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Message no. 1
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:49:42 EDT
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:12:34 -0400 Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
writes:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

[snip Pinnow's multi-part message in MIME format, including binary
attachment]

Sigh... how many times do we have to tell people:

"DON'T send either NON-TEXT/ASCII messages or ATTACHMETS to this list!!"

Now granted you might have accidently sent to this to the list while
trying to send it privately to Winter Wolf... but please be careful. As
it's been said before, not all of us can READ anything that isn't pure
text, and some can even get FIRED for recieving attachments on their work
email accounts.


~Tim (you'll be hearing from Spike shortly...)
Message no. 2
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:52:36 -0400
> From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 3:49 AM
>
> On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:12:34 -0400 Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
> writes:

> Sigh... how many times do we have to tell people:

> "DON'T send either NON-TEXT/ASCII messages or ATTACHMETS to this list!!"

> Now granted you might have accidently sent to this to the list while
> trying to send it privately to Winter Wolf... but please be careful. As
> it's been said before, not all of us can READ anything that isn't pure
> text, and some can even get FIRED for recieving attachments on their work
> email accounts.

That's why I sent an apology to the list. If people would use the correct
reply to buttons on their e-mail programs, my replies to them wouldn't go
to the list! If I am replying to a private e-mail, it should go to them,
not the listserv. However, everyone has to do their part here. I sent out
over a dozen e-mails with the Psionics file today. Forgive me for not
noticing that someone didn't reply correctly to my post, thus causing my
mail program to believe the listserv was the sender of the e-mail I
received.

>
> ~Tim (you'll be hearing from Spike shortly...)

I am sure I will.

Justin
Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:20:47 +0100
Justin Pinnow said on 3:52/ 4 Aug 97...

> I sent out over a dozen e-mails with the Psionics file today.

Here's a free tip: if you can make distribution lists in your mailer, do
so and put into it all the addresses of the people who ask you for a file
you offered to send out. Wait a few days so you're sure you have all the
replies you're going to get, and send it out just once to the whole
distribution list. In the end it saves time and embarrassing situations
where you send the file to the list.

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Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:00:42 +0100
|That's why I sent an apology to the list. If people would use the correct
|reply to buttons on their e-mail programs, my replies to them wouldn't go
|to the list!

Now every e-mail program has the same features Justin.
If, for example, I'd requested it and wanted to mail you directly, I would
have had to call up the headers, look for your e-mail address, copy your
e-mail address, hit reply and write my reply, exit the editor, call up the
header editor, paste your e-mail address into the To: field and hit
send.....

A bit more complicated than just "hitting the right button" don't you think.

Stop blaming others when it was all your fault.

If I am replying to a private e-mail, it should go to them,
|not the listserv. However, everyone has to do their part here. I sent out
|over a dozen e-mails with the Psionics file today. Forgive me for not
|noticing that someone didn't reply correctly to my post, thus causing my
|mail program to believe the listserv was the sender of the e-mail I
|received.

Well you should've done it in a sensible way then, shouldn't you?
1> Collect the e-mail addresses of those interested.
2> After the "Me toos" have finished trickling through, you create a group
alias with ALL the addresses of those who requested it and send to them ALL
AT ONCE! One single posting will hit all of them, instead of sending it out
individually....
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 5
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:21:38 -0400
> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 8:00 AM

> |That's why I sent an apology to the list. If people would use the
correct
> |reply to buttons on their e-mail programs, my replies to them wouldn't
go
> |to the list!

> Now every e-mail program has the same features Justin.

Not true.

> If, for example, I'd requested it and wanted to mail you directly, I
would
> have had to call up the headers, look for your e-mail address, copy your
> e-mail address, hit reply and write my reply, exit the editor, call up
the
> header editor, paste your e-mail address into the To: field and hit
> send.....

Also not true. This is what the reply to author and reply to all buttons
are for. On different mailers, sometimes these buttons do different
things. It also depends on what your mailer captures automatically as the
reply to address. Mine generally captures the address of the individual
sending me the e-mail, which in this case should have been individuals, not
the listserv. However, sometimes IE has been known to capture, say, an
individual's address instead of the listserv address when I am replying to
a posting that was sent via the listserv. It's all kinda weird. And I
must say, it certainly contributes to being able to send something to the
wrong place with literally a click of the wrong button.

> A bit more complicated than just "hitting the right button" don't you
think.

Yes and no. More complicated because mailers do different things,
depending on which one you are using. No, because that's exactly what did
it this time.

> Stop blaming others when it was all your fault.

Okay, sure. I am sorry that my mailer decided that the listserv sent me
this message and was the correct reply to address when that wasn't the
case. I don't know what came over it and I promise that if it does this
again in the future and I don't spot the error before sending off the reply
that I will starve it for a week. Better? ;)

> If I am replying to a private e-mail, it should go to them,
> |not the listserv. However, everyone has to do their part here. I sent
out
> |over a dozen e-mails with the Psionics file today. Forgive me for not
> |noticing that someone didn't reply correctly to my post, thus causing my
> |mail program to believe the listserv was the sender of the e-mail I
> |received.

> Well you should've done it in a sensible way then, shouldn't you?
> 1> Collect the e-mail addresses of those interested.
> 2> After the "Me toos" have finished trickling through, you create a
group
> alias with ALL the addresses of those who requested it and send to them
ALL
> AT ONCE! One single posting will hit all of them, instead of sending it
out
> individually....

That's a matter of taste, now isn't it? Yes, it might have eliminated the
problem of sending the file to the listserv, but I had no way to know that
the mailer would grab the listserv address instead of the individual's
e-mail account in the first place. Again, I am sorry to have caused any
problems with this, but I don't see how a bunch of replies about not
sending attachments will solve anything. I have been on this listserv for
about 2 years now and am well aware of the FAQ and the rules pertaining to
sending attachments to the list. It was a simple mistake. Just like any
other accident, it could have been avoided with a bit more attention to
detail, but I don't think that should open up the list for hunting season,
either. ;)

> |Andrew Halliwell

Justin
Message no. 6
From: Charles R Joseph <arcaneacuity@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:43:13 -0400
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:52:36 -0400 Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
writes:
>> Now granted you might have accidently sent to this to the list while
>> trying to send it privately to Winter Wolf... but please be careful.
As
>> it's been said before, not all of us can READ anything that isn't pure
>> text, and some can even get FIRED for recieving attachments on their
work
>> email accounts.
>
>That's why I sent an apology to the list. If people would use the
>correct reply to buttons on their e-mail programs, my replies to them
wouldn't
>go to the list! If I am replying to a private e-mail, it should go to
>them, not the listserv. However, everyone has to do their part here. I

>sent out over a dozen e-mails with the Psionics file today. Forgive me
for not
>noticing that someone didn't reply correctly to my post, thus causing
>my mail program to believe the listserv was the sender of the e-mail I
>received.

Hey...just a little note here, but when I hit the reply to author
button, it sends it to the mailing list. If I hit reply to all, it sends
it to the mailing list twice. I don't know why, but that's what it does
and and to make a private reply I have to copy the address by hand, which
I didn't feel necessary for a two sentence reply, especially since I also
wanted to sort of hint that I'd be interested in hearing other peoples
alternatives to the official Psi-System.
So don't go blaming me, 'kay?

Winter Wolfe Arcane
arcaneacuity@****.com

"When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate."
Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:16:11 +0100
|> Now every e-mail program has the same features Justin.
|
|Not true.

Now you should know me and my typoes by now....
That should have been NOT, not now....

|> If, for example, I'd requested it and wanted to mail you directly, I
|would
|> have had to call up the headers, look for your e-mail address, copy your
|> e-mail address, hit reply and write my reply, exit the editor, call up
|the
|> header editor, paste your e-mail address into the To: field and hit
|> send.....
|
|Also not true.

Yes it is. That's exactly how I have to handly it if I want it to go
personal and not to the list.

This is what the reply to author and reply to all buttons
|are for.

(R)eply replies to the list, (G)roup reply replies to all people in the CC
list and to the list. As far as my mailer is concerned, Listserv IS the
author....

On different mailers, sometimes these buttons do different
|things.

Exactly...

It also depends on what your mailer captures automatically as the
|reply to address.

Again, exactly....

|> A bit more complicated than just "hitting the right button" don't you
|think.
|
|Yes

True

|and no.

Wrong! It is more complicated than just hitting a button....

|> Stop blaming others when it was all your fault.
|
|Okay, sure. I am sorry that my mailer decided that the listserv sent me
|this message and was the correct reply to address when that wasn't the
|case. I don't know what came over it and I promise that if it does this
|again in the future and I don't spot the error before sending off the reply
|that I will starve it for a week. Better? ;)

Better yet. Execute it for treason against mailers, and get Pegasus or
Eudura.... (Well, you did say you were using a browser as an e-mail proggy)

<Snip my group alias explaination>

|That's a matter of taste, now isn't it?

Sounds rather common-sensible to me.....

Yes, it might have eliminated the
|problem of sending the file to the listserv, but I had no way to know that
|the mailer would grab the listserv address instead of the individual's
|e-mail account in the first place. Again, I am sorry to have caused any
|problems with this, but I don't see how a bunch of replies about not
|sending attachments will solve anything. I have been on this listserv for
|about 2 years now and am well aware of the FAQ and the rules pertaining to
|sending attachments to the list. It was a simple mistake. Just like any
|other accident, it could have been avoided with a bit more attention to
|detail, but I don't think that should open up the list for hunting season,
|either. ;)

Well.... All we did was offer some advice on how it SHOULD be done....
Next time, you know how to do it better.....
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:44:53 +0100
| Hey...just a little note here, but when I hit the reply to author
|button, it sends it to the mailing list. If I hit reply to all, it sends
|it to the mailing list twice. I don't know why, but that's what it does
|and and to make a private reply I have to copy the address by hand, which
|I didn't feel necessary for a two sentence reply, especially since I also
|wanted to sort of hint that I'd be interested in hearing other peoples
|alternatives to the official Psi-System.
| So don't go blaming me, 'kay?

I think I rest my case....
Do you use ELM by any chance?


--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 9
From: Charles R Joseph <arcaneacuity@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!]
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:51:13 -0400
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:44:53 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>I think I rest my case....
>Do you use ELM by any chance?

No, I use Juno...good ole freebie e-mail server.


Winter Wolfe Arcane
arcaneacuity@****.com

"When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate."
Message no. 10
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Psionic Rules [DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS!!!])
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:10:14 EDT
On Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:01:40 -0500 Jaymz <justin@******.NET> writes:
>#ELM is an email program, Juno is an email provider... Saying you use
>Juno
>#when someone asks if you use ELM is like saying "Yeah, I like apples"
>#after being asked "Do you want me to check the oil?" :)
>
>Juno is a service that FORCES you to use their mail program


OTOH, it's free, so I can't really complain:) 'Sides, you don't _have_ to
look at the ads:)

--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1

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