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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Questions about sabots
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:52:48 +0100
Arno R. Lehmann said on 18:27/14 Jan 97...

> >the reason modern tank guns don't use them anymore is because they fire
> >APFSDS ammo, whose sabots c/would end up getting caught by the muzzle
> whose ^^^^^^^^ what???
> >brake.

Sabots (pronounced "SAY-bow" or something) are the packing pieces around a
sub-caliber round, that fly off when the round leaves the barrel. For
example, the German 120 mm tank gun actually fires rounds that are 46 mm
in diameter, with the remaining 74 mm made up of lightweight material.
This gives the small-caliber round a higher velocity than can be achieved
with a full-caliber (120 mm) round, and thus a flatter trajectory and
higher armor penetration.

These rounds are known as APDS (Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot), or
APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fins Stabilized Discarding Sabot) if the actual
round has fins at the end, like an arrow.

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Message no. 2
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Questions about sabots
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:59:38 +0100
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:52:48 +0100, Gurth wrote:

> >the reason modern tank guns don't use them anymore is because they fire
> >APFSDS ammo, whose sabots c/would end up getting caught by the muzzle
> >brake.
>
>These rounds are known as APDS (Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot), or
>APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fins Stabilized Discarding Sabot) if the actual
>round has fins at the end, like an arrow.

Doesn't that imply that no gun can have muzzle brakes or similar stuff
(silencers also, I suppose) when firing APDS-ammo?

-- Arno
Message no. 3
From: "Paul J. Adam" <paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Questions about sabots
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:47:53 +0000
In message <199701170158.BAA161465@*********.ny.us.ibm.net>, "Arno R.
Lehmann" <arlehma@***.net> writes
>Doesn't that imply that no gun can have muzzle brakes or similar stuff
>(silencers also, I suppose) when firing APDS-ammo?

One assumes that in sixty years of progress they have found a way :)

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Questions about sabots
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:14:22 +0100
Paul J. Adam said on 17:47/17 Jan 97...

> >Doesn't that imply that no gun can have muzzle brakes or similar stuff
> >(silencers also, I suppose) when firing APDS-ammo?
>
> One assumes that in sixty years of progress they have found a way :)

That's the simple explanation that should work best :) Alternatively, you
could say that firing APDS rounds through a silencer stands a chance of
reducing the silencer's effectiveness due to damage to it.

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