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Message no. 1
From: David Yiannakos yiannako@*******.edu
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:18:10 -0400
I asked this question a while ago, but my mail has been wonky and I'm not
sure if it made it to the list, so I ask again:

Several people were very helpful in telling me about NYPD inc. that handles
some of the police work in NYC. Does anyone know whether NYPD inc. ( or any
of the major police corperations for that matter) have regulations regarding
the hiring of metahumans? As a newcomer to Shadowrun I'm not sure whether
this kind of exclusion still happens in terms of hiring practices. Thanks.

---Dave ('s not here man)
Message no. 2
From: Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:43:08 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Yiannakos."
] I asked this question a while ago, but my mail has been wonky and I'm not
] sure if it made it to the list, so I ask again:

Yeah, but we all got worked up about other stuff. Sometimes you have
to try twice :)

] Several people were very helpful in telling me about NYPD inc. that handles
] some of the police work in NYC. Does anyone know whether NYPD inc. ( or any
] of the major police corperations for that matter) have regulations regarding
] the hiring of metahumans? As a newcomer to Shadowrun I'm not sure whether
] this kind of exclusion still happens in terms of hiring practices. Thanks.

I'd say definitely, though it depends on your view of the Shadowrun
world. In my mind, discrimination by race is an ever-ugly reality in
SR. Cops are mostly human, with maybe some Orks and Trolls thrown in
for good PR and to use as bruisers. The NYPD would be no different, I'd say.
Does affirmative action still happen? I dunno...you can bet there
wouldn't be official regulations saying that metahumans _can't_ be
hired, that's for sure. As to whether or not they have to hire a token
amount of metahumans...I really dunno.

-Boondocker
Message no. 3
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:32:26 EDT
In a message dated 9/14/1999 4:20:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
yiannako@*******.edu writes:

>
> Several people were very helpful in telling me about NYPD inc. that handles
> some of the police work in NYC. Does anyone know whether NYPD inc. ( or any
> of the major police corperations for that matter) have regulations
regarding
> the hiring of metahumans? As a newcomer to Shadowrun I'm not sure whether
> this kind of exclusion still happens in terms of hiring practices. Thanks.

IIRC in Lone Star (our copy is downstairs, sorry), does have, for the most
part, positive hiring practices with regards to metahumans. I don't know
about Knight Errant (the Ares version). I want to presume that most of the
larger agencies (those servicing larger communities) don't have any real
"metaracial" problems. In smaller communities, especially those with
*really* small populations (less than 10,000 IMO), things become different
probably.

-K
Message no. 4
From: Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:03:45 +0200
And finally, Dave expressed himself by writing:

> Several people were very helpful in telling me about NYPD inc.
> that handles
> some of the police work in NYC. Does anyone know whether NYPD
> inc. ( or any
> of the major police corperations for that matter) have
> regulations regarding
> the hiring of metahumans? As a newcomer to Shadowrun I'm not sure whether
> this kind of exclusion still happens in terms of hiring
> practices. Thanks.

Well, I bet anybody with a LoneStar
Sourcebook can answer your question, but
I don't own one :(
Anyway, I think Metahumans would be not
that common, as they are subject to heavy
racism. Elves and Dwarves would be more
common than Orcs and Trolls, as they are
the "better" Metas. IMO, one in twenty
officers is a elf or dwarf, one in fourty
an orc or troll.

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Message no. 5
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:36:56 +0200
According to Ereskanti@***.com, at 2:32 on 15 Sep 99, the word on
the street was...

> IIRC in Lone Star (our copy is downstairs, sorry), does have, for the most
> part, positive hiring practices with regards to metahumans. I don't know
> about Knight Errant (the Ares version). I want to presume that most of the
> larger agencies (those servicing larger communities) don't have any real
> "metaracial" problems. In smaller communities, especially those with
> *really* small populations (less than 10,000 IMO), things become different
> probably.

I would also expect larger security corps to vary the racial make-up of
their units to suit the area being patrolled. For example, in parts of the
city with large ork and troll populations there would be more orks and
trolls posted to the local precinct than in areas dominated by humans or
elves (which would get more humans and/or elves). This would accomplish
two things: first, it keeps the anti-metahuman "normals" from taking
offense at the security corp; and second, it probably makes for better
policing in any given area, because people are more likely to trust "their
own kind" than outsiders.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:36:56 +0200
According to David Yiannakos, at 17:18 on 14 Sep 99, the word on
the street was...

> I asked this question a while ago, but my mail has been wonky and I'm not
> sure if it made it to the list, so I ask again:

I don't think it did get through -- I don't remember seeing a question
like this, anyway.

> Several people were very helpful in telling me about NYPD inc. that handles
> some of the police work in NYC. Does anyone know whether NYPD inc. ( or any
> of the major police corperations for that matter) have regulations regarding
> the hiring of metahumans? As a newcomer to Shadowrun I'm not sure whether
> this kind of exclusion still happens in terms of hiring practices. Thanks.

IMHO, that kind of exclusion would be illegal in the UCAS and most other
countries, probably with the exception of Japan. (Extraterritorial
corporations can, of course, exclude whoever they want for whatever reason
they want, as long as they do it on their own, extraterritorial terrain.)
Discrimination is illegal in the UCAS, so not hiring metahumans because
they're metahumans could be fought in court -- provided you can make a
case, of course. If the corp is smart, they simply turn down most
metahumans and explain the decision by saying they didn't meet the
required standards or some such.

Unless you mean "positive discrimination" where you hire more metahumans
in order to make up for them being often put last, of course. This would
be allowed, I guess, and might possibly be encouraged by some governments.

--
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Send BIOS authors and hard drive manufacturers back to school!
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
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Message no. 7
From: Andrew Murdoch toreador@***.bc.ca
Subject: Question about CopCorps
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:47:17 -0700 (PDT)
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Scott W wrote:

> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Yiannakos."
> ] I asked this question a while ago, but my mail has been wonky and I'm not
> ] sure if it made it to the list, so I ask again:
>
> Yeah, but we all got worked up about other stuff. Sometimes you have
> to try twice :)
>
> ] Several people were very helpful in telling me about NYPD inc. that handles
> ] some of the police work in NYC. Does anyone know whether NYPD inc. ( or any
> ] of the major police corperations for that matter) have regulations regarding
> ] the hiring of metahumans? As a newcomer to Shadowrun I'm not sure whether
> ] this kind of exclusion still happens in terms of hiring practices. Thanks.
>
> I'd say definitely, though it depends on your view of the Shadowrun
> world. In my mind, discrimination by race is an ever-ugly reality in
> SR. Cops are mostly human, with maybe some Orks and Trolls thrown in
> for good PR and to use as bruisers. The NYPD would be no different, I'd say.
> Does affirmative action still happen? I dunno...you can bet there
> wouldn't be official regulations saying that metahumans _can't_ be
> hired, that's for sure. As to whether or not they have to hire a token
> amount of metahumans...I really dunno.

I imagine it would also depend on when your game is taking place and who's
hiring. Extraterritorial corporations (Lone Star, Knight Errant) would
probably have a more lenient hiring policy than any UCAS- based
corporation (NYPD INC.?) due to the only very recent status of metahumans
being granted full UCAS citizenship rights.

--
Raven
Sometimes known as Andrew C. Murdoch
toreador@***.bc.ca
http://members.xoom.com/corvisraven

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