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Message no. 1
From: Doctor Doom <JCH8169@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Question over dinner...
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 23:57:20 -0600
Meine Kamaraden:

A few nights ago I partook of my evening meal in the company of Loki (a.k.a.
Flare) and The Reverend, as is my custom. During the dinner conversation the
topic, as usual (inevitably?), turned to ShadowRun, and a rather intriguing
question was proposed:

What if...

A mage is searching a darkened building...and upon entering a certain room,
the Game Master informs him that he sees an animated humanoid form before him.
Details of the figure's appearance, due to lighting, are sketchy at best,
although the mage clearly observes the arms of the mystery man raised, as
though in preparation of casting a spell.

The player decides to unleash a combat spell at his potential opponent.

The problem? The mage has seen a mirror, and within the environment of the
darkened room, could not detect that his "opponent" was actually his own
reflection.

The question? Is the magician capable of "zapping" himself?


Colonel Count von Hohenzollern und von Doom, DMSc, DSc, PhD.

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Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 00:17:20 -0600
On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Doctor Doom wrote:

> The player decides to unleash a combat spell at his potential opponent.
>
> The problem? The mage has seen a mirror, and within the environment of the
> darkened room, could not detect that his "opponent" was actually his own
> reflection.

Y'know, just to be a vicious bastard, I'd say that the mage hoses
himself, but just to make it less deadly, I'd say the energies (outgoing
and incoming) work to cancel each other, so that all physical damage is
applied as STUN.

But I'm a vicious bastard.

But, there are certain elements to it. The problem is, does a mirrior
also mirror astral signatures, or just physical reflections.

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Message no. 3
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 17:22:24 +1100
I'm afraid it wouldn't work.
I gather that a mage can't use a mirror to cast spells,
he has to have direct line of sight.

Cute idea, though.

luke
Message no. 4
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:22:30 GMT
> The question? Is the magician capable of "zapping" himself?

Uhggh, questions of metaphysics eh ?

Well first off you have to think what the spell is doing. Now imagine the
trick where you cast a spell at an opponent seen in a mirror. The spell doesn't
reflect off the mirror, no what happens is that the spell has enough feeble
intelligence to realise that this is not the path to go. Instead it goes the
direct route from caster to target. Of course this raises more problems such
as intervening walls, magical barriers and plant life. For game purposes though
the spell is assumed to ignore any such barriers (ok it's a fudge but that's
what FASA do).

So the mage casting the spell at the reflection is actually casting the spell
upon himself, ie the spell hasn't reflected. So the question should be
"Can you cast a combat spell upon yourself ?" The answer to that question
I believe is yes, but prehaps this should be a question for the DLoH.

Phill.
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Message no. 5
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:14:00 GMT
>The question? Is the magician capable of "zapping" himself?

I would hope that in either formal study or exploration of his abilities
on his own, the mage would see his own aura and recognize it in instances
such as the one you cited, and would therefore avoid such a terrible fate.
After all, he will glimpse the aura before releasing the spell.

J Roberson
Message no. 6
From: "I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF DEATH,
Subject: Question over dinner
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 11:42:50 -0700
You might say that the mage is focusing the energy through his
body, and if he phukks up, zap!! But that would be indicidive of the
resist drain -- lost more good mages that way!
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Message no. 7
From: Chris Ryan <chrisr@*******.FIT.QUT.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 10:18:14 EST
> What if...
>
> A mage is searching a darkened building...and upon entering a certain room,
> the Game Master informs him that he sees an animated humanoid form before him.
> Details of the figure's appearance, due to lighting, are sketchy at best,
> although the mage clearly observes the arms of the mystery man raised, as
> though in preparation of casting a spell.
>
> The player decides to unleash a combat spell at his potential opponent.
>
> The problem? The mage has seen a mirror, and within the environment of the
> darkened room, could not detect that his "opponent" was actually his own
> reflection.
>
> The question? Is the magician capable of "zapping" himself?

I'd say no. Reason: When the mage goes to cast the spell, he astrally perceives.
As soon as he does this, he will know it's a reflection,and then know it's himself
in the reflection...

IMO, of course...

Chris
Message no. 8
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 23:33:37 -0500
On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Luke Kendall wrote:

> I'm afraid it wouldn't work.
> I gather that a mage can't use a mirror to cast spells,
> he has to have direct line of sight.

He has LOS. The mirror is not a technological device. This does not
violate the rule stating that there may be no technological means employed
in determining LOS. Such a situation as Herr Doom has explained would
innevitably wind up with a mage lying on the floor uncomscious, a hoist of
his own pretard.

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Message no. 9
From: Ioannis Fikouras <j07c@****.ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Question over dinner...
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:10:32 +0100
> > I'm afraid it wouldn't work.
> > I gather that a mage can't use a mirror to cast spells,
> > he has to have direct line of sight.
>
> He has LOS. The mirror is not a technological device. This does not
> violate the rule stating that there may be no technological means employed
> in determining LOS. Such a situation as Herr Doom has explained would
> innevitably wind up with a mage lying on the floor uncomscious, a hoist of
> his own pretard.

No I am afraid u are wrong there.Astral Auras are unique, a mage
can recognize persons or even objects from their respective
Auras. Now if a mage is in a position to recognize others
dont tell me that he wont recognize himself.

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Strong am I with the Force... but not that strong!
Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall.
That is the way of things ... the way of the Force.

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