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Message no. 1
From: Jordan findlerman@*****.com
Subject: Psionics 2 (with a little bit of life imitating game thrown in.)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:47:16 -0800 (PST)
> Hi all again,
>
> Thanks for the input.
> But, I was thinking along a slightly different line.
> This one in fact :
>
> Psionics has nothing to do with the sixth world. It is purely a
development
> of the human mind.
>
> Here's a setting :
>
> A team of runners walks in to a hostile bar looking for someone.
> Suddenly one of the teams Sam's seems to go crazy, pulls his gun out
and
> starts spraying hot lead all over the bar.
> The teams mage goes "Hmmm, something not right here. That look's
like mind
> control." The mage goes astral and starts looking for any astrally
active
> people in the room but can't find any cos' our friendly psionicly
active NPC
> is a mundane and is not astrally active. He is just using the power
of his
> mind to control the Sam.
>
> The team then has to subdue the Sam and make a quick exit from the
building.
>
> That's the sort of thing I was thinking about. I want something
that once
> in a while I can throw a curve ball at the players from the rear
when they
> are expecting a fast ball from the front.
>
> What's everyone's take on that idea?

Two words: Too Powerful.

Beyond that, even if we assume that you can be mundane and a psionic,
which i would contest, there would still have to be some kind of trace
of the use of the power on the Astral. OK. For those of you who
dislike this kind of thing, sorry, but the fantasy game is supposed to
be based on fact. There are some out there, I am not one of them, who
believes that they can use Psionics. I am not saying whether they are
using psionic powers or not, I refuse to state my beliefs just because
people feel really strongly one way or the other here. What I can
tell you, is that, according to what I have learned in my research
into what most in today's modern world would cal 'Occult,' I have
heard of people actually astrally projecting into out-of-body
experiences (OBEs). Reguardless of what you think about OBEs, let's
assume that they are true, in order to reason this out logically. OK,
from what I've read in books writen by people who claim to Astrally
Project, these kinds of things that we call magic in Shadowrun, leave
a *very* visable trace on the astral side of things, both the etheric,
and astral. Note of clarification. The shadowrun form of Astral
Projection where the mage leaves his body and goes for an astral spin,
is often referred to as etheric projection, or the projection of the
phantom, by most occultist. What the call projection into the astral
planes *very* closely resembles what FASA describes as Meta-planes.
On both the etheric and astral planes, there is a very visible sign of
people who bend spoons with the power of their mind, make candles go
out, just by staring at it and other such things. OK. Let's say that
those people who can and do do this stuff are magically active. Even
those who profess it to be the power of mind-over-matter leave traces
on the astral. They are magically active, even if they do not believe
in it, at least from the view of the people who see auras (astral
perception).

I've gotta wrap this up.

I apologize for offending anyone, and please spare me any 'you are
going to hell for think that such things might exist' speaches. Once
again, i am not taking a stance on 'occultism,' just trying to use a
real life reference to reason this out.

Hasta Luego,

--Fin
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Message no. 2
From: Kyoto the Angel dann1@********.erols.com
Subject: Psionics 2 (with a little bit of life imitating game thrown in.)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:53:02 -0500
>Two words: Too Powerful.
>
>Beyond that, even if we assume that you can be mundane and a psionic,
>which i would contest, there would still have to be some kind of trace
>of the use of the power on the Astral. OK. For those of you who
>dislike this kind of thing, sorry, but the fantasy game is supposed to
>be based on fact. There are some out there, I am not one of them, who
>believes that they can use Psionics. I am not saying whether they are
>using psionic powers or not, I refuse to state my beliefs just because
>people feel really strongly one way or the other here. What I can
>tell you, is that, according to what I have learned in my research
>into what most in today's modern world would cal 'Occult,' I have
>heard of people actually astrally projecting into out-of-body
>experiences (OBEs). Reguardless of what you think about OBEs, let's
>assume that they are true, in order to reason this out logically. OK,
>from what I've read in books writen by people who claim to Astrally
>Project, these kinds of things that we call magic in Shadowrun, leave
>a *very* visable trace on the astral side of things, both the etheric,
>and astral. Note of clarification. The shadowrun form of Astral
>Projection where the mage leaves his body and goes for an astral spin,
>is often referred to as etheric projection, or the projection of the
>phantom, by most occultist. What the call projection into the astral
>planes *very* closely resembles what FASA describes as Meta-planes.
>On both the etheric and astral planes, there is a very visible sign of
>people who bend spoons with the power of their mind, make candles go
>out, just by staring at it and other such things. OK. Let's say that
>those people who can and do do this stuff are magically active. Even
>those who profess it to be the power of mind-over-matter leave traces
>on the astral. They are magically active, even if they do not believe
>in it, at least from the view of the people who see auras (astral
>perception).
>
>I've gotta wrap this up.
>
>I apologize for offending anyone, and please spare me any 'you are
>going to hell for think that such things might exist' speaches. Once
>again, i am not taking a stance on 'occultism,' just trying to use a
>real life reference to reason this out.
>
So, what you're saying, basically, is that, if people did indeed have these
"psychic" powers, nowadays, in our modern world, it's because they're of the
select few that have already started becoming magically active?

If that's not what you're saying, then it is what I'm saying. I would most
definitely say that psionics falls under the category of being magically
active. But, that's just me, who knows, maybe FASA will address this in
Magic in the Shadows (if it ever comes out)

Kyoto the Angel
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Message no. 3
From: Jordan findlerman@*****.com
Subject: Psionics 2 (with a little bit of life imitating game thrown in.)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:56:55 -0800 (PST)
<SNIP>

> So, what you're saying, basically, is that, if people did indeed
have these
> "psychic" powers, nowadays, in our modern world, it's because
they're of the
> select few that have already started becoming magically active?

In a manner of speaking, but, real life says that wayyyyy more than
'Less that 1% of the population' is 'magically active.' From what
I've read, it seems that *almost* everyone who wants to and tries can
see results, some just more significant than others. So the 'select
few' isn't so select, but it could be seen in this way, yes. and the
resurgence in Atheism/occultism/poly-theism could be making way for an
Awakening. Which is interesting, because, if i understand it right,
that is what Shadowrun will lead up to. When we (society) re-awakens
fully (like 200-500 years from now), the 1% will be the mundanes, not
the magically active. But we are already over 1% of the population.
And, if you listen to some folks, it *is* rising. It seems that the
story of the Awakening may be true, but the time table set out by FASA
may be wrong.
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Message no. 4
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Psionics 2 (with a little bit of life imitating game thrownin.)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:21:53 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart M. Willis <hbiki@****.geocities.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 17 February 1999 01:51
Subject: Re: Psionics 2 (with a little bit of life imitating game
thrownin.)


<snip non-committing stuff>
>
>[High amusing about Shadowrun being 'based in fact' when you have
Elves,
>Dwarves, Orks, and Trolls (western fantasy figures, roughly parallel
to the
>French, Welsh, and others I'm not sure of? The Vikings?) running
around to
>a Mayan calender and some of them using Indian Totem Magick!...
anyways]
>
>Magic in Shadowrun works alot differently to how many practioners of
magick
>in real life believe their magick to work AFAIK. Steven Kenson
pointed out
>this in his interview in TSS. End of Story.
>
<snip facts and bad language>

I really enjoyed the bit about the Western mytholgical figures in a
Mayan calendar slingng totem magic :)
What issue of TSS has the Kenson interview?

SR magic should be expanded to allow for other tradtions IMHO. You are
quite right to say that its unlikely that peoples all over the world
would either fall into Hermetic or Shamanic magic. We got a taste of
what we hope is in MitS with the Voudoun rules from Awakenings, but
what I would like to see are rules for designing other traditions or
an expansion on same.

Has anyone worked out rules for Chinese magc, hinted at in the
Underworld book? I find that rather intruiging.

Thanks -- BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>

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