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From:	Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:05:24 -0500

Message no. 1 HOLES TO FILL

The first holes that I want to fulfill would be:
What's the name Aztlaners shadowruners give to MR Johnson?
What's the name aztlaners give to shadowrunners?
What's the Aztlan dialect? Is a official language in Aztlan? Form where
did this language born?
How the Aztlan flag looks like? The shield? What's the mean of the
colors on the aztlan flag?
How did the 50 millions Catholics was converted to a new religion?
Where is the PRI? What happend to it?
What's the reason behind the peso norma y peso libre?
What's the FDN?
Why is Pavon (The creator of the Aztlan party Gueterrez?
Why Aztlan didn't take Los Angeles in the Dever Trate? And in the born
of CFS?
How the Veracruz Settlement work?
How the Aztechnology piramide was built in the "Centro historico"?
What happens to the Basilica de Guadalupe?
Why there were no revels in Guatemala , El Salvador or another
acquisition countries?
Other Mexicans cities change names like Tenochtitlan?
What happens in the conflict whit Texas?
How are the diplomatic relationships with the rest of the world?
How are conformed the biggest gangs in Aztlan? Colors territory,
organization
Why if ORO is a Colombian cartel business is in Mexico instead of
Colombia? What's the relationship with Mexicans drug cartels?
Did the Estado de Mexico Change name?
How do you translate Aztechnology?

Ahuizotl

From:	JThor27860@*.com JThor27860@*.com
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:07:35 EDT

Message no. 2 In a message dated 6/6/99 9:12:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx writes:

<< HOLES TO FILL

The first holes that I want to fulfill would be:
What's the name Aztlaners shadowruners give to MR Johnson?
What's the name aztlaners give to shadowrunners?
What's the Aztlan dialect? Is a official language in Aztlan? Form where
did this language born?
How the Aztlan flag looks like? The shield? What's the mean of the
colors on the aztlan flag?
How did the 50 millions Catholics was converted to a new religion?
Where is the PRI? What happend to it?
What's the reason behind the peso norma y peso libre?
What's the FDN?
Why is Pavon (The creator of the Aztlan party Gueterrez?
Why Aztlan didn't take Los Angeles in the Dever Trate? And in the born
of CFS?
How the Veracruz Settlement work?
How the Aztechnology piramide was built in the "Centro historico"?
What happens to the Basilica de Guadalupe?
Why there were no revels in Guatemala , El Salvador or another
acquisition countries?
Other Mexicans cities change names like Tenochtitlan?
What happens in the conflict whit Texas?
How are the diplomatic relationships with the rest of the world?
How are conformed the biggest gangs in Aztlan? Colors territory,
organization
Why if ORO is a Colombian cartel business is in Mexico instead of
Colombia? What's the relationship with Mexicans drug cartels?
Did the Estado de Mexico Change name?
How do you translate Aztechnology?
>>

What about the Possible rise of the Toltec's, the people the Aztec's took
over and assimilated? After all it was rumored that the return of
Quenzecotl<spelling?> would be the fall of the Smoking Mirror.

From:	Ereskanti@*.com Ereskanti@*.com
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:08:36 EDT

Message no. 3 In a message dated 6/6/1999 5:08:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
JThor27860@***.com writes:

> << HOLES TO FILL

Lots of Dirt ;-)

> The first holes that I want to fulfill would be:
> What's the name Aztlaners shadowruners give to MR Johnson?

I am going to ask this one straight up. Are you asking what's the language
they are using, hence the word choice? If so, the Aztlan Sourcebook has
mentioned already that "Aztec" is the official language. However, even I
doubt that spanish or the various mestijo variations would have vanished.
Aztec is part (at least, so far as some cultural professors would have us
believe, hence the reason previous edition of SR have it this way) of the Uto
(Ute')-Navajo clan diversification thing.

> What's the name aztlaners give to shadowrunners?

Eww...I really see where you are going with this I think. Going on what I
said earlier, you'd want to divulge yourself of a Navajo-based language.
(smirk)...nothing written (LOL!! the Irony is what I find humorous).

> What's the Aztlan dialect? Is a official language in Aztlan? Form where
> did this language born?

See above. If Aztec/Uto-Aztecan is the official language (In the games here,
UA might be the *official* language, but Spanish and Mixtec are the spoken
ones on the street), it's going to have a "nyueh's" in the pronunciation.
BUT, and your own "nickname" proves this one...it's apparently got a stronger
Toltec/Olmec origin.

> How the Aztlan flag looks like? The shield? What's the mean of the
> colors on the aztlan flag?

Actually, the flag is the same color, except the snake/eagle image (I might
be daydreaming this information btw) has been redone to a singular image, the
Coatl.

> How did the 50 millions Catholics was converted to a new religion?

They were told to officially denounce the Catholic Faith. They *may* have
done this publicly, but I doubt the older citizenry would ever do this.
Hence, the strong Jesuit and Franciscan influences/cooperations with the
"Mexican Liberation Front".

> Where is the PRI? What happend to it?

The What????

> What's the reason behind the peso norma y peso libre?

One of them is the currency utilized by the general public, and the currency
used in the corporate transactions. But, again, I'm probably making this up.
I haven't slept right today...

> What's the FDN?
> Why is Pavon (The creator of the Aztlan party Gueterrez?

I don't recall/remember either of these.

> Why Aztlan didn't take Los Angeles in the Dever Trate? And in the born
> of CFS?

Because of Japan most likely, and not wanting to irksome the really unstable
political powers at the time.

> How the Veracruz Settlement work?

Because the corporate influences demanded it to happen, and because likely
the Aztlan government.(the powers behind it) wanted to set back a bit and
figure out better ways of getting what they wanted.

> How the Aztechnology piramide was built in the "Centro historico"?

By leveling much of the old region. They chose it because of it's
Historical, and Paranatural, significance to "the Past".

> What happens to the Basilica de Guadalupe?

It was destroyed.

> Why there were no revels in Guatemala , El Salvador or another
> acquisition countries?

I'm sure there were, and I'm sure there was a LOT of fighting. Hell, I'm
sure there is still a lot of fighting. However, Azatlan has a LOT of magical
power, and they'd use it to keep those forces on the run, when placed in
cooperation with their police/military forces. Additionally, the powers
behind the formation of Aztlan were drug cartel oriented as well, as those
people do have a very fair amount of influence in the said countries. IIRC,
and admittedly this view is biased due to my having lived inside the american
propoganda machine, those drug runners are seen as significant forces, often
bringing steady jobs, steady money, and steady security to an otherwise
unsteady environment.

> Other Mexicans cities change names like Tenochtitlan?

There has been no mentioning of that, and I'm not sure there would be *that*
many. We konw that Veracruz wasn't changed, which is funny IMO, because
there is nothing "Aztec" about that name. Maybe that's why the "Veracruz
Settlement" was signed there. To the hard core "aztecs", the treaty is
just
a bunch of fluff and paper, and part of a bigger masquerade.

> What happens in the conflict whit Texas?

Something, that again IMO, was put there because the FASA writers at the time
were trying to come up with something to have fun with.

> How are the diplomatic relationships with the rest of the world?

Strained at best, but that seems to be the status quo anyway.

> How are conformed the biggest gangs in Aztlan? Colors territory,
> organization

The same as any other major "gang" IMO.

> Why if ORO is a Colombian cartel business is in Mexico instead of
> Colombia? What's the relationship with Mexicans drug cartels?

Ya know, I have often wondered that one myself Ahu...but, and again I may be
misrecollecting here...Aztlan's border's extend into the northern most
regions of South America (Columbia and Venezuela), so I guess we all have to
consider that Aztlan is just plain and simply *NOT* Mexico.

> Did the Estado de Mexico Change name?

Officially, it probably did just because of the linguistics. Unofficial, I
doubt it.

> How do you translate Aztechnology?

Reverse the words after you seperate them into their components.
Technoligica de Azteca. IMO of course.

> What about the Possible rise of the Toltec's, the people the Aztec's took
> over and assimilated? After all it was rumored that the return of
> Quenzecotl<spelling?> would be the fall of the Smoking Mirror.

As per the Aztlan Sourcebook, the Toltec factions are a historical thing that
is part of just that, History. Many of the more hard core types would
probably try and lay claim to their "Toltec" origins, and use it as an excuse
to start trouble for their own benefit. That is something that is currently
done world round...I doubt that Aztlan would be immune to this fact of social
chaos.

Anything else???

-K

From:	Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:21:51 +0000

Message no. 4 > What's the name Aztlaners shadowruners give to MR Johnson?

Ehh like what they call him ? I dunno ... Mr Sanchez or something
perhaps ? or whatever last name is common in spanish ... anybody ?

I guess alot of the othere questions can be answered by a close
examination of the Aztlan Sourcebook.

.stefan

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From:	Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:10:25 -0400

Message no. 5 In our last episode, cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx writes:
>
> << HOLES TO FILL
>
> The first holes that I want to fulfill would be:
> What's the name Aztlaners shadowruners give to MR Johnson?

They've never said. Pity Nigel Findley is no longer with us. ;-( I'm sure
he'd be mind-numbingly creative given a task like this!! *sigh*

If Español or Mextec are still the unofficial (read: street) languages, then
it'd be "Señor" instead of "Mr." as in:

Señor Sanchez (o_O?! Hrmm...maybe, but only if Sanchez holds the same over-used
meaning, as does Johnson in the UCAS.)

"Johnson" to me suggests: "that which is unknown or un-important" as
in:

Señor Que, Señor Quien (both roughly meaning: "Mr. Who")
Señor Anónimo (Mr. Anonymous)
Señor sin Nombre (Mr. Nameless)
Señor Misterio (Mr. Mystery)

That sort of thing.

> What's the name aztlaners give to shadowrunners?

What is a "'runner?" Certainly not a "corredor." "Run"
in this context means
something more like "running a mission" or "running an errand"
perhaps.

Mercenario ?
Terrorista ?

Grrr. That's about the limit of my remaining Español.

So... I'd suggest looking for _cool-sounding_ words meaning:

"One who does not exist"
"One who does espionage"
"One who does (covert) missions"

Hope this sparks some ideas,

--Fenris
______________________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>) Fenrir shamans are mean and ruthless
individuals who have a disturbing tendency
to treat others like their next meal.
(>) Magic in the Shadows, pg 158

From logan

From:	Strago strago@***.com
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Mon, 07 Jun 1999 01:25:42 -0400

Message no. 6 Ereskanti@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/6/1999 5:08:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> JThor27860@***.com writes:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > Where is the PRI? What happend to it?
>
> The What????
>

I'll answer this one, 'cuz I know it. PRI is the dominant party group in
Mexican politics today. Mexican politics, though it is a democracy in name, has
one party, PRI, which consistently wins elections. This is because PRI is the
party of business, which is BIG in Mexico (I think . . . Intro to Comparative
Politics was last year. I've learned a lot since then) and it supports PRI and
it's candidates. I THINK the FDN (mentioned later) is a small party which is
growing in popularity, but I may be wrong (Japan functions on a similar
structure, and I got the two confused on my final ;( ). As for where it went,
PRI is the major party of MEXICAN politics. When Aztlan formed, and Aztechnology
took over the role of running the country (for all intents and purposes), then
I'd assume it either swept PRI out in a Stalinist purge (something similar. I
don't think the Mexicans are capable of such cruelty, but, again, I might be
mistaken ;^) ) or it absorbed PRI because the PRI followers converted to the new
"religion" of Aztlaner thought.

Then again, my head might be so far stuck up my rear end I'm chewing on my
stomach . . . .
<SNIP>
--
--Strago

The gene pool in the 21st century needs a deep cleaning. I am the chlorine.

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From strago@**

From:	Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject:	PR Aztlan holes 1.0 L(English)
Date:	Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:31:57 -0500

Message no. 7 Stefan escribió:
>
> > What's the name Aztlaners shadowruners give to MR Johnson?
>
> Ehh like what they call him ? I dunno ... Mr Sanchez or something
> perhaps ? or whatever last name is common in spanish ... anybody ?

That's the idea of the cuestion.

>
> I guess alot of the othere questions can be answered by a close
> examination of the Aztlan Sourcebook.

For the contrary there are the holes that the Sourcebook let behind. And
i hope we can close.

>
> .stefan
>
Thanks stefan

Ahuizotl

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