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Message no. 1
From: Ben Jordan <jordanbd@***.BELOIT.EDU>
Subject: Question about a gun...
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 22:31:38 +22310502
I am pretty sure that this has probably been covered here at some time or
another, but I have a wee bit of a question regarding the Styer Aug as
listed in SRII.

One of the conversions available is a Sporting Rifle. It has a damage code
of 8S I believe. It is also listed as being capable of firing 3 round
bursts. That makes if a 10D damage code. Kind of hefty.

While this is convient for me (I have one), there is a certain question of the
validity of this listing. Could some one set me streight as to the legality
of continuing to use this damage code?
--

Ben-ha-meen \0
--i feel evil. like, that i am evil, not that |>
i feel an evil presence or something-- < \

james mcculloch
Message no. 2
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 00:12:01 -0600
The Steyr AAAGH!!!
>One of the conversions available is a Sporting Rifle. It has a damage code
>of 8S I believe. It is also listed as being capable of firing 3 round
>bursts. That makes if a 10D damage code. Kind of hefty.

Is it capable of burst fire when configured as a sporting rifle? Check--
I would but I don't have the rules handy. It shouldn't be.

J Roberson
Message no. 3
From: Ben Jordan <jordanbd@***.BELOIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 20:29:31 +22310502
Bad news...it specifically states that this weapon is capable of burst fire.
It has the designator beside it. Sigh. Guess the Styer is just really
cool.

--

Ben-ha-meen
--i feel evil. like, that i am evil, not that
i feel an evil presence or something--

james mcculloch
Message no. 4
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 00:08:17 -0500
On Thu, 16 Dec 1993, Ben Jordan wrote:

> Bad news...it specifically states that this weapon is capable of burst fire.
> It has the designator beside it. Sigh. Guess the Styer is just really
> cool.

My last character, Loudmouth, was lucky enough to find one of 'em
on the black market -- took a DAMNED lucky roll, something like a 14 or a
16, because I didn't have nego or street etiquette (never making THAT
mistake again!)
What I ended up doing was keeping the case with all the
interchangable parts in our van, and putting the weapon together on our
way to whatever place we thought we might need to shoot up. Just for the
hell of it, I would switch between normal and gel rounds -- almost killed
a guy with gel rounds, in autofire mode.

/--------------------\ "I must find the oaf who did this thing,
| J.D. Falk | explain to him his offense,
| jdfalk@***.gwu.edu | give him a chance to apologize,
\--------------------/ and kill him." -Robert A. Heinlein
Message no. 5
From: Chris Yang <cyang@*****.UBC.CA>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 12:55:43 -0800
As far as I was concerned, the different setups for the Styer
AUG are just changing stocks and barrels to give you an overall
different shaped gun. The receiver which controls the firing
mechanisms, would remain largely untouched.

I may be incorrect (I'm not really familiar with the AUG),
but that was always my interpretation.


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Chris Yang cyang@*****.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia cyang@******.botany.ubc.ca
Dept of Botany
Message no. 6
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 16:02:24 -0500
On Fri, 17 Dec 1993, J.D. Falk wrote:

> My last character, Loudmouth, was lucky enough to find one of 'em
> on the black market -- took a DAMNED lucky roll, something like a 14 or a
> 16,

you are way too kind. for something exotic like this special monster our
old gm would give something more akin to 18 to 21 for a roll tn
---------------------------------GRANITE
Message no. 7
From: "Brueggemann, Victor" <victorb@**.COM>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 14:06:00 PST
Chris Yang wrote:
>As far as I was concerned, the different setups for the Styer
>AUG are just changing stocks and barrels to give you an overall
>different shaped gun. The receiver which controls the firing
>mechanisms, would remain largely untouched.

I'd have to disagree. The difference in damage codes for the
weapon implies that it uses LMG Ammo for the LMG combination,
SMG Ammo for the SMG combination, and Rifle Ammo for the AR and
Carbine configurations, and hence a different chamber to
accommodate differing round sizes.

Completely aside from that, the fact that the Rifle config
does not have full-auto capability shows that the feed and
firing mechanisms are different.

It probably has a selection of stocks, a selection of firing
mechanisms, and a selection of barrels that can be swapped in
and out of a single casing as sub-assemblies.

It's too bad the LMG config can't be modified to accept belted
ammo, though.
Message no. 8
From: Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 21:49:35 -0600
>I'd have to disagree. The difference in damage codes for the
>weapon implies that it uses LMG Ammo for the LMG combination,
>SMG Ammo for the SMG combination, and Rifle Ammo for the AR and
>Carbine configurations, and hence a different chamber to
>accommodate differing round sizes.

Actually, I'd say they indicate differing levels of power and
accuracy from the same rounds as a result of varied barrel length
and stability. Note also the little blurb in SSC about Wedge
mounting the wrong combination of barrel and stock - if it took
a different chamber, would the barrel be the major factor?

>Completely aside from that, the fact that the Rifle config
>does not have full-auto capability shows that the feed and
>firing mechanisms are different.

Or it could show that the SMG and sport rifle stocks can't
handle full-auto (also follows from Wedge's experience) or that
the SMG and sport rifle barrels can't handle the heat generated
by full-auto fire.

>It probably has a selection of stocks, a selection of firing
>mechanisms, and a selection of barrels that can be swapped in
>and out of a single casing as sub-assemblies.

Hmm... Separate barrel, stock, and firing mechanism for each
configuration, eh? So what's being reused from one to the next?
Your version sounds like it's just a collection of 4 guns which
happen to come from the same company and can all be disassembled.

>It's too bad the LMG config can't be modified to accept belted
>ammo, though.

Another piece of evidence for all configurations firing from the
same chamber and feed.

esper@***.umn.edu
Message no. 9
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question about a gun...
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 01:00:12 -0500
On Fri, 17 Dec 1993, C. Paul Douglas wrote:

> > My last character, Loudmouth, was lucky enough to find one of 'em
> > on the black market -- took a DAMNED lucky roll, something like a 14 or a
> > 16,
>
> you are way too kind. for something exotic like this special monster our
> old gm would give something more akin to 18 to 21 for a roll tn

Well, there was more to it, I'm not exactly sure all of what was
involved. Ask Eric Trager, he was the GM, he's to blame. =^>

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