention this to any
> mage-players in my game, but if they come up with it themselves I'll let
> them do it. However, I'm not going to allow the circle to overlap itself:
> a rating 15 circle in a 3 x 3 x 2.5 meter room is definitely out of the
> question :)
>
>>>[Let me really begin to get into this...the reason for the 'single plane'
geometry, is because you must contact other 'planes of existence' from a
common reference point...within the 'physical continuum', the best symbolic
reference that all parties involved identify with (the summoner and the
summoned) is a two-dimensional surface, thus evading the 'depth' of existence
as known on the summoner's plane of existence and escalating into the more
'fundamental' planes of existence used by other beings...sort of a "three
points form a plane" theory...]<<<
Message no. 14
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:43:02 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 08:39:35 EDT, hartmann@***********.M.EUNET.DE
(Mike Hartmann) writes:

>
> What amount is fair? A skill of 10?
> I'd rule the target number for creating a protable circle, which is
> based only on "durable" material - ie no chalk, candles - is R*R.
> The time R days. The cost for the materials (it would include a
> ridicolous amount of orichalcum <eg>) might go up to R*R*1000 newyen
> or even higher. Perhaps use the special material rules (the one for
> foci in the Grimoire)
>
> bye mike
>
>>>[Skill of 10?!?!? How about a skill of 6 in Magical Theory (we use the
term Paranormal Theory sometimes) and a skill of 6 in Enchantment and access
to some really good TOT (tools of the trade). Put some effort, karma, and
with luck, it isn't nearly so difficult...okay, sure, it all sounds new, but
it isn't really, it's just be "re-remembered" by the rest of the
sapients...]<<<
Message no. 15
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:47:17 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 09:46:27 EDT, mike@******.VERINET.COM (Mike
Loseke) writes:

>
> I agree. What is there to keep a circle from being part way on the wall,
> floor and ceiling of a room? The dimension that the magics worked upon
> that the circle refer to may not be limited to 3 planes... or something
> like that. I'd say as long as the circle is complete, what does it really
> matter. It might make for some interesting situations.
>
>>>[On another note, I forgot to add something...the concept of interlacing
and interconnecting circles is also very indicative of POWERFUL magic and
involves some pretty nasty crap. I know of only two incidents where "three
dimensional" circles were used (think of the supports on a globe), and in
those instances, the indications are of use only when contacting "higher
beings" such as Free Spirits maybe...]<<<
Message no. 16
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:54:51 -0500
>[On another note, I forgot to add something...the concept of interlacing
> and interconnecting circles is also very indicative of POWERFUL magic and
> involves some pretty nasty crap. I know of only two incidents where "three
> dimensional" circles were used (think of the supports on a globe), and in
> those instances, the indications are of use only when contacting "higher
> beings" such as Free Spirits maybe...]<<<

Metaplanes! I'm thinking Meataplanes. All the initiate magic is supposed
to be magic far and beyond the scope of anything a NORMAL mage could
comprehend.
Message no. 17
From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:31:31 -0600
Quoth J. Keith Henry:
>
> In a message dated 97-06-28 07:49:45 EDT, gurth@******.NL (Gurth) writes:
>
> >
> > > I agree. What is there to keep a circle from being part way on the
> wall,
> > > floor and ceiling of a room? The dimension that the magics worked upon
> > > that the circle refer to may not be limited to 3 planes... or something
> > > like that. I'd say as long as the circle is complete, what does it
> really
> > > matter. It might make for some interesting situations.
> >
> > I'd never thought about letting people draw circles up onto the walls, but
> > it's an interesting thought. I'm not going to mention this to any
> > mage-players in my game, but if they come up with it themselves I'll let
> > them do it. However, I'm not going to allow the circle to overlap itself:
> > a rating 15 circle in a 3 x 3 x 2.5 meter room is definitely out of the
> > question :)
> >
> >>>[Let me really begin to get into this...the reason for the 'single plane'
> geometry, is because you must contact other 'planes of existence' from a
> common reference point...within the 'physical continuum', the best symbolic
> reference that all parties involved identify with (the summoner and the
> summoned) is a two-dimensional surface, thus evading the 'depth' of existence
> as known on the summoner's plane of existence and escalating into the more
> 'fundamental' planes of existence used by other beings...sort of a "three
> points form a plane" theory...]<<<

Who's to say that all planes are referencing height and width as the
two-dimensional surface in question? I've never been to another plane
(at least in this life) so I know that I couldn't say for sure. Besides,
the summoning circle needs to be 3-dimensional anyway, otherwise it
wouldn't be able to contain the summoned - they could just step over the
circle because then they'd be out of the 2-dimensional plane described.
Drawing the circle halfway on the floor and halfway up the wall would
give you a 3-dimensional containment area in the shape of a quarter of
a sphere.

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Mike Loseke | You never know how fluffy poodles are,
mike@*******.com | until you step in one.
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Message no. 18
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:51:44 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 13:03:51 EDT, swordman@******.net (Swordman)
writes:

>
> Metaplanes! I'm thinking Meataplanes. All the initiate magic is supposed
> to be magic far and beyond the scope of anything a NORMAL mage could
> comprehend.
>
>>>[Relax a bit, I was thinking Metaplanes and Magic Fundamentals...and you
are correct in what you are saying about "far and beyond the scope..." but
sometimes understanding the possibilities of the basics makes the
possibilities of the advanced that much more fantastic.]<<<
Message no. 19
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:05:41 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 13:44:59 EDT, mike@******.VERINET.COM (Mike
Loseke) writes:

>
> Who's to say that all planes are referencing height and width as the
> two-dimensional surface in question? I've never been to another plane
> (at least in this life) so I know that I couldn't say for sure. Besides,
> the summoning circle needs to be 3-dimensional anyway, otherwise it
> wouldn't be able to contain the summoned - they could just step over the
> circle because then they'd be out of the 2-dimensional plane described.
> Drawing the circle halfway on the floor and halfway up the wall would
> give you a 3-dimensional containment area in the shape of a quarter of
> a sphere.
>
>
>>>[I do follow what you are saying, please understand that I am merely
pointing out the "symbolic representation" of such things on multiple planes
of existence. Remember also I said "any three points" form a plane...base
geometry...(the Hermetic Path)...You actually are NOT using the same
theory...there would be at least 4 points to your "circle." three to form
the lower (floor side) and three to form the perpendicular (wall side). In
this case, the two "planes" share intersecting points, thus intersecting
realities, where the floor and wall meet. Remember, symbolics are everything
in the magic of SR (and most systems if you get down to it), and the need for
an initial "3-dimension" containment field is irrelevant.]<<<
Message no. 20
From: Marcin Serkies <yasiu@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:09:05 +0200
At 07:05 27.06.97 -0600, you wrote:

>How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?

How about hologram ???

c-ya

Yasiu
Message no. 21
From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:10:45 -0600
Quoth J. Keith Henry:
>
> In a message dated 97-06-28 13:44:59 EDT, mike@******.VERINET.COM (Mike
> Loseke) writes:
>
> >
> > Who's to say that all planes are referencing height and width as the
> > two-dimensional surface in question? I've never been to another plane
> > (at least in this life) so I know that I couldn't say for sure. Besides,
> > the summoning circle needs to be 3-dimensional anyway, otherwise it
> > wouldn't be able to contain the summoned - they could just step over the
> > circle because then they'd be out of the 2-dimensional plane described.
> > Drawing the circle halfway on the floor and halfway up the wall would
> > give you a 3-dimensional containment area in the shape of a quarter of
> > a sphere.
> >
> >
> >>>[I do follow what you are saying, please understand that I am merely
> pointing out the "symbolic representation" of such things on multiple
planes
> of existence. Remember also I said "any three points" form a plane...base
> geometry...(the Hermetic Path)...You actually are NOT using the same
> theory...

What theory is that? Admittedly, I have not read every rule book cover
to cover, but I am not familiar with any discussions on the mathematics
involved with magic in SR. I don't read the (supposedly) canon SR novels
because of the low quality of the writing and super-hero character
identification that gets really thick, so I don't even know if that's
where you're coming from. If it's from something non-SR related (like
some new age book) then it doesn't really apply here, although it may
in your own campaign.

> there would be at least 4 points to your "circle." three to form
> the lower (floor side) and three to form the perpendicular (wall side). In
> this case, the two "planes" share intersecting points, thus intersecting
> realities, where the floor and wall meet. Remember, symbolics are everything
> in the magic of SR (and most systems if you get down to it), and the need for
> an initial "3-dimension" containment field is irrelevant.]<<<

Where does it say that symbolics are important? The magic system is
pretty abstract, much like the combat system, but I don't recall anything
saying that symbols are important. Spell locks can be made from almost
anything, anchors can be applied to almost anything and spells can be
quickened to anyone regardless of their appearance or relation to the
caster. The books only discuss as much mechanics as is necessary to do
what is allowed by the system. Then again, this could be in a section
I haven't read.

As far as the shape of the circle, why wouldn't you be able to make one
with 4 points? If you draw a perfect circle on the floor, I could stand
5 feet away and call it an ellipse. From my perspective you have failed
to draw a perfect circle. If a person draws a circle that happens to be
a bit elliptical, half on the floor, half on the wall, and someone looks
at it from the correct angle, they would see a perfect circle. The circle
that they perceive is on a 2-dimensional plane that can be described with
three points. What's the difference if it's drawn on a solid surface or
in the air?

Back to the original argument for a sec... I would say that a circle
could be drawn on a large carpet or tarp, and folded to be transported,
and used (once unfolded) without much problem.

--
|
Mike Loseke | You never know how fluffy poodles are,
mike@*******.com | until you step in one.
|
Message no. 22
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:15:30 +0100
|
|At 07:05 27.06.97 -0600, you wrote:
|
|>How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
|
|How about hologram ???

A little bit TOO artificial and technological....
But if it was made out of an enchanted material.... Maybe.....
(Like Oricalchum foil)...

Not really worth the expense though, and, come to think of it, the hologram
isn't the correct pattern for the circle...

(All it is, is a bunch of interference patterns on a light sensitive plate
that produces an image under the correct conditions....)


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Message no. 23
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:51:48 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 17:26:04 EDT, mike@******.VERINET.COM (Mike
Loseke) writes:

>
> Where does it say that symbolics are important? The magic system is
> pretty abstract, much like the combat system, but I don't recall anything
> saying that symbols are important. Spell locks can be made from almost
> anything, anchors can be applied to almost anything and spells can be
> quickened to anyone regardless of their appearance or relation to the
> caster. The books only discuss as much mechanics as is necessary to do
> what is allowed by the system. Then again, this could be in a section
> I haven't read.
>
> As far as the shape of the circle, why wouldn't you be able to make one
> with 4 points? If you draw a perfect circle on the floor, I could stand
> 5 feet away and call it an ellipse. From my perspective you have failed
> to draw a perfect circle. If a person draws a circle that happens to be
> a bit elliptical, half on the floor, half on the wall, and someone looks
> at it from the correct angle, they would see a perfect circle. The circle
> that they perceive is on a 2-dimensional plane that can be described with
> three points. What's the difference if it's drawn on a solid surface or
> in the air?

(Please note, no SR styling...) Sorry for getting lost in the topic, I'm
just used to playing/gming some VERY in depth games...the single surface
hermetic circles denote paraplanisms...and as for Symbology, I believe the
comments came up in the "Way of..." sections in the new SR Grimoire...

> Back to the original argument for a sec... I would say that a circle
> could be drawn on a large carpet or tarp, and folded to be transported,
> and used (once unfolded) without much problem.

Most definitely ;)
Message no. 24
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:10:22 EDT
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:09:05 +0200 Marcin Serkies <yasiu@******.COM>
writes:
>At 07:05 27.06.97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>How about embroidering (sewing) the circle into the fabric?
>
>How about hologram ???

Nah, too techie. Remember that magic and tech don't mix well.


--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
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Message no. 25
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:49:36 EDT
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:03:54 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Mike Loseke said on 16:15/27 Jun 97...
>
>> I agree. What is there to keep a circle from being part way on the
wall,
>> floor and ceiling of a room? The dimension that the magics worked upon
>> that the circle refer to may not be limited to 3 planes... or
something
>> like that. I'd say as long as the circle is complete, what does it
really
>> matter. It might make for some interesting situations.
>
>I'd never thought about letting people draw circles up onto the walls,
but
>it's an interesting thought. I'm not going to mention this to any
>mage-players in my game, but if they come up with it themselves I'll let
>them do it.

Nice idea and all, but how does one manage to stand, sit, etc.. inside
the circle if it's on the wall or ceiling? (imagnining mages hanging
from the ceiling, or having to use some sort of "stick myself to the
wall" spell...) :)

> However, I'm not going to allow the circle to overlap itself:
>a rating 15 circle in a 3 x 3 x 2.5 meter room is definitely out of the
>question :)

Awwww... you mean no hermetic Celtic knots?!?

Actually in all seriousness, since the circle generates a spherical
astral barrier the shape you'd get if it was on three separate planes
(floor, ceiling, wall) would be quite strange.... if not downright
impossible.

(Two planes is OK since instead of defining a full cross section, you
define the horizontal and vertical radii)

~Tim

~Tim
Message no. 26
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Portable Circles
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 13:10:12 GMT
J. Keith Henry writes
> >
> >>>[Relax a bit, I was thinking Metaplanes and Magic Fundamentals...and you
> are correct in what you are saying about "far and beyond the scope..." but
> sometimes understanding the possibilities of the basics makes the
> possibilities of the advanced that much more fantastic.]<<<
>
Very true in SR. Anchoring seems very expensive and awkward till you
read all of the main rulebook suitably carefully :)

Mark

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