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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:51:22 -0500
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:57:29 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/10/98 8:20:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Nexx3@***.COM
>writes:

>> > really, it does in my book, just not in the seperate category
listings.
>> > Wonder what's the truth here?

>> The Truth is out there... where does it say in your book, K?

>Okay, I found the Touch vs. Voluntary within the description for Touch
>Required (Grimoire pg 123)
>
>Very Restricted target cannot be used in conjunction with Manipulation
Magic
>(same page)

Well ... It doesn't quite say that but common sense will tell you it's
true ... It's a more restricted version Restricted Target so the
restrictions for Restricted Ttarget restrict the Very Restricted Target
modifier but FASA didn't duplicate said restrictions on the chart on Page
122 ...

>Specific Target is mentioned as a "Detection spell modifier" (page 122).
>
>Restricted Target will also NOT work with Manipulation magic, nor is it
>compatible with Very Restricted Target.

Hmmm... Isn't this how Spirit Barrier, Bob/bOb/boB Barrier, and such were
designed?

>ooo, off subject, but here's a good one...Limited Range says Detection
spells
>cannot be designed with LOS Range (actually, that's under LOS, not
limited,
>sorry).

That's because detection spells 1) are limited range to start with and 2)
aren't really restricted by LOS like normal spells (you can detct someone
you can't see) and so giving a detection spell LOS range would
effectively give the spell -INFINITE- range ... that's bad :)

>Personal spell modifier states that Touch Required and Voluntary Subject
are
>both not allowed with Personal spell formulae (page 123). BTW, this is
usable
>with Detection and Manipulation magic only according to the rules (page
122).
>
>Now, if you sit back, and Christmas Tree link all these together...
>
>you get a bigger mess than you need.
>
>-K

Why? I don't see the mess. :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 2
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:11:43 EDT
In a message dated 7/10/98 9:55:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> >Very Restricted target cannot be used in conjunction with Manipulation
> Magic
> >(same page)
>
> Well ... It doesn't quite say that but common sense will tell you it's
> true ... It's a more restricted version Restricted Target so the
> restrictions for Restricted Ttarget restrict the Very Restricted Target
> modifier but FASA didn't duplicate said restrictions on the chart on Page
> 122 ...
>
actually, it does, just keep reading closely...

-K
Message no. 3
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:44:17 -0500
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:11:43 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/10/98 9:55:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>> >Very Restricted target cannot be used in conjunction with
Manipulation
>> >Magic (same page)

>> Well ... It doesn't quite say that but common sense will tell you
it's
>> true ... It's a more restricted version Restricted Target so the
>> restrictions for Restricted Ttarget restrict the Very Restricted
Target
>> modifier but FASA didn't duplicate said restrictions on the chart on
Page
>> 122 ...

>actually, it does, just keep reading closely...
>
>-K

Oooooooooops Well at least the last sentence fragment was correct. The
last sentance of Very Restricted Target does say No Manip spells but it
doesn't say that on the chart on pg 122 ... :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:07:13 -0500
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:41:22 -0300 "Ubiratan P. Alberton"
<ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR> writes:
>At 21:15 10/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 7/10/98 4:08:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Nexx3@***.COM
>>writes:
>>> Uhhhh, no... I'm looking at it now, and while it mentions Touching
and
>>> Voluntary Subject... neither Very Restricted target nor Personal
Spell say
>>> that one can't be used with the other...

>>really, it does in my book, just not in the seperate category listings.
>>Wonder what's the truth here?
>>
>>-K

> I think that Very Restricted Target and Personal Spell CAN be used
>togheter.
>
> Personal Spell affects only THE CASTER. But, say, three different
magicians
>can learn a personal spell from the same formula and cast it normally,
on
>themselves.
>
> But say Mr. Joe Mage creates a spell using Personal spell and Very
>Restrictred
>Target (himself). Other mages could even learn to cast this, but it
>wouldn't work, because the only target it works on is Joe Mage, and they
>can't attempt to cast it
>on anyone but themselves...
>
> So, besides being a trick to reduce Drain, it's also a safety
>measure...
>
> Bira

Nope. Sorry. You can make it a house rule but ... Canon is Personal
Spell modifies only Detection & Manipulation spells Restricted/ Very
Restricted Target affects everything except manipulation. So the only
place they overlap is Detection spells but as I understand it, that only
affects what is being detected ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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