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Message no. 1
From: Tai'Chara StarGazer <taichara@*******.COM>
Subject: Questions about LAVs and Rigger2 and such (newbie alert :>)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:02:48 PDT
Hi all,

I'm a newbie in more ways than one I suppose -- new to the list, and
new to Shadowrun (well, GMing Shadowrun). And my prospective players
have already handed me a headache..

One of my players decided that he wanted to play a rigger character.
Unfortunately, he *also* became utterly fascinated with tbirds..and
promptly went to the Web to look for more info (as I informed him there
was no way he was starting with a tbird, built from scratch or no).

He came back to me with two different articles -- one from NERPS
(Shadowlore, I think..) on 'Low-Altitude Vectored Thrust Vehicles' (they
seem like midget tbirds to me..), and something called 'The Jammer's
Guide to LAVs' (which has listings of different tbird chassis and power
plants -- I'm not certain of where this article came from, all he tells
me is "Kilroy's Page" *sighs*)

Now, I do have Rigger2...and the information in these articles looks
nothing like what's in the book. And my player is asking me to convert
it over so he can make "a tbird you'll let me have" (his words)...

If anyone can help me out on this, I'd be much obliged -- it looks
like useful material, even if it isn't used in-game right away..

Thanks :>

Tai'Chara



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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Questions about LAVs and Rigger2 and such (newbie alert :>)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:38:10 +0200
According to Tai'Chara StarGazer, at 15:02 on 10 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> He came back to me with two different articles -- one from NERPS
> (Shadowlore, I think..) on 'Low-Altitude Vectored Thrust Vehicles' (they
> seem like midget tbirds to me..)

Yes, that'd be NERPS: ShadowLore. To me, the vehicles seem like an attempt
to get CP2020-type vehicles into Shadowrun, which IMHO doesn't really fit
into the world, but they're there if you want to use them.

> and something called 'The Jammer's
> Guide to LAVs' (which has listings of different tbird chassis and power
> plants -- I'm not certain of where this article came from, all he tells
> me is "Kilroy's Page" *sighs*)

No idea here -- I've never heard of this one.

> Now, I do have Rigger2...and the information in these articles looks
> nothing like what's in the book. And my player is asking me to convert
> it over so he can make "a tbird you'll let me have" (his words)...

The info in those books will probably be in the form of SRII and/or Rigger
Black Book stats, which are different from Rigger 2 ones in many minor
ways. The obvious difference is that the vehicles in the RBB were made up
to look good, while those in Rigger 2 were built using the design system.

> If anyone can help me out on this, I'd be much obliged -- it looks
> like useful material, even if it isn't used in-game right away..

I'd say deny him that LAVs exist except the panzers -- sorry, T-birds --
that the military, megacorps, and similar entities use; normal
transportation in your SR world will then still be ground vehicles,
helicopters, fixed-wing aircraft, and so on, but no vectored thrust
vehicles. No way in hell of ever getting a military one on the street, of
course.

This may cause some whining from the player, but if you maintain they
don't fit into your view of the Shadowrun world (too technically advanced -
- remember that SR suffered the Crash of '29) I'd say that'll be the end
of it. After all, you're the GM and you can disallow anything you want if
you can provide a plausible enough reason.

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Message no. 3
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Questions about LAVs and Rigger2 and such (newbie alert :>)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:25:13 -0400
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Tai'Chara StarGazer wrote:

<snip newbie GM and player wanting a Tbird>
-> Now, I do have Rigger2...and the information in these articles looks
->nothing like what's in the book. And my player is asking me to convert
->it over so he can make "a tbird you'll let me have" (his words)...

You could make up a Tbird using the rules in Rigger2 (it's not
easy, but it's doable), but using SR3 (and I believe SR2) you cannot start
the game with a piece of equipment with a rating better than 6 or an
availability greater than 8, and a "customized mini-Tbird" would
definitely have a higher availability than 8. Have the player work for
it, and hard. Tbirds are very powerful and a real bitch to find a parking
spot for.... ]:-)

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