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Message no. 1
From: Dark Elf <VESPOSIT@****.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject: Racism!
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 22:37:15 EDT
The background of the SR rulebook implies strong racial tensions in 2050.
What are everyones views on racial tension in SR campaigns? Should racial
differences/tensions just be used to provide colorful language when PC's and
NPC's converse, or should it be a major concern for both players and NPC's
alike?

---Vin---
The Dark Elf
Message no. 2
From: Smiling Wolf <SLEIBOWITZ@****.HAMPSHIRE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Tue, 5 May 92 20:18:00 EDT
> The background of the SR rulebook implies strong racial tensions in 2050.
> What are everyones views on racial tension in SR campaigns? Should racial
> differences/tensions just be used to provide colorful language when PC's and
> NPC's converse, or should it be a major concern for both players and NPC's
> alike?
>
> ---Vin---
> The Dark Elf

I would say that depends on the tone of the campaign you want to run. IMHO,
it shouldn't be of major importance _all_ the time, unless your characters are
some kind of policlub members. To some of the characters in my campaign, it
means virtually nothing: to others, racism is constantly a concern (the
parents of one of my campaign's characters were killed by Humanis goons).

Your humble servant,
Smiling Wolf

sleibowitz@****.hampshire.edu
words support like bone
Message no. 3
From: s85963@**.GETTYSBURG.EDU
Subject: Racism
Date: Tue, 5 May 92 19:20:01 EDT
I have seen both types of racism in use in different campaigns.
Mostly, though, what I have seen is the casual name calling and disregard
for public space being used, not the real ugly stuff. Once in a while I've
seen a bar or club that won't allow some race in and are willing to enforce
it with whatever means are nessecary, including heavy firepower in once
case (a lmg). I have never seen more than casual ribbing among the PC's in
any party that I have even seen. Most runner's value thier compagnions
skills over thier race. Other than this I haven't seen mutch evidence of
racism in action in Shadowrun. This might also be an indication of the
type of groups that I am in however. Any other opinions out there.

Brian D. Neumann
s85963@*****.bitnet
s85963.cc.gettysburg.edu
Message no. 4
From: steven mancini <mancinis@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Racism
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:42:21 EST
Actually now that you mention i, I have noticed one instance in
which I would I consider racism a good thing. Has anyone else noticed
that the insect modules focus on humans? I just when browsing
through them again and all the targets of infestation are humans.
All the victims you meet, all the NPCs who are already inected,
hell even all the shamans!


Gee.. kinda make me glad I roleplay a dwarf...

Da Minotaur
Message no. 5
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:13:56 -0400
Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs? I have a few that aren't exactly
Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot of
PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
handle racism?

Dust
Message no. 6
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:52:27 -0500
At 08-Sep-97 wrote Dust:

>Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs? I have a few that aren't exactly
>Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot of
>PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
>handle racism?


a lot, nope but it happens.

My character was a very strong elven racist in the beginning, but this had
changed after she turned into an elv and later into an shapeshifter.
was quiet an interresting time, lots of shizophrnics. This can happen
even today to some extend.

As an Gm, let the players be racist if they want to be one, and show them
the consequences of that.

--
Barbie


One lived hour is still living.
Message no. 7
From: George H Metz <wolfstar@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:24:57 EDT
On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:13:56 -0400 Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG> writes:
>Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs? I have a few that aren't exactly
>Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot
of
>PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
>handle racism?

If you mean short of finding a way to goblinize them, put them in a
situation where they're forced to see that the meta races aren't really
all that different from themselves. The Underground in Seattle could come
in useful there. There are a multitude of ways. Make one of their lady
friends an ork shaman with a couple of manipulations to make her look
human, or have someone the character cares about goblinize.

--
Wolfstar, Fearless Leader of Myself(Too bad my follower isn't fearless!)
"WHICH CHEEK?!?!?!?"
-- Me, after getting hit in the butt with a chunk of door during an
explosion.
Message no. 8
From: Court Schuett <cschuett@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:57:37 -0500
Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG> writes:
>Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs? I have a few that aren't exactly
>Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot of
>PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
>handle racism?

We had a guy in our campaign that was a huge trouble maker. He was a
rigger that had a plane. Large, cargo type plane. Well, when he went from
Seattle to anywhere else, he had to fly through Amer-Ind territory. For
some reason, he decided to hate Indians. That caused huge problems flying
through their territory. Eventually what I did, was make him put down for
a 'routine' inspection at a border. They came aboard. After many, many
rude comments they decided maybe there was contraband on-board. They tore
the whole plane apart, top to bottom, including the control panel. Well,
this rigger wasn't exactly the best at fixing things, so he was stuck for a
week putting his plane back together. Unfortunatly, his friend was in t he
back half-dead.
The funniest part was when the stereotypical rigger tried to punch a
physad. It was hilarious. That whole escapade calmed him down enough to
the point of not blatantly insulting them whenever he passed through their
territory, just because he knew they could ruin him.
Although, it did end up the two Indian-haters in the group killed the
Indian-sympathizer. It was ugly. I hate inner-party killings.

-Court
Message no. 9
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:08:40 +0000
> Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs? I have a few that aren't exactly
> Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot of
> PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
> handle racism?

Yes I have ... Both as a GM and a player ... as a player I am the
victim of my team members racists comment about the fact that I am an
Elf .... They don't like elfs, they don't like the Tirs and well that
is sort of it ... they just plain out hate elfs ... Can't figure out
why thou ... I think they do it just so they can bug me about
something since my character can kick there butts :)

As a GM I usually let the players solve there little differences in
the game and they are doing quite a good job ... If they call each
other names and stuff does not matter much to me since they do it in
such a loving and carring way ... "Eat this Trog!" "Oh yeah ... you
think you are going to get a ride away from this place in my van
dandillion eater!" ... and other cute little death treats are common
on every run when drek hits the fan ... I see it more as they are
blowing of some "steam" towards each other when things get bad ...

I would not say they are Humanis members but sometime I think about
trying to reqruit them ... just for the hell of it ...

Well if you wanna shut them up drop them on hostile turf ... if they
don't like trolls just drop them in the Kong Destroyers zone .. and
watch the trolls have fun with them :) and then let another troll
help them out or something ... or just point to the fact that they
have friends contacts family or whatever that are of that certain
race ...

/Stefan


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Message no. 10
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:49:30 -0700
> Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs?

Actually few of the characters I have had or the groups I have been
in will have anything to do with elves...
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 11
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:57:35 -0400
>Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG> writes:
>>Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs? I have a few that aren't exactly
>>Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot of
>>PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
>>handle racism?
>
Have you read Blackjack's "For the Good of the Group?"

I had a group of 5 players once that was comprised Of:

1 Ork that hated Renraku
1 Elven Mage that worked regularly for Renraku
1 Human that hated Elves
1 Humanis Policlubber that Hated everyone that wasn't a mundane human
1 Ork who hated racists.

Needless to say the night went horribly and I refused to ever let them play
characters like that again. I now make it a point to have all the players
talk and build characters together, to avoid future problems. All the
characters HAVE to be willing to work together, or there's problems and
they have no In Character reason for running together.

Bull
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Message no. 12
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:14:18 GMT
Dust writes

> Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs?
No but.

> I have a few that aren't exactly
> Humanis Policlub members but they are pretty prejudiced. I know a lot of
> PCs aren't saints but what kinds of things do any GMs out there do to
> handle racism?
>
Are you trying to protray it? - it is a part of SR, there are some
rules for racial predujices in the GM's section of SR2 which can make
getting information out of an elven contact a real pain if you're an
ugly Troll (without intimidation/ violence of course)
I tend to leave it minimal much of the time but if the group is up to
it racial abuse in SR should be fairly common on the streets, and is
VERY common in the corps they are merely more 'subtle' about it
(well in language used - not actions).

As to getting rid of it, well meet with Johnson of said race, at the
Space needle or similar, Obnoxious PC's will be asked to leave :)
Or have them find the remains of 'x target' complete with all the
policlub slogans and get 'graphic' most players should respond :)
[some care for player sensibilities may be needed depending on group]

Mark
Message no. 13
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:45:00 +0000
> > Do you guys have a lot of racist PCs?
> No but.

> rules for racial predujices in the GM's section of SR2 which can make
> getting information out of an elven contact a real pain if you're an
> ugly Troll (without intimidation/ violence of course)
Few players who choose to be an ugly Troll try much BESIDES
intimidation/violence. :)

Last night I started a run with a mixed bunch...An elf hating all
HMHVV and related critters (he hopes to become an Avenger Toxic Sun
shaman), a Phys Ad who secretly works with Lone Star to
capture/kill runners who cause LS trouble, and another elf/Night One
(elf stats and night One appearance) who thinks he is the
incarnation of Mephistopholes, and is a Moon shaman to boot. (a bit
magic heavy. They also had a Sorcerer with them, but he was boring).

Anyway, The Vamp Hunter decided to kill tamir Grey (he's still alive,
and it's just before Bug City), so he makes a deal with the Humanis
Policlub. He'll kill Gray in such a way as to disgrace his name, to
offset the good image his diaries are getting ghouls. The others
come along for the money and personal reasons. LS has the snitch
(who was just coming along for cash, but reported it anyway) help the
Vamp Hunter, then kill all the runners and bring back the bodies so
LS may use them for political reasons, or so they order at least. Oh
yeah, HP offers a bounty per head....but they need ot bring back the
heads. (HP is planning to step back and decry both the man-eating
ghouls and the evil elves that slaughter them. and desecrate the
bodies.)

They sneak into the Zone, find the Cabani refuge (with adventures on
the way), and start blowing people away. About now I begin (SPOILER
FOR BUG CITY--MINOR) Operation Exterminiation.

Mid run, this looks interesting. Normally I demand at least fairly
Moral characters, but this is an experiment for me....


Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 14
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Racism
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:37:59 GMT
Brett Borger writes

> > rules for racial predujices in the GM's section of SR2 which can make
> > getting information out of an elven contact a real pain if you're an
> > ugly Troll (without intimidation/ violence of course)
> Few players who choose to be an ugly Troll try much BESIDES
> intimidation/violence. :)
no but its an easy example :), set this in a decent club and then
enjoy what the bouncers do :)

> They sneak into the Zone, find the Cabani refuge (with adventures on
> the way), and start blowing people away. About now I begin (SPOILER

This could be messy or very interesting :)

Mark

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