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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sven De Herdt)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sat Jan 13 18:42:02 2001
I need some clarification on the physical mask spell.

The spell states that it alters the target's voice, scent and other physical
characteristics. The target also assumes some physical appearence (or the
same basic size and shape), chosen by the caster.

Does this last mean only flesh-like physical appearance or does this mean
that clothes and so on can also be changed?
If so, to what degree?

-sven ;)
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sat Jan 13 19:42:07 2001
> I need some clarification on the physical mask
spell.
>
> The spell states that it alters the target's voice,
scent and other physical characteristics. The target
also assumes some physical appearence (or the same
basic size and shape), chosen by the caster.
>
> Does this last mean only flesh-like physical
appearance or does this mean that clothes and so on
can also be changed? If so, to what degree?
> -sven ;)

>From all examples, Sven, and from every game I've ever
played in, it's been clothes as well as appearance.
Otherwise you'd have to get naked, cast the spell,
then put on the clothes for your disguise, and that's
hardly practical for runners, now, is it?

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (J. Keith Henry)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sat Jan 13 20:42:04 2001
From: "Sven De Herdt" <sven.deherdt@******.com>
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell


> I need some clarification on the physical mask spell.
>
> The spell states that it alters the target's voice, scent and other
physical
> characteristics. The target also assumes some physical appearence (or the
> same basic size and shape), chosen by the caster.
>
> Does this last mean only flesh-like physical appearance or does this mean
> that clothes and so on can also be changed?
> If so, to what degree?

It means pretty much whatever the caster can succeed at pulling off within
the spell success levels of the spell casting. We also rule that if the
spell is applied to a person/individual ... and that adjustment alters their
racial archetype (to a troll for instance), that the vehicular signature is
also effected accordingly by the one point adjustment (as per a
near-precedent with the Vehicle Mask spell).
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Hoosier Hacker House (http://hoosierhackerhouse.com/)
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sven De Herdt)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 04:42:00 2001
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> From all examples, Sven, and from every game I've ever
> played in, it's been clothes as well as appearance.
> Otherwise you'd have to get naked, cast the spell,
> then put on the clothes for your disguise, and that's
> hardly practical for runners, now, is it?

You're right, although I thought you would keep the clothes you're wearing
and only change appearance. Much in the way that you might look like the
top-exec, but you're still wearing that armered, gang-colored vest.
Thinking about it that wouldn't be very practical if you changed size (human
-> troll)... (stupid me, what was I thinking of).

An additional question though: would this mean that when the character is
wearing a ski-mask and armored vest and he did a physical mask, everything
would change?
This would mean that even if the physical mask is penetrated, they would
only see a man/woman in an armored vest, wearing a ski-mask and be unable to
identify him properly!?

Or would you rule the change can only be from living material -> living
material and from non-living materials -> non-living materials?

-sven ;)
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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Josh)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 06:42:01 2001
Sven said:

An additional question though: would this mean that when the character is
wearing a ski-mask and armored vest and he did a physical mask, everything
would change?
This would mean that even if the physical mask is penetrated, they would
only see a man/woman in an armored vest, wearing a ski-mask and be unable to
identify him properly!?

Or would you rule the change can only be from living material -> living
material and from non-living materials -> non-living materials?

Penetrating the spell simply means you see the subject as though the spell
we not there, so you'd see whatever the taget looked like before the
casting. So to answer your question, all they'd see is the dude in the mask
and vest, not the guy underneath.


I can't believe I just said dude.
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 07:42:15 2001
According to Sven De Herdt, on Sun, 14 Jan 2001 the word on the street
was...

> Does this last mean only flesh-like physical appearance or does this mean
> that clothes and so on can also be changed?
> If so, to what degree?

As far as I'm concerned, anything shaped enough like a human will do --
clothes will change if you want to, you could become a living fashion
dummy, and so on. I once let a player use Physical Mask to become a large
clock, even.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (J. Keith Henry)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 08:42:00 2001
From: "Sven De Herdt" <sven.deherdt@******.com>
Subject: RE: Question: Physical Mask Spell


> You're right, although I thought you would keep the clothes you're wearing
> and only change appearance. Much in the way that you might look like the
> top-exec, but you're still wearing that armered, gang-colored vest.
> Thinking about it that wouldn't be very practical if you changed size
(human
> -> troll)... (stupid me, what was I thinking of).
>
> An additional question though: would this mean that when the character is
> wearing a ski-mask and armored vest and he did a physical mask, everything
> would change?
> This would mean that even if the physical mask is penetrated, they would
> only see a man/woman in an armored vest, wearing a ski-mask and be unable
to
> identify him properly!?

Sven... you are making this about 10 times more difficult than it really
needs to be. Please remember however that some cues can help, and some
can't. Speaking *through* a helmet/ski mask/protective mask will alter the
*base* person's speach... the spell alters the way you sound... but the
limit (personal limit) might be reached there. At the very least, perhaps
give the perceiver a +1 modifier in their benefit to perceiving "that
*something* odd about the guy/gal they're talking with".

> Or would you rule the change can only be from living material -> living
> material and from non-living materials -> non-living materials?

Yep, definitely making this more difficult than you have to.
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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 12:42:01 2001
>Sven... you are making this about 10 times more difficult than it really
>needs to be. Please remember however that some cues can help, and some
>can't. Speaking *through* a helmet/ski mask/protective mask will alter the
>*base* person's speach... the spell alters the way you sound... but the
>limit (personal limit) might be reached there. At the very least, perhaps
>give the perceiver a +1 modifier in their benefit to perceiving "that
>*something* odd about the guy/gal they're talking with".

Would somebody with naturally slurred speach be easier to notice when using
Mask, then? I think not. That's kind of like saying a person who was under
the effects of "invisability" would be easier to see if they were wearing
bright colors- sure, if you resist the effects of the spell! Its a full
senory illusion spell (like, say, trid phatasm) that ONLY affects people
when they are interacting with the target, but, if not resisted, it fools
them. The whole point of the spell is that there is NOT something funny
about the person (unless that is specified by the caster of of the spell),
because they are covered by an illusion spell!

>> Or would you rule the change can only be from living material -> living
>> material and from non-living materials -> non-living materials?
>
>Yep, definitely making this more difficult than you have to.

Yeah, because there is no change at all- illusion spells simply make people
(and machines) sense something that is not there (created by magic) and
ignore what is really there.

-Sebastian
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sven De Herdt)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 15:12:00 2001
>>> Or would you rule the change can only be from living
>>> material -> living
>>> material and from non-living materials -> non-living materials?
>>
>>Yep, definitely making this more difficult than you have to.
>
> Yeah, because there is no change at all- illusion spells
> simply make people
> (and machines) sense something that is not there (created by
> magic) and
> ignore what is really there.

I think I got it (sort of)... after all it's merely an illusion, not a
change of anything or anyone.

I was just to concerned with what and how things would/were changed, while
there actually isn't any change going on.
It's a shift/alteration of perception that's obtained, nothing more nothing
less.

Thanks for your clarifications on this subject,

-sven ;)
--

PS: I'm known always to avoid the easy way and go straight for the difficult
once :)
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Sun Jan 14 19:42:14 2001
<snipt!(TM)>
> You're right, although I thought you would keep the
clothes you're wearing and only change appearance.
Much in the way that you might look like the top-exec,
but you're still wearing that armered, gang-colored
vest. Thinking about it that wouldn't be very
practical if you changed size (human -> troll)...
(stupid me, what was I thinking of).

Yes, I do that sometimes too. :)

> An additional question though: would this mean that
when the character is wearing a ski-mask and armored
vest and he did a physical mask, everything would
change? This would mean that even if the physical
mask is penetrated, they would only see a man/woman in
an armored vest, wearing a ski-mask and be unable to
identify him properly!?
>
> Or would you rule the change can only be from living
material -> living material and from non-living
materials -> non-living materials?
> -sven ;)

In my games, as long as the spell works, you can
change from anything you have on, to anything you can
imagine. You could be running around NUDE and still
look like you're wearing a suit. Of course, you might
freeze to death...;)

It's an illusion, not a transformation manipulation.
What you're talking about above is more like the
Fashion spell - change your clothes into something
else. Physical Mask is a very useful spell. Someone
who knows it will never have to worry about dress
codes again. :)

Which reminds me of an example in a game I was playing
in. The team had been asked to come to a flash
restaurant for a meet with a Johnson. While my
character was trying to persuade the resident adept
and stubborn mule to put on the tie the maitre d' was
giving him, he heard a commotion outside. Looking out,
he saw the team's fox shapeshifter in an argument with
the doorman. Something about inappropriate attire.
Now, personally, I don't see anything wrong with
jeans, a t-shirt and bare feet, but rules are rules.
So my character shoved the tie on the adept, went
outside, grabbed our dear kitsune and led her away
with profuse apologies. In an alley next door, he then
used his physical mask spell to give her a total
makeover - flash dress with a neckline down to here
and slits for her legs up to here, high heels,
hair-do, make-up, the works. And it matched his
tres-chic outfit. :) The two of them then walked in
arm-in-arm, leaving jaws dropping in their wake.

*sigh* It's nice to have class. ;)

The other thing is, Sven, you don't HAVE to change the
clothes if you don't want to. That same character of
mine is rather paranoid and doesn't like showing his
real face to employers or to people he hasn't worked
with before, so he often casts a physical mask spell
(using a sustaining focus) to change just his rather
distinctive appearance - face, hands, hair, eyes,
skin-tone, anything else recognisable. Sometimes he
even changes his height and weight, although then,
obviously, he has to alter his clothes.

Just remember this, Sven - it's an illusion. Illusions
can do just about anything, because they're NOT REAL.
For that reason, they're very versatile in what they
can APPEAR to do, but the don't REALLY do anything.
Use that as a rule of thumb.

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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wavy Davy)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Tue Jan 16 11:12:09 2001
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, [iso-8859-1] Rand Ratinac wrote:

> In my games, as long as the spell works, you can
> change from anything you have on, to anything you can
> imagine. You could be running around NUDE and still
> look like you're wearing a suit. Of course, you might
> freeze to death...;)
>
> It's an illusion, not a transformation manipulation.
> What you're talking about above is more like the
> Fashion spell - change your clothes into something
> else. Physical Mask is a very useful spell. Someone
> who knows it will never have to worry about dress
> codes again. :)

[snip amusing example]

> Just remember this, Sven - it's an illusion. Illusions
> can do just about anything, because they're NOT REAL.
> For that reason, they're very versatile in what they
> can APPEAR to do, but the don't REALLY do anything.
> Use that as a rule of thumb.

Well, it's been a while since I posted any thing - here goes :)

Does it mask weapons as well, both from a visual/physical search
and a magnetic/chem sniffer search, seen as its a physical spell?

So you need not worry about your pistol being seen when under the
effects of this spell? Or your Assault rifle? How about your Panther
Assault Cannon? Or does it not affect weapons at all? In which case,
does the illusionary clothing you create give better concealability if
appropriate?

If you mask as a security guard, for example, does it come with an
illusionary gun? One that could be used to threaten?

If you can, this is possibly one of the most useful spell about, but
its a bit unspecified.

Alternate identity change option - get someone to tattoo a quickend
physical mask on you, high force (8?) and your appearence is changed
forever (more or less). No need for magic looseing surgery or
recovery time. And the tattoo would be masked by the spell. TN 16
to dispell, 8 to resist versus initial successes(5/6?). Hello world.
:)


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about ten thousand bees. When he says "I'll try," five thousand bees. ("I
can," one bee.)
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Tue Jan 16 13:42:06 2001
According to Wavy Davy, on Tue, 16 Jan 2001 the word on the street was...

> Well, it's been a while since I posted any thing - here goes :)

Hey, so you're still alive, too? :)

> Does it mask weapons as well, both from a visual/physical search
> and a magnetic/chem sniffer search, seen as its a physical spell?

I think the question here is: does physical mask create a tangible
illusion, or only a visual one? If it's only visual, then it could hide
weapons from a casual inspection but not from an actual search. If it's a
tangible illusion, though, you could hide just about anything as long as
it's small enough to become part of your body under the illusion. (So no,
you couldn't hide a full backpack -- not unless you want to mask yourself as
the Hunchback of the Notre Dame, anyway ;)

Unfortunately, the spell description in SR3 does not say either way, so this
is basically left up to the GM to decide.

> If you mask as a security guard, for example, does it come with an
> illusionary gun? One that could be used to threaten?

It only comes up with what you want it to show, and it must be the "same
basic size and shape" -- IMO you could create a hold-out pistol in your
hand, but not a Predator; a pistol in your belt or on a holster might be
doable, but you wouldn't be able to draw it.

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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Simon and Fiona)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 01:12:00 2001
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <Gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: Question: Physical Mask Spell




>I think the question here is: does physical mask create a tangible
>illusion, or only a visual one?

For me it would be tangible, it would affect every sense. The trick is
though that it is still only an illusion. The hand would feel the gun but
the mind wouldn't register it.
A slightly out of context example is an illusion of a wall. If you knocked
on an illusory wall it would make a sound and hurt your knuckles and your
hand would stop at the wall's surface, but if you leaned against the wall
you'd fall straight through because it's gravity making the rules and your
mind no longer has much say.
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rookie)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 02:42:00 2001
> For me it would be tangible, it would affect every sense. The trick is
> though that it is still only an illusion. The hand would feel
> the gun but
> the mind wouldn't register it.
> A slightly out of context example is an illusion of a wall.
> If you knocked
> on an illusory wall it would make a sound and hurt your
> knuckles and your
> hand would stop at the wall's surface, but if you leaned
> against the wall
> you'd fall straight through because it's gravity making the
> rules and your
> mind no longer has much say.

Physically you would fall through the wall, but would your mind think you
fell or would your mind think are still leaning against the wall?

-Rookie
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 06:42:00 2001
According to Rookie, on Wed, 17 Jan 2001 the word on the street was...

> Physically you would fall through the wall, but would your mind think you
> fell or would your mind think are still leaning against the wall?

Only if you've got the intellect of a typical rock :)

I think your first clear thought would be in the order of, "Hey, the wall
collapsed when I leaned against it!" But then you look up and see the back
of the illusiory wall and realize what actually happened.

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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Tim Mathena)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 07:12:00 2001
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> I think your first clear thought would be in the order of,
> "Hey, the wall
> collapsed when I leaned against it!" But then you look up and
> see the back
> of the illusiory wall and realize what actually happened.
>

Or if it is a high enough rating it might convince your mind your leaning
against it. But in all actuality you might barely be touching.


-Rookie

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Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wavy Davy)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 09:12:00 2001
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Gurth wrote:

> Hey, so you're still alive, too? :)

Barely. It's exam time in the UK :( Previous post was just another
of many ingenious ways of avoiding doing any revision :)

> > Does it mask weapons as well, both from a visual/physical search
> > and a magnetic/chem sniffer search, seen as its a physical spell?
>
> I think the question here is: does physical mask create a tangible
> illusion, or only a visual one? If it's only visual, then it could hide
> weapons from a casual inspection but not from an actual search. If it's a
> tangible illusion, though, you could hide just about anything as long as
> it's small enough to become part of your body under the illusion. (So no,
> you couldn't hide a full backpack -- not unless you want to mask yourself as
> the Hunchback of the Notre Dame, anyway ;)

Well, IRC it is a full sensory illusion, so would affect touch as wll
eg if you masked as an elf your ears would feel pointy as well as
look pointy. However, I think it is only a minor change, so I guess
the GM does need to interpret what constitues a minor/major change.
Dwarf to troll may be a little too much to swallow.

> > If you mask as a security guard, for example, does it come with an
> > illusionary gun? One that could be used to threaten?
>
> It only comes up with what you want it to show, and it must be the "same
> basic size and shape" -- IMO you could create a hold-out pistol in your
> hand, but not a Predator; a pistol in your belt or on a holster might be
> doable, but you wouldn't be able to draw it.

Why the distinction between a hold out and a heavy pistol? Just size?

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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 13:42:00 2001
According to Tim Mathena, on Wed, 17 Jan 2001 the word on the street was...

> Or if it is a high enough rating it might convince your mind your leaning
> against it. But in all actuality you might barely be touching.

That's what AD&D used to say about illusionary walls (not sure about the
new edition) and I always found it a stupid explanation that you could
think you were leaning against one while actually putting your weight on
your feet...

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Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 13:42:03 2001
According to Wavy Davy, on Wed, 17 Jan 2001 the word on the street was...

> Well, IRC it is a full sensory illusion

It doesn't say, that's the problem :)

> so would affect touch as wll eg if you masked as an elf your ears would
> feel pointy as well as look pointy. However, I think it is only a
> minor change, so I guess the GM does need to interpret what
> constitues a minor/major change. Dwarf to troll may be a little too
> much to swallow.

Going by the size & shape rule, I would disallow changing appearance from
human to dwarf or troll, let alone dwarf <-> troll. A human becoming an elf
or an ork shouldn't be too much of a problem, provided you've got the build
for it (else you'll be a short elf or a thin ork).

> > It only comes up with what you want it to show, and it must be the "same
> > basic size and shape" -- IMO you could create a hold-out pistol in your
> > hand, but not a Predator; a pistol in your belt or on a holster might be
> > doable, but you wouldn't be able to draw it.
>
> Why the distinction between a hold out and a heavy pistol? Just size?

Yes. Hold-outs, if you look at the pictures, are small enough that you
could "form" them from your hand, while a Predator is a very large weapon
(going by the artwork in SRII) and would contitute a change beyond basic
size and shape, IMHO.

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Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Snap Dragon)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 21:42:01 2001
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wavy Davy <ctysmd@****.leeds.ac.uk>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: January 17, 2001 6:31 AM
Subject: RE: Question: Physical Mask Spell

It says in the book the Physical mask changes everything and can even change smell and
signiture (of a vehical)based on sucsesses so I say enough sucsesses could mask it against
physical search and chemsniffers. To the searcher it would seem real, to the device it
would seem real, but in reality "there is no spoon."

Snap Dragon
"of all the things I've lost in my travels I miss my mind the most"




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href="mailto:ctysmd@****.leeds.ac.uk">ctysmd@****.leeds.ac.uk</A>&gt;<BR><B>To:

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</B>January 17, 2001 6:31 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: Question:
Physical Mask
Spell</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>It says in the book the Physical
mask changes
everything and can even change smell and signiture (of a vehical)based on
sucsesses so I say enough sucsesses could mask it against physical search and
chemsniffers.&nbsp; To the searcher it would seem real, to the device it would
seem real, but in reality &quot;there is no spoon.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Snap Dragon</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;of
all the things I've lost in my travels I miss my mind the most&quot;
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Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (The Mannings)
Subject: Question: Physical Mask Spell
Date: Wed Jan 17 21:42:05 2001
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wavy Davy <ctysmd@****.leeds.ac.uk>
>To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Date: January 16, 2001 8:32 AM
>Subject: RE: Question: Physical Mask Spell


It says in the book the Physical mask changes everything and can even change smell and
signiture (of a vehical)based on sucsesses so I say enough sucsesses could mask it against
physical search and chemsniffers. To the searcher it would seem real, to the device it
would seem real, but in reality "there is no spoon."


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>&gt;-----Original
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href="mailto:ctysmd@****.leeds.ac.uk">ctysmd@****.leeds.ac.uk</A>&gt;<BR><B>&gt;To:

</B><A
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&lt;<A
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</B>January 16, 2001 8:32 AM<BR><B>&gt;Subject: </B>RE:
Question: Physical Mask
Spell<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>It says in the book the Physical
mask changes
everything and can even change smell and signiture (of a vehical)based on
sucsesses so I say enough sucsesses could mask it against physical search and
chemsniffers.&nbsp; To the searcher it would seem real, to the device it would
seem real, but in reality &quot;there is no spoon.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
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