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Message no. 1
From: Cernunnos Morrigu <cmorrigu@********.NET>
Subject: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:27:45 -0500
Greets,

I was looking at a character
(http://members.tripod.com/~SVanDelen/trauma.html) and got into a
discussion about whether Wired Reflexes 2 and Synaptic Accelerator 2 were
compatable. I remember it being explicity stated somewhere that they are
not, but the defense argued that the bioware rules contradict this. Not
having the appropriate book handy (it's prolly in a box somehwere to be
moved) I thought I'd ask...

Thanks



Back to biz,
-CM
---
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Message no. 2
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:38:11 +1000
> Greets,
>
> I was looking at a character
> (http://members.tripod.com/~SVanDelen/trauma.html) and got into a
> discussion about whether Wired Reflexes 2 and Synaptic Accelerator 2
> were
> compatable. I remember it being explicity stated somewhere that they
> are
> not, but the defense argued that the bioware rules contradict this.
> Not
> having the appropriate book handy (it's prolly in a box somehwere to
> be
> moved) I thought I'd ask...
>
> Thanks
>
> Cernunnos Morrigu | "Summer, check that door!"
>
>
WAY not compatible.

According to Cybertechnology, synaptic acceleration 1 is compatible with
low grade move-by-wire systems (level 1? 2 at most? Something like
that), but apart from that, there are NO reflex enhancements WHICH ADD
EXTRA DICE that are compatible with each other.

In other words wired reflexes and move-by-wire? Nope. Wired reflexes and
boosted reflexes? Nope. Synaptic accelerator and wired reflexes? Uh uh.

So you just tell that boy that he's wrong. If he points to the bioware
rules from Shadowtech - well, I can't say that he's reading it
incorrectly, because I can't remember them exactly, but you tell him
that those rules are from 1ST EDITION! They're out of date by about 8
years or so as I recall - and if they says what he says they do, then
they've been outdated for years now. If anything new contradicts
anything old, then you go with the newer rule - and the newer rule says
that wired reflexes rating whatever does NOT work with synaptic
accelerator rating whatever.

*Doc' lays down the law...:)*

Doc'

.sig Sauer
Message no. 3
From: Cernunnos Morrigu <cmorrigu@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:05:56 -0500
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 1/14/99, at 1:38 PM, Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:


>WAY not compatible.
>According to Cybertechnology, synaptic acceleration 1 is compatible with
>low grade move-by-wire systems (level 1? 2 at most? Something like
>that), but apart from that, there are NO reflex enhancements WHICH ADD
>EXTRA DICE that are compatible with each other.

Hmm... No cyber/bio, but what about adept powers? (I know, I'm drifting
from my initial question, but....)

>In other words wired reflexes and move-by-wire? Nope. Wired reflexes and
>boosted reflexes? Nope. Synaptic accelerator and wired reflexes? Uh uh.

WR and Reaction Enhancer? (I know, one's dice, one's not...)

>So you just tell that boy that he's wrong. If he points to the bioware
>rules from Shadowtech - well, I can't say that he's reading it
>incorrectly, because I can't remember them exactly, but you tell him
>that those rules are from 1ST EDITION! They're out of date by about 8
>years or so as I recall - and if they says what he says they do, then
>they've been outdated for years now. If anything new contradicts
>anything old, then you go with the newer rule - and the newer rule says
>that wired reflexes rating whatever does NOT work with synaptic
>accelerator rating whatever.

Ok, will do. Thanks for the speedy reply.



Back to biz,
-CM
---
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Message no. 4
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:27:00 EST
In a message dated 1/13/1999 9:28:41 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
cmorrigu@********.NET writes:

>
> I was looking at a character
> (http://members.tripod.com/~SVanDelen/trauma.html) and got into a
> discussion about whether Wired Reflexes 2 and Synaptic Accelerator 2 were
> compatable. I remember it being explicity stated somewhere that they are
> not, but the defense argued that the bioware rules contradict this. Not
> having the appropriate book handy (it's prolly in a box somehwere to be
> moved) I thought I'd ask...
>
To be succinct and nice, they are NOT compatible. Move-by-Wire and Synaptic
Level "1" are, at the time of the writing of the Cybertechnology's
"Shadowtalk" commentary.

-K
Message no. 5
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:19:09 -0500
Cernunnos Morrigu wrote:

> Hmm... No cyber/bio, but what about adept powers? (I know, I'm drifting
> from my initial question, but....)

General Rule: Magical bonii don't stack with cybernetic ones.

> >In other words wired reflexes and move-by-wire? Nope. Wired reflexes and
> >boosted reflexes? Nope. Synaptic accelerator and wired reflexes? Uh uh.
>
> WR and Reaction Enhancer? (I know, one's dice, one's not...)

Yep, they stack. The section from Cybertechnology mentions Wired
Reflexes specifically, IIRC.

> >So you just tell that boy that he's wrong. If he points to the bioware
> >rules from Shadowtech - well, I can't say that he's reading it
> >incorrectly, because I can't remember them exactly, but you tell him
> >that those rules are from 1ST EDITION! They're out of date by about 8
> >years or so as I recall - and if they says what he says they do, then
> >they've been outdated for years now. If anything new contradicts
> >anything old, then you go with the newer rule - and the newer rule says
> >that wired reflexes rating whatever does NOT work with synaptic
> >accelerator rating whatever.

Not that it matters overmuch, Doc: Synaptic Accelerators were _never_
compatible with Wired Reflexes, nor with Boosted Reflexes (which also
doesn't stack with anything else).

--
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Does anybody see?
Or are they deaf and dumb like me?"
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Message no. 6
From: Keith Hedger <HEDGEEK@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:01:49 EST
Our standard house rule on Synaptic Accelerators and Move by Wire is that the
SA had to be implanted (installed?) first, or they don't work, and won't work
with anything above L2 MBW.

Just to add to the fray,

Grimster
Message no. 7
From: Mongoose <m0ng005e@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 02:59:38 -0600
:According to Cybertechnology, synaptic acceleration 1 is compatible with
:low grade move-by-wire systems (level 1? 2 at most? Something like
:that), but apart from that, there are NO reflex enhancements WHICH ADD
:EXTRA DICE that are compatible with each other.

If implemented simultaniously, the level one SynAc can work with any
level of MBW.
Also, the other systems dice are not CUMULATIVE. Boosted reflexes is
not COMPATABLE with wires or a VCR (if you get boosted, you can nevr get
the latter), but it is possible to have any or all of the other systems-
just not use them at once, afaik. You could have Wires (with a reflex
trigger), turn it off and use your SynAc, and also have a VCR.
Hairspliting, maybe, but worth keeping in mind.

Mongoose
Message no. 8
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:51:47 -0600
From: Cernunnos Morrigu
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 8:28 PM

This has probably already been answered (I've only got another 60 or so
to go to get caught up in this list), but just on the off chance that it
hasn't been....

> I was looking at a character
>(http://members.tripod.com/~SVanDelen/trauma.html) and got into a
>discussion about whether Wired Reflexes 2 and Synaptic Accelerator 2
>were compatable. I remember it being explicity stated somewhere
>that they are not, but the defense argued that the bioware rules
>contradict this.

The entry for Synaptic Accelerators does, in fact, specifically state
that it's incompatible with Wired Reflex systems (and Boosted Reflex
systems as well). You're right, they're wrong.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 9
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:51:49 -0600
From: Cernunnos Morrigu
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:06 PM

>>In other words wired reflexes and move-by-wire? Nope. Wired
>>reflexes and boosted reflexes? Nope. Synaptic accelerator and
>>wired reflexes? Uh uh.
>
> WR and Reaction Enhancer? (I know, one's dice, one's not...)

Good (and legal) combo; I recommend it if you've got the cash and the
Essence and you feel you need that kind of Reaction.


--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 10
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:42:06 -0600
From: Mongoose
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 3:00 AM

> Also, the other systems dice are not CUMULATIVE. Boosted
>reflexes is not COMPATABLE with wires or a VCR (if you get boosted,
>you can nevr get the latter), but it is possible to have any or all
>of the other systems- just not use them at once, afaik.

Errrrrr...no. Synaptic Accelerators are specifically stated as being
incompatible with Wired Reflexes or Boosted Reflexes. Using your own
statement above, this means that you can't have one and get the other.

>You could have Wires (with a reflex trigger), turn it off and use
>your SynAc, and also have a VCR.

Even if you could do this, why on Earth would you want to?

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 11
From: Mongoose <m0ng005e@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:28:08 -0600
:>You could have Wires (with a reflex trigger), turn it off and use
:>your SynAc, and also have a VCR.
:
:Even if you could do this, why on Earth would you want to?


Maybe you Have wired 3, but want to still be fast-ish (but not jumpy)
when it is turned off. I take the "not compatible" to mean "cannot
operate cumulatively", but you are probably right, they would be hard to
even have installed simultaneously.

Mongoose
Message no. 12
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Question: WR2 and SA2 Compatable?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:50:38 +1000
> Not that it matters overmuch, Doc: Synaptic Accelerators were _never_
> compatible with Wired Reflexes, nor with Boosted Reflexes (which also
> doesn't stack with anything else).
> <Little Johnny Pederson>
>
> I was pretty sure of that myself, John, but I've been sure of other
> things in the past too, y'know? :)
>
>
> Ok, will do. Thanks for the speedy reply.
> Cernunnos Morrigu
>
> Waal, that's mah job, son.
>
> *Doc' struts around doing an EXTREMELY bad John Wayne impression.*
>
> Doc'
>
> .sig Sauer

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