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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:56:47 -0500
First I want to say that this post may be a bit munchkinous but it has
some redeeming qualities in there somewhere and was written with good
intentions :)

Okay, Nexx's critter power post gave me an idea ... what if the Immortal
Elves were just Physical Adepts / Physical Mages with the Immunity to Age
power bought to Immortality Levels? This also got me thinking about the
only book I've read with IEs/Harlequin is the Dragon Heart Trillogy and I
also have Harlequin's Back (Is the title a take off on Lobo's Back?) ...
In both cases, he never pojects per se (though there were extuenating
circumstances :) instead he used a ritual to project ... I thought I'd
make up stats for the ritual (for use by lesser IEs and magical groups,
not PCs ...).

Okay, first we have to design the spell then say it MUST be cast in
ritual ...
Astral Projection (singular)
Manipulation Spell
Major Mental Change (M)
Deep Mind Interaction (+2/S)
Sustained Spell (+3/S)
Limited Range (+3/M)
Voluntary subject Required (+3/M)
Bonus Game Effect -Astral Projection [very involved/complex] (+3/D)

Type: Mana
Range: Limited
Target: 10-Essence (For Living Beings) or Object Resistance Table (for
objects)
Duration: Sustained
Drain: ([F/2]+3)D

Astral Projection (plural)
Manipulation Spell
As Above (+3/D)
Area of Effect (+3/D+1)

Type: Mana
Range: Limited
Target: 10-Essence (For Living Beings) or Object Resistance Table (for
objects)
Duration: Sustained
Drain: ([F/2]+5)D or ([F/2]+5)D+1 (see below)

Astral Projection (Personal)
Manipulation Spell
Major Mental Change (M)
Deep Mind Interaction (+2/S)
Sustained Spell (+3/S)
Limited Range (+3/M)
Personal Spell (+3/L-2)
Bonus Game Effect -Astral Projection [very involved/complex] (+3/L)

Type: Mana
Range: Limited
Target: 10-Essence (For Living Beings) or Object Resistance Table (for
objects)
Duration: Sustained
Drain: ([F/2]+3)M (because Light was too little for this spell ... even
so, I'm leaning towards serious drain ...)

Overdrain optional Rule: In the spell design, if the drain level goes
over deadly, the spell drain has overdrain instead of increasing the
target number by 2 ... Overdrain must by reduced (2 successes per level
of overdrain) before normal drain can be resisted otherwise it goes
straight into overflow. For example the AoE Spell above would have a
drain code of ([F/2]+5)D+1 which means the caster must roll 2 successes
to reduce the spell from D+1 to D and 2 more to reduce it to S. How you
handle the overdrain is up to you, it can be either be 1 box per level
or staged normally ... (ie option 1: 1 level of overdrain fills 1 box, 2
levels fills 2 boxes; option 2: 1 level does a light wound, 2 levels does
a moderate ...)

Astral Perception Optional rule: non-physical adepts can use astral
perception but must resist 3M drain to do so ...

All this is just a bit of brainstorming and is probably unbalanced
(except the overdrain bit :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 2
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:52:42 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-09 15:03:06 EDT, you write:

> Astral Projection (Personal)
> Manipulation Spell
> Major Mental Change (M)
> Deep Mind Interaction (+2/S)
> Sustained Spell (+3/S)
> Limited Range (+3/M)
> Personal Spell (+3/L-2)
> Bonus Game Effect -Astral Projection [very involved/complex] (+3/L)

Incidentally, if you feel like developing a personal spell that is
_incredibly_ cheap to cast, try designing it yourself, and not only make it
personal, but give it a "very specific target" modifier... yourself. Even if
someone gets a hold of the formula, they can't use it for themselves (without
altering the very specific target), and it _really_ drops the drain code...

Nexx, who has munchkin ideas... but never uses them
Message no. 3
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:25:55 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 2:03:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> All this is just a bit of brainstorming and is probably unbalanced
> (except the overdrain bit :)
>
> D.Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
> "Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"
>
I think I can arrange for some -VERY- big stones to be found after reading
that last part. Interesting, very interesting...Immortality that is "aquired"
by many. Would make that painting all that more impressive.

-K
Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:50:25 -0500
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:32:40 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/9/98 2:53:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>Nexx3@***.COM
>writes:

>>Incidentally, if you feel like developing a personal spell that is
>>_incredibly_ cheap to cast, try designing it yourself, and not only
make it
>>personal, but give it a "very specific target" modifier... yourself.
Even if
>>someone gets a hold of the formula, they can't use it for themselves
(without
>>altering the very specific target), and it _really_ drops the drain
code...

>Oh no it doesn't Nexx. The "Personal Spell Modifier" (as in for the
caster
>and the caster only) is NOT compatible with the restricted or very
restricted
>modifier rules. Nor is compatible with the "Touch Only" range
modifiers.
>
>-K

Page 123 grimmy:
"Personal Spell (-3 Drain Levels: ... the Touching Required modifier does
not apply. Nor does the vouluntary Subject Required modifier apply --
the magician presumably wants to cast the spell on himself."

It doesn't say *anything* about restricted/very restricted targets ...
Note that Voluntary Subject + Touch Required + Very Restricted Target =
-3 Drain Levels so I think it was intended that Personal Spells are
nothing more than the above restrictions on a spell ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 5
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:08:26 -0500
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:25:55 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/9/98 2:03:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM
>writes:

>> All this is just a bit of brainstorming and is probably unbalanced
>> (except the overdrain bit :)

>> D.Ghost
>> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
>> "Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

>I think I can arrange for some -VERY- big stones to be found after
reading
>that last part. Interesting, very interesting...Immortality that is
"aquired"
>by many. Would make that painting all that more impressive.
>
>-K

Uhm, ... What painting? I probably have seen something about what you're
talking about if it's in a major sourcebook (except Tir Tairngire ...).
I just need more info to narrow it down ...

D.Ghost (Who should really think of something different for his "out
there" posts)
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Everybody writes something in their sig except me."

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Message no. 6
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:36:53 EDT
In a message dated 7/10/98 2:12:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> >I think I can arrange for some -VERY- big stones to be found after
> reading
> >that last part. Interesting, very interesting...Immortality that is
> "aquired"
> >by many. Would make that painting all that more impressive.
> >
> >-K
>
> Uhm, ... What painting? I probably have seen something about what you're
> talking about if it's in a major sourcebook (except Tir Tairngire ...).
> I just need more info to narrow it down ...
>
its a really cool piece of artwork that is in the Earthdawn Sourcebooks
concerning the IE known as "Aina".

-k
Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain options
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:03:25 +0100
And verily, did Alfredo B Alves hastily scribble thusly...
|>Would make that painting all that more impressive.
|>
|>-K
|
|Uhm, ... What painting? I probably have seen something about what you're
|talking about if it's in a major sourcebook (except Tir Tairngire ...).
|I just need more info to narrow it down ...

Probably the Portrait of Dorian Grey...
(A non ShR reference)

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