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From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:43:07 -0400

Message no. 1 Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ? I'm
thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...

Anyway.

It seems that Steve K. pulled his usual "trick" of giving some of his
Shadowland posters the names of certain list members.

Here's a list of the names *I* spotted:

Caric (I think I've seen that name a few times before)
Bull (yet again...)
Tinner (responding to Bull's comment no less)
Mongoose

and our very own Lady Jestyr!! Seems she's relocated from Oz to the Big Easy!

Anyway, I for one think it's pretty cool to see Steve acknowledge RN and
certain people in his own little way. Maybe I should come up with a new
nic so he can work me into Magic in the Shadows somehow...

Just a little fun FYI for the RN-lite! list...

Erik J.

Who read more of Smuggler's Havens during his lunch hour...

From:	Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:35:36 -0700

Message no. 2 Erik Jameson wrote:
>
> Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ? I'm
> thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...
>
> Anyway.
>
> It seems that Steve K. pulled his usual "trick" of giving some of his
> Shadowland posters the names of certain list members.
>
> Here's a list of the names *I* spotted:
>
> Caric (I think I've seen that name a few times before)
> Bull (yet again...)
> Tinner (responding to Bull's comment no less)
> Mongoose
>
> and our very own Lady Jestyr!! Seems she's relocated from Oz to the Big Easy!

Don't forget DVixen (on the same page as Bull and Tinner no less).
Pretty sure I saw Talon, Steve's main char, in there somewhere too. To
my knowledge Gurth doesn't appear (maybe only by his real name) ..
neither does Granite, who was one of the original three "quote" guys in
T:U.

Fastjack and -H- both show up .. interesting.

- Matt

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From:	Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:37:59 -0400

Message no. 3 On 3 Jun 98, at 16:43, Erik Jameson wrote:

> Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ? I'm
> thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...

I think it was Stratego.

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From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:12:08 -0400

Message no. 4 At 05:37 PM 6/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On 3 Jun 98, at 16:43, Erik Jameson wrote:
>
>> Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ? I'm
>> thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...
>
>I think it was Stratego.

Hrmmm...no, that doesn't seem right.

BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a child
would play with in 205X?

Erik J.

Who can remember that "Bright Light" art game thing in which you plugged
plastic bits into a board to light them up and made a design that way...I
don't think they sell those anymore...

From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:12:47 -0400

Message no. 5 At 02:35 PM 6/3/98 -0700, you wrote:

>> It seems that Steve K. pulled his usual "trick" of giving some of his
>> Shadowland posters the names of certain list members.
>>
>> Here's a list of the names *I* spotted:
>>
>> Caric (I think I've seen that name a few times before)
>> Bull (yet again...)
>> Tinner (responding to Bull's comment no less)
>> Mongoose
>>
>> and our very own Lady Jestyr!! Seems she's relocated from Oz to the Big
Easy!
>
>Don't forget DVixen (on the same page as Bull and Tinner no less).
>Pretty sure I saw Talon, Steve's main char, in there somewhere too. To
>my knowledge Gurth doesn't appear (maybe only by his real name) ..
>neither does Granite, who was one of the original three "quote" guys in
>T:U.

Ooops. Yeah, DVixen is there, as is Loki (the rat-bastard who has a SRTCG
card named for him...which I think I have actually. ;-)).

I don't recall Talon, but it would be a suprise if he didn't show up in
something written by Steve. And I didn't see any indication of Gurth by
any name.

>Fastjack and -H- both show up .. interesting.

As does the mysterious Orange Queen.

Erik J.

Resepected Elders Relaxation Resort, President of Operations
and Director of Activities

"Hey, how about a game of first edition using only the Blue Book?"

From:	roun <roun@***.NET>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:03:02 PDT

Message no. 6 erik jameson wrote:
| Who can remember that "Bright Light" art game thing in which you plugged
| plastic bits into a board to light them up and made a design that way...I
| don't think they sell those anymore...

light bright, light bright, da da d-da da da d-da....

ohmygod, i can't believe i even remember how the commercial jingle goes....
can we say "music from demolition man, the movie???"....
...you know, how all their popular music is commercial jingles from our
time???

i must be tired or sumtin'

roun aka david
roun@***.net

ps: don't use capital letters, thats how they find you....

From:	Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:11 -0700

Message no. 7 > From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>

> Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ? I'm
> thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...
>
> Anyway.
>
> It seems that Steve K. pulled his usual "trick" of giving some of his
> Shadowland posters the names of certain list members.
>
> Here's a list of the names *I* spotted:
>
> Caric (I think I've seen that name a few times before)

...and here I sit without even having bought it yet...shame on me...shame
:(

> Bull (yet again...)
> Tinner (responding to Bull's comment no less)
> Mongoose
>
> and our very own Lady Jestyr!! Seems she's relocated from Oz to the Big
Easy!
>
> Anyway, I for one think it's pretty cool to see Steve acknowledge RN and
> certain people in his own little way. Maybe I should come up with a new
> nic so he can work me into Magic in the Shadows somehow...

I agree it's weird to think so, but it makes one feel worthy some how. :)

Anyway congrats all! now off to buy the book and ponder a new nic for Eric
hmmm...

Caric-the-blushing-as-we-speak-shaman

p.s. Does thuis mean I can get into the resort? ;)

From:	"Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:36:17 -0400

Message no. 8 >Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ? I'm
>thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...

Connect Four. Positive.
I got that for my 9th B-Day, and played with my sister yelling that every
time she won.
(Which was rather often, since she was 17 at the time!)

>Anyway.
>
>It seems that Steve K. pulled his usual "trick" of giving some of his
>Shadowland posters the names of certain list members.
>
>Here's a list of the names *I* spotted:
>
>Caric (I think I've seen that name a few times before)
>Bull (yet again...)
>Tinner (responding to Bull's comment no less)

COOL MONKEY HEAD!
Ya know, I didn't even catch this the first time I thumbed through the book!
(Gimme a break, I've work the last 14 days straight, 11.5 hours a day. Ick!)

Thank you very much for the include Steve!
Now Bull can't lord it over me ... which means I don't have to kill his
characters as often now! ;-)

Steven A. Tinner - ICQ#12789001
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Smash the Pumpkins! Billy Corrigan must Die!"

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:00:39 +0100

Message no. 9 Matb said on 14:35/3 Jun 98,...

> > Caric (I think I've seen that name a few times before)
> > Bull (yet again...)
> > Tinner (responding to Bull's comment no less)
> > Mongoose
> >
> > and our very own Lady Jestyr!! Seems she's relocated from
> > Oz to the Big Easy!
>
> Don't forget DVixen (on the same page as Bull and Tinner no
> less). Pretty sure I saw Talon, Steve's main char, in there
> somewhere too. To my knowledge Gurth doesn't appear
> (maybe only by his real name) ..

Yeah, right. I think you'd know it if that were the case.

I will resist from making other comments about how I feel about
these things...

> neither does Granite, who was one of the original three "quote" guys in
> T:U.

That's because, IIRC, he was one of the winners of FASA Mike's
"competition" to get your name in a book.

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:00:40 +0100

Message no. 10 Erik Jameson said on 18:12/3 Jun 98,...

> And I didn't see any indication of Gurth by any name.

Remember what I talked to you about last week or so? This is one
of those things...

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:00:40 +0100

Message no. 11 Caric said on 20:07/3 Jun 98,...

> p.s. Does thuis mean I can get into the resort? ;)

No, thuis means home :)

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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:21:05 +0100

Message no. 12 And verily, did Matb hastily scribble thusly...
|Don't forget DVixen (on the same page as Bull and Tinner no less).
|Pretty sure I saw Talon, Steve's main char, in there somewhere too. To
|my knowledge Gurth doesn't appear (maybe only by his real name) ..
|neither does Granite, who was one of the original three "quote" guys in
|T:U.

*THREE* quote guys?
I'm sure there were four....
Granite, Bull, Caric???? and... errrr... Who *WAS* the other one anyway?

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From:	Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:35:29 -0600

Message no. 13 At 11:21 04/06/98 +0100, you wrote:

>|neither does Granite, who was one of the original three "quote" guys in
>|T:U.
>
>*THREE* quote guys?
>I'm sure there were four....
>Granite, Bull, Caric???? and... errrr... Who *WAS* the other one anyway?

Some guy with a yank accent named Spike.

And me, as Fro -- but no Caric, instead, CCCampbell, who is no longer with
us for a reason I have no clue why :)

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Passed over in the new book? Time to start annoying Mike more!
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From:	Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:43:34 -0500

Message no. 14 >
> At 05:37 PM 6/3/98 -0400, you wrote:

>
> Hrmmm...no, that doesn't seem right.
>
> BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a child
> would play with in 205X?
>
>
Hmm...How about Joe the Shadowrunner dolls, his archfoe Serpentor the
corporate mage. :)
Hmm...I do remember in the first Harliquin, Bonecrackers younger brother
had a toy doc wagon van. Dolls and toy vechicles never seem to go out
of style. Stuffed Animals are always in, as are toy guns and swords.

> Who can remember that "Bright Light" art game thing in which you plugged
> plastic bits into a board to light them up and made a design that way...I
> don't think they sell those anymore...
>
I remember it. :)

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From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:13:17 -0400

Message no. 15 At 12:00 PM 6/4/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Erik Jameson said on 18:12/3 Jun 98,...
>
>> And I didn't see any indication of Gurth by any name.
>
>Remember what I talked to you about last week or so? This is one
>of those things...

Hey, did I actually say anything? I don't think I gave anything away. No
further clues were given to work on.

Sheesh.

;-)

Erik J.

"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"

From:	Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:48:08 -0500

Message no. 16 On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:12:08 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 05:37 PM 6/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>On 3 Jun 98, at 16:43, Erik Jameson wrote:
>>> Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ?
I'm
>>> thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...
>>
>>I think it was Stratego.

>Hrmmm...no, that doesn't seem right.

I'm pretty sure it was Connect Four ... but I don't know ...

>BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a child
>would play with in 205X?
>
>Erik J.
<SNIP>

Why, FASA's Shadowrun ver 19.0 (now set in 2090) of course, what else?

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(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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From:	Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:29:22 -0500

Message no. 17 On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:43:34 -0500 Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
writes:
>> At 05:37 PM 6/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> Hrmmm...no, that doesn't seem right.
>>
>> BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a
child
>> would play with in 205X?

>Hmm...How about Joe the Shadowrunner dolls, his archfoe Serpentor the
>corporate mage. :)
>Hmm...I do remember in the first Harliquin, Bonecrackers younger brother
>had a toy doc wagon van. Dolls and toy vechicles never seem to go out
>of style. Stuffed Animals are always in, as are toy guns and swords.
<SNIP>
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Wasn't there a mention of a gamenet or something or was that in somone's
fiction/gamelogs?

Virtual Realities had MatrixPal ... hmmm I wonder if there are toy drones
for kinds? (with cheap pissant Remote Control Decks ... but since the
tike probably doesn't have a VCR yet, he/she can only use the Captain's
Chair mode) ... Hey, how young in do you think people get their
datajacks?

There's also the Lowfyr poseable action figure ;)
`Raku Arcology and Azzie Teocalie Playsets ... (the arcology opens up,
the Teocalie is just a large plastic pyramid ...)
There are probably "Magical Activity Kits" that 1) increase Magical
awareness (ie knowledge) and 2) if the tike's gonna become Magically
active, it'll stimulate those area of his/her mind and possibly even try
to identify how his/her magical nature will manifest.

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From:	Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:01:49 -0500

Message no. 18 <SNIP>
>
> Wasn't there a mention of a gamenet or something or was that in somone's
> fiction/gamelogs?
>
> Virtual Realities had MatrixPal ... hmmm I wonder if there are toy drones
> for kinds? (with cheap pissant Remote Control Decks ... but since the
> tike probably doesn't have a VCR yet, he/she can only use the Captain's
> Chair mode) ... Hey, how young in do you think people get their
> datajacks?
>
Depends, it mentioned the Otaku going under the knife by I think 5-8ish
I believe. The average person, probably in their mid to late teens.

> There's also the Lowfyr poseable action figure ;)
> `Raku Arcology and Azzie Teocalie Playsets ... (the arcology opens up,
> the Teocalie is just a large plastic pyramid ...)
> There are probably "Magical Activity Kits" that 1) increase Magical
> awareness (ie knowledge) and 2) if the tike's gonna become Magically
> active, it'll stimulate those area of his/her mind and possibly even try
> to identify how his/her magical nature will manifest.
>
Tarot Cards, Wijjie (sp?) boards, magician's pointy caps, all
those sort of things. Heh...You also forgetting the Big D stuffed
doll (in stores for Christmas), and I'm sure considering that Ares
(until recently) was the only "American" corp, probably KE action
figures and accessories. :)

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From:	The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:41:12 -0500

Message no. 19 On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Erik Jameson wrote:

> BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a child
> would play with in 205X?

Dont forget Tickle-Me-Dunky!

> Who can remember that "Bright Light" art game thing in which you plugged
> plastic bits into a board to light them up and made a design that way...I
> don't think they sell those anymore...

*sigh* speaking as someone who has sold kids toys for over two years now i
have to say not only do they still make Light Bright but you can find
cheep imitations of it for sale to. I knew their was a reason i was
getting the job in the computer center at my college....

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com

From:	Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:55:19 -0500

Message no. 20 On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:01:49 -0500 Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
writes:
><SNIP>
<SNIP Some SR toy ideas>
>> There's also the Lowfyr poseable action figure ;)
>> `Raku Arcology and Azzie Teocalie Playsets ... (the arcology opens up,
>> the Teocalie is just a large plastic pyramid ...)
>> There are probably "Magical Activity Kits" that 1) increase Magical
>> awareness (ie knowledge) and 2) if the tike's gonna become Magically
>> active, it'll stimulate those area of his/her mind and possibly even
try
>> to identify how his/her magical nature will manifest.

>Tarot Cards, Wijjie (sp?) boards, magician's pointy caps, all
>those sort of things. Heh...You also forgetting the Big D stuffed
>doll (in stores for Christmas), and I'm sure considering that Ares
>(until recently) was the only "American" corp, probably KE action
>figures and accessories. :)
>
>
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The board thingy you mention has some funky spelled name ... I think it's
Ouija ...
Hmmm.... don't forget the Death of Dunkelzahn Comic book (with 36 variant
covers including 4 different version of hologram prints of the "Mana
Storm")
What about a Smartlinked Spitwad shooter?
Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
Mr. Hanky become "real"?

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From:	MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:09:40 -0400

Message no. 21 Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;

>Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
>Mr. Hanky become "real"?

But they are real. They fall into an odd category since disbelief
comes with age. Free spirits, i don't know? Totems (Idols), chancy but
something that something that dedicated to giving might exist.

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From:	Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:21:49 EDT

Message no. 22 In a message dated 98-06-04 13:33:34 EDT, you write:

> >BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a child
> >would play with in 205X?
>
> Why, FASA's Shadowrun ver 19.0 (now set in 2090) of course, what else?

Could you imagine playing with an illusionist for a GM? If he wants you to
see that troll, you see that goddamn troll... besides, it would be set in
212X, just to keep the distance in year correct.

From:	Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:26:23 EDT

Message no. 23 In a message dated 98-06-04 15:58:25 EDT, you write:

> Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
> Mr. Hanky become "real"?

Who in the hell is Mr. Hanky?

From:	Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:44:36 -0500

Message no. 24 >
> In a message dated 98-06-04 15:58:25 EDT, you write:
>
> > Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
> > Mr. Hanky become "real"?
>
> Who in the hell is Mr. Hanky?
>
Unless I'm mistaken, it refers to South Park's Christmas "special"
Mr. Hanky the Christmas Pooh? I could be wrong however.
If you haven't seen it, don't. :)

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From:	K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:49:13 EDT

Message no. 25 In a message dated 6/3/98 5:18:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, erikj@****.COM
writes:

> BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a child
> would play with in 205X?

Just trendier variations on old themes from the past. More emphasis on
visualization I'd imagine, given the massive impact of the Matrix.

> Erik J.
>
> Who can remember that "Bright Light" art game thing in which you plugged
> plastic bits into a board to light them up and made a design that way...I
> don't think they sell those anymore...

Oh yeah they do, and oh yes I do. Had one, actually two, with over 100 of
those really off-center color-guide-dot picture-to-make.

=K

From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:51:20 -0400

Message no. 26 At 04:09 PM 6/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;
>
>>Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
>>Mr. Hanky become "real"?
>
> But they are real. They fall into an odd category since disbelief
>comes with age. Free spirits, i don't know? Totems (Idols), chancy but
>something that something that dedicated to giving might exist.

Well, I doubt Mr. Hanky would ever come about, as much as some
Cow-heads/South Park fans would like it to happen.

And I believe the Easter Bunny is a relatively recent invention, but I'm
not really sure. And being relatively recent, there might not be enough
collected karma/energy/whatnot in the masses for him to exist in SR 205X yet.

But Santa Clause goes back long enough that it would be possible, in
theory, for a free spirit to either be formed spontaneously or to have
"become" Santa when it went free.

Now, the modern American version of Santa with the red velvet and white
ermine trimmed clothes with the belly like a bowl full of jelly is a
product of this century. Other cultures have their own version of Santa, a
few of which make him skinny.

But Santa has been around in Western Culture long enough I think, in all
seriousness, that in SR 205X, there could be some wacky free spirit running
around that believes it's Santa Claus. Enough other long-held cultural
beliefs have come true with the Awakening, why not?

And I'd bet that Santa would be a serious kick-ass spirit too.

Erik J.

Don't f*ck with Santa!!

From:	MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:14:33 -0400

Message no. 27 Once upon a time, MC23 wrote;

>Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;
>
>>Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
>>Mr. Hanky become "real"?
>
> But they are real. They fall into an odd category since disbelief
>comes with age. Free spirits, i don't know? Totems (Idols), chancy but
>something that something that dedicated to giving might exist.
>

Mega Oops! That "But they are real" comment was supposed to be a
joke! I forgot my smiley<tm> and to start a new line.
Then I was going to make a comment on practicality of their
"reality". That's what I get for posting on little sleep. Sorry about
being out of character there.

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more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
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From:	Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:17:28 -0500

Message no. 28 On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:51:20 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 04:09 PM 6/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;
>> >Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny
and
>> >Mr. Hanky become "real"?

>> But they are real. They fall into an odd category since disbelief
>>comes with age. Free spirits, i don't know? Totems (Idols), chancy but
>>something that something that dedicated to giving might exist.

>Well, I doubt Mr. Hanky would ever come about, as much as some
>Cow-heads/South Park fans would like it to happen.

My Fault ... it was a joke :)

>And I believe the Easter Bunny is a relatively recent invention, but I'm
>not really sure. And being relatively recent, there might not be enough
>collected karma/energy/whatnot in the masses for him to exist in SR 205X
yet.

The Easter Bunny was based, IIRC, on a Celtic(?) goddess who would hatch
hares from eggs to entertain children ... also I believe there were birds
that make nests similar to those made by hares (Hares make nests unlike
rabbits who burrow... well, rabbit holes :) and so the local folk thought
that the hares had laid the eggs (I believe the eggs were also colorful
and this occured around springtime) ... when Cristians swiped the Easter
holiday they kept the eggs and everything but considered the hare too
pagan and changed it into a bunny ... and that is how the Easter Bunny
came to be :)

>But Santa Clause goes back long enough that it would be possible, in
>theory, for a free spirit to either be formed spontaneously or to have
>"become" Santa when it went free.
>
>Now, the modern American version of Santa with the red velvet and white
>ermine trimmed clothes with the belly like a bowl full of jelly is a
>product of this century. Other cultures have their own version of
Santa, a
>few of which make him skinny.
>
>But Santa has been around in Western Culture long enough I think, in all
>seriousness, that in SR 205X, there could be some wacky free spirit
running
>around that believes it's Santa Claus. Enough other long-held cultural
>beliefs have come true with the Awakening, why not?
>
>And I'd bet that Santa would be a serious kick-ass spirit too.
>
>Erik J.
>
>Don't f*ck with Santa!!

Hmmm... perhaps Santa (and the Easter Bunny/Hare) would be a free spirit
with a variation of the wealth power? ... SEd6 * 1000 * Force nuyen worth
of toys (or candy/chocolate/whatever for the Easter Bunny/Hare) any other
Folk lore/legends/whatever you want to make into "real" entities?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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From:	Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:01:24 EDT

Message no. 29 In a message dated 6/4/98 8:27:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Nexx3@***.COM writes:

> > Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
> > Mr. Hanky become "real"?
>
> Who in the hell is Mr. Hanky?

Mr. Hanky is the Christmas Poop form Southpark ... and that was one very funny
show (though it could not beat the Visitors episode though) ...

Mike

From:	Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:37:40 -0700

Message no. 30 > From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>

> > p.s. Does thuis mean I can get into the resort? ;)
>
> No, thuis means home :)

CURSES!!!! Well I suppose I did ask for that little barb. :)

Caric

From:	"Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:50:09 -0400

Message no. 31 >Now, the modern American version of Santa with the red velvet and white
>ermine trimmed clothes with the belly like a bowl full of jelly is a
>product of this century. Other cultures have their own version of Santa, a
>few of which make him skinny.

That version of Santa (From the poem The Night Before Christmas) was also
clearly named as an ELF!
In my game there is a portly elf that favors red suits and hangs out in
seedy night clubs.
He has a "posse" of Atzlaner elves in green that carry hammers and saws that
act as his muscle/enforcers.
Just to keep things truly evil, and also keep the kiddie connection, I made
him a pedophile who also deals in slavery.
Sick, I know, but you should have seen the looks on my players faces! ;-)

Steven A. Tinner - ICQ#12789001
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"The red ones are the most sensual. But that might burn our thing!" -
Lonesome Cowboy Dave

From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:28:58 +0100

Message no. 32 And verily, did Nexx Many-Scars hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 98-06-04 15:58:25 EDT, you write:
|
|> Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
|> Mr. Hanky become "real"?
|
|Who in the hell is Mr. Hanky?
|

<Imitate young kids squeeky voice>
"Mr Hanky, the christmas poo! He jumps out of the toilet every christmas eve
and gives presents to everyone who's eaten a high fibre diet."
"Mr Hanky, the christmas poo, you love me and I love you!"
</Imitate young kids squeeky voice>

South park...
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:30:37 +0100

Message no. 33 And verily, did Lehlan Decker hastily scribble thusly...
|
|>
|> In a message dated 98-06-04 15:58:25 EDT, you write:
|>
|> > Hey ... Btw ... with the Awakening, did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and
|> > Mr. Hanky become "real"?
|>
|> Who in the hell is Mr. Hanky?
|>
|Unless I'm mistaken, it refers to South Park's Christmas "special"
|Mr. Hanky the Christmas Pooh? I could be wrong however.
|If you haven't seen it, don't. :)

Why? I like what happens to Kevin in that episode...
:)
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:32:49 +0100

Message no. 34 And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|Now, the modern American version of Santa with the red velvet and white
|ermine trimmed clothes with the belly like a bowl full of jelly is a
|product of this century. Other cultures have their own version of Santa, a
|few of which make him skinny.

Worse than that. It's a product of Coca Cola.

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From:	Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:27:20 -0500

Message no. 35 >
> At 04:09 PM 6/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
<SNIP>
>
> But Santa Clause goes back long enough that it would be possible, in
> theory, for a free spirit to either be formed spontaneously or to have
> "become" Santa when it went free.
>
> Now, the modern American version of Santa with the red velvet and white
> ermine trimmed clothes with the belly like a bowl full of jelly is a
> product of this century. Other cultures have their own version of Santa, a
> few of which make him skinny.
>
> But Santa has been around in Western Culture long enough I think, in all
> seriousness, that in SR 205X, there could be some wacky free spirit running
> around that believes it's Santa Claus. Enough other long-held cultural
> beliefs have come true with the Awakening, why not?
>
> And I'd bet that Santa would be a serious kick-ass spirit too.
>
In my game he was. Around force 10, but I'd have to check my notes
which are at the house. He's a result of one particulary boring
evening around christmas and my attempt to liven things up. :)
I can't remember if we ever finished that particular run, but I do
remember laughing alot. :)

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From:	rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 04:17:35 -0500

Message no. 36 >
>BTW, Shadowrun toys. What do you see as the sort of things that a
child
>would play with in 205X?
>

I can't see the bassics changing much. Building toys, dolls, stuffed
animals all present, though with different shapes and styles, to be
sure. Computer games, of course; video games still around? Doubt it.
Board games maybe, the classic games will still be there. An awakened
version of Candyland, anyone? (grin)

>
>Who can remember that "Bright Light" art game thing in which you
plugged
>plastic bits into a board to light them up and made a design that
way...I
>don't think they sell those anymore...
>

It was Light Bright, and they are still on the market.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...

From:	rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 04:12:24 -0500

Message no. 37 >
>> Which game had the TV commercial that said "Pretty sneaky, sis!" ?
I'm
>> thinking ConnectFour or something equally archaic...
>
>I think it was Stratego.

Toss Across, where you throw bean bags at a tic-tac-toe board that sat
on a floor.

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...

From:	"Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject:	Re: Pretty Sneaky Steve...
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:51:42 GMT

Message no. 38 On 5 Jun 98 04:50:09 GMT, bluewizard@*****.COM (Steven A. Tinner) disseminated
foul capitalist propaganda by writing:

[...]
>Just to keep things truly evil, and also keep the kiddie connection, I made
>him a pedophile who also deals in slavery.
>Sick, I know, but you should have seen the looks on my players faces! ;-)

Mister Tinner, you are truly and irrecoverably EVIL.

I envy you.
;))

>Steven A. Tinner - ICQ#12789001
Leslie
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