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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darius van wijk)
Subject: Property value and size
Date: Fri Aug 2 06:25:01 2002
Greetings

How do you as a player or GM, Determine property size and value?
I seem to remember SR3 saying if a price is not in the book take the present
$ price for it today
and use that. Unfortunatly i cannt do that cause i dont live in the USA so
i dont know the lokal prices
and if i convert my currency to $ the to Nuyen it works out rediculasly
cheap.

So I was hoping you might have some ideas on property prices and sizes.
E.G. A Corner garage, gas station, flat, house that kinda thing.

Thanks
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Markus Widmer)
Subject: AW: Property value and size
Date: Fri Aug 2 06:55:01 2002
> How do you as a player or GM, Determine property size and value?
> I seem to remember SR3 saying if a price is not in the book take
the
> present
> $ price for it today
> and use that. Unfortunatly i cannt do that cause i dont live in
the
> USA so
> i dont know the lokal prices
> and if i convert my currency to $ the to Nuyen it works out
> rediculasly
> cheap.

My take on this is to work out prices based on lifestyles. Let's say
that the ordinary citizen has a middle lifestyle, which costs 5000
Nuyen a month. His wage probably a little more than that, say 6000
Nuyen, so he can put something aside for his pension, fun or
whatever. Today, most people have to spend about a third of their
income for the rent or their mortgage. That would mean that a
middle-class flat or house with, say, three bedrooms, will cost you
about 2000 Nuyen a month.

The method is this: take lifestyle costs, plus 10 to 20 percent, to
be monthly wages. Work out today's ratio of costs vs. monthly wage
and apply this to the SR wage. Another example: a new middle-class
car today might cost you about four to five monthly wages. 4 x 5000
Nuyen is 20000 Nuyen - exactly the price of a Ford Americar.

I hope that helps!
Markus
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Property value and size
Date: Fri Aug 2 11:30:01 2002
According to Darius van wijk, on Fri, 02 Aug 2002 the word on the street was...

> How do you as a player or GM, Determine property size and value?
> I seem to remember SR3 saying if a price is not in the book take the
> present $ price for it today
> and use that. Unfortunatly i cannt do that cause i dont live in the USA
> so i dont know the lokal prices
> and if i convert my currency to $ the to Nuyen it works out rediculasly
> cheap.

Where do you live? It works for me, and has for years; these days my group
just does 1 euro = 1 nuyen, and before that it was 2 guilders = 1 nuyen (since
the typical guilder : US dollar ratio was in the order of 2:1).

> So I was hoping you might have some ideas on property prices and sizes.
> E.G. A Corner garage, gas station, flat, house that kinda thing.

What I'm wondering about is why you'd need to know this kind of thing; do your
players play real estate brokers instead of street sams or something? :)

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Property value and size
Date: Fri Aug 2 12:50:01 2002
> How do you as a player or GM, Determine property size and value?
Being a player? You ask the GM what it's worth....being a GM, however
you want, you're the GM, however I'll give you this to go off of, the
thing you're looking for is VERY difficult to set numbers on because the
town that you're in and everything else greatly effects the costs of
everything....for example I've recently moved from the college town I
lived in to a small town that's between the college town and army base,
I was paying $335/month for a one bedroom apartment with approximately
400 square feet of living space, a window ac, and an ancient in floor
furnace, I'm now paying $480/month for a three bedroom apartment with
approximately 950 square feet, Central Air and Heat.....a similar
apartment in the town I was just in would have cost in the neighborhood
of $750-900/month.

Location is everything.
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (pete filipe)
Subject: Property value and size
Date: Sun Aug 4 20:10:01 2002
Enter "Seattle real este listings" into a good search
engine and you should come up with all sorts of actual
Seattle homes and businesses for sale, plus general
info on what Seattle is like (at least, what it's like
today). We use actual sites and prices for our group,
and no we don't do real estate trading. People just
like to know where their characters live, where their
safehouses are, and where their front businesses are.
Having a real address, especially one with a pic, adds
depth to backstory.

On a side note, at least two players had to move
temporarily during the arcology shutdown because their
apartments were inside the UCAS cordon.

====Pete
player, GM, and general SR addict.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Property value and size
Date: Mon Aug 5 05:35:01 2002
>From: "Darius van wijk" <support@*******.com>
>How do you as a player or GM, Determine property size and value?
>I seem to remember SR3 saying if a price is not in the book take the
>present
>$ price for it today
>and use that. Unfortunatly i cannt do that cause i dont live in the USA so
>i dont know the lokal prices
>and if i convert my currency to $ the to Nuyen it works out rediculasly
>cheap.
>
>So I was hoping you might have some ideas on property prices and sizes.
>E.G. A Corner garage, gas station, flat, house that kinda thing.

I can't help much, I use Sterling prices and convert to US$ (Which gives a
degree of inflation and price rises due to rarity...etc as most things are
cheaper in the states than they are over here.) for example, fuel, my
players decided to buy 50 gallons of petrol/diesel to make a big bomb with,
British prices are about £0.80 per litre at present which converts to about
$1.20 per litre, multiplied by 4.5 puts a gallon of petrol at about $5.50.
which doesn't seem far off considering how supplies seem to be going.
That puts a one bedroom flat at somewhere in the region of 45,000¥ in places
like Renton and the better areas of Payallup, a small two to three bedroom
house in a similar area at something like 100,000¥.
My only suggestion would be find some multiplier that works, take local
prices and run with them, if anything works out silly boost it or drop it
until it isn't silly and work with it.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Property value and size
Date: Mon Aug 5 13:25:01 2002
According to Lone Eagle, on Mon, 05 Aug 2002 the word on the street was...

> my players decided to buy 50 gallons of petrol/diesel to make a big bomb
> with, British prices are about £0.80 per litre at present which converts
> to about $1.20 per litre, multiplied by 4.5 puts a gallon of petrol at
> about $5.50.

1 US gallon is about 3.8 liters :)

> which doesn't seem far off considering how supplies seem to
> be going. That puts a one bedroom flat at somewhere in the region of
> 45,000¥ in places like Renton and the better areas of Payallup, a small
> two to three bedroom house in a similar area at something like 100,000¥.

Sprawl Sites has prices for apartments, on page 35. A small apartment in a
low-class neighborhood will cost 20,000 nuyen to buy, or 250 per month to
rent, for example.

> My only suggestion would be find some multiplier that works, take local
> prices and run with them, if anything works out silly boost it or drop it
> until it isn't silly and work with it.

I tend to use guestimation; for simple stuff, I just use 1 euro = 1 nuyen,
like I said earlier, while for large stuff that's more dependent on how
much someone earns, I base it on lifestyle costs (as someone else also
suggested). After all, if a Middle lifestyle costs 5,000 nuyen a month, it
stands to reason that the typical house inhabited by someone with a Middle
lifestyle will cost less than 5,000 nuyen per month to rent.

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