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Message no. 1
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Radio
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:36:47 -0500
Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
missed it for years.

Comments?

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 2
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:50:36 -0700
At 17:36 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
>Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
>missed it for years.
>
>Comments?

So common that there is one built into every wrist phone, trid unit, etc?
Radio's are everywhere nowadays, there's at least 8 in my house (And we
only have 3 people living here). Why would it change in the future? On
the same note, there's no price for clocks, either.. : )
If your player desperately wants to buy a radio, charge him 3/4 of what a
comparable simsense unit costs, and chalk it up to inflation :)

-Adam
Message no. 3
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:53:45 -0500
> So common that there is one built into every wrist phone, trid unit, etc?
> Radio's are everywhere nowadays, there's at least 8 in my house (And we
> only have 3 people living here). Why would it change in the future? On
> the same note, there's no price for clocks, either.. : )
> If your player desperately wants to buy a radio, charge him 3/4 of what a
> comparable simsense unit costs, and chalk it up to inflation :)

Or assume that it's pretty close to today's standards, and use a Sears
catolog or whatever for pricing.
In fact that's a good idea anytime you run.
Have a catalog nearby so you can figure out what to charge for stuff like
this.
A nice restaurant menu comes in handy at times too! :-)
<Especially if they deliver to the gamer's house! :-)>

Slightly OT - IMO one of the best products TSR has produced for the AD$D
game is the Aurora's WHole Realms Catalog - it gives loads of prices for
common, basic "stuff" that you always need, but is never in any
sourcebooks.

I'd like to see something like that for SR - along the lines of NAGtRL, but
more simple product listings.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"I just got to run SR again after a several month hiatus, and am I STOKED!"
Message no. 4
From: mike.paff@*****.COM
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:55:10 -0800
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
> At 17:36 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
> >Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
> >missed it for years.
>
> So common that there is one built into every wrist phone, trid unit, etc?
> Radio's are everywhere nowadays, there's at least 8 in my house (And we
> only have 3 people living here). Why would it change in the future? On
> the same note, there's no price for clocks, either.. : )
>
I think he was asking more about radio transmitter/receivers than simple
radio receivers. In our game we use the micro-transceiver as a basis for
an earphone sytle radio transceiver.

Mike
Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:03:01 -0500
>>Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
>>Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
>>missed it for years.
>
>So common that there is one built into every wrist phone, trid unit, etc?
>Radio's are everywhere nowadays, there's at least 8 in my house (And we
>only have 3 people living here). Why would it change in the future? On
>the same note, there's no price for clocks, either.. : )
>If your player desperately wants to buy a radio, charge him 3/4 of what a
>comparable simsense unit costs, and chalk it up to inflation :)

Sorry, wrong radio. I meant walkie-talkie style (w/encryption goodies, etc)
for communication.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 6
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:23:26 -0700
At 18:03 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Sorry, wrong radio. I meant walkie-talkie style (w/encryption goodies, etc)
>for communication.
>

Somehow I thought you were asking something really simple and obvious :)
Having little knowledge about real walkie talkie's, I'll pass this question
now..

-Adam
Message no. 7
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:31:32 +1000
> Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
> Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
> missed it for years.

Microtransceiver.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 8
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:22:57 +0100
In article <199704032251.RAA16112@***.ncweb.com>, "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes

<Sr everyday prices>
>I'd like to see something like that for SR - along the lines of NAGtRL, but
>more simple product listings.

Somebody did this....

Now where's the article, and what _was_ the URL...
It's out there, honest, it is...
Somewhere, and it's pretty good, I've got it here somewhere...
I know it's here - somewhere...

<dig, rummage, rummage, trip>

<faint echo>
I'll find it Steve, I know it's in here somewhere...

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Message no. 9
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:05:27 +1000
> > Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
> > Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
> > missed it for years.
>
> Microtransceiver.
>

Pretty much..... That's only short range, though. If you're after
anything long range or with ECM/ECCM then it's going to weigh a fair bit
more than a microtransceiver.

Generally, long distance communications in SR can be handled from a
facility, or out-of game by the GM.... there wouldn't be much call for a
big radio. I'd also assume that satellite data feeds would be more
common than radios.

Bleach
Message no. 10
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:32:22 +0100
On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:

> Pretty much..... That's only short range, though. If you're after
> anything long range or with ECM/ECCM then it's going to weigh a fair bit
> more than a microtransceiver.
>
> Generally, long distance communications in SR can be handled from a
> facility, or out-of game by the GM.... there wouldn't be much call for a
> big radio. I'd also assume that satellite data feeds would be more
> common than radios.

If you want encryption and all those other goodies there is the comm
system from FoF, its rather expensive though (but for rating 14 encryption
what can you expect) and its cheaper than the non-cyber version of teh
crpto circuit encryption. (Non cyber version of cyberware gear is half
price I believe).


The Digital Mage aka Grant Erswell - mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it"
-Rush, Losing It
Message no. 11
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:28:41 +0100
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brett Borger wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
> Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
> missed it for years.

Yes, I'd noticed that too and it was realy annoying. So I came up with
something my self:

Head Set Radio
A multi frequency radio which is made up of the headset with ear piece and
boom mike, and a reciever/transmitter which is about the size of a
cigarette packet and is usually clipped to the belt.

Cost: 500 Nuyen x Rating
(A zero rating which will automatically be jammed etc. costs 375 Nuyen)

Availability: 4/12 Hours

Concealability: 4 (when worn), 8 (when in pocket)

The Digital Mage aka Grant Erswell - mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it"
-Rush, Losing It
Message no. 12
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:12:15 EST
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:55:10 -0800 mike.paff@*****.COM writes:
>I think he was asking more about radio transmitter/receivers than simple
>radio receivers. In our game we use the micro-transceiver as a basis
for
>an earphone sytle radio transceiver.

Actually I remember seeing a note for something like that in the Street
Sam Cat. It mentioned that a non-cyber version of some piece of radio
tech (I think it was the Crypto-stuff) would cost something like 75% of
the cyber cost.

It does seem a bit odd that they managed to completely over look
something so usefull as an ear-plug radio in the gear section though.

~Tim(who's group did the same thing as Mike's, and just canabalized
something similar's price)
Message no. 13
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:27:52 -0800
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brett Borger wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
> Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
> missed it for years.

I have a radio set (walkie style) with only an earpiece, and the unit,
which is perhaps 1.5cmx8cmx10cm. The earpiece picks up on the vibrations
that come through the ear or somesuch. Quality sucks tho. I imagine in
50-60 years, they are going to be somewhat better.

Differs a bit from the one offered by the Digital mage, but same end
product.

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"And I thought First Ones were rare." - Ivanova - Babylon 5
I have no sense of decency. That way, all my other senses are enhanced
Message no. 14
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:20:12 PST
>Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:05:27 +1000
>From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD"
<s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
>Subject: Re: Radio
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
>> > Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to
offer a simple radio in Gear?
>> > Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there
is a simple radio, I've
>> > missed it for years.
>>
>> Microtransceiver.
>>
>
>Pretty much..... That's only short range, though.
If you're after
>anything long range or with ECM/ECCM then it's going
to weigh a fair bit
>more than a microtransceiver.
>
>Generally, long distance communications in SR can be
handled from a
>facility, or out-of game by the GM.... there
wouldn't be much call for a
>big radio. I'd also assume that satellite data
feeds would be more
>common than radios.
>
>Bleach

FOF, pg. 58; all the comm gear you could want.

Shawn

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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:57:52 +0100
Shawn Baumgartner said on 22:20/ 4 Apr 97...

> FOF, pg. 58; all the comm gear you could want.

Sure, if you want ultra-secure communications and have the budget of a
megacorp to get it. This stuff is encrypted at rating 14!

OTOH, if you want a typical radio transceiver like those used by truckers
or hobbyists, for example, SRII doesn't tell you *anything* about them.
Since I have no idea of RL prices for this kind of thing I won't make any
guesses at them, except for saying that they should be a hell of a lot
cheaper than 18,500 nuyen for a personal comm unit...

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Message no. 16
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 15:03:12 PST
>Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:57:52 +0100
>From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>

>
>> FOF, pg. 58; all the comm gear you could want.
>
>Sure, if you want ultra-secure communications and
have the budget of a
>megacorp to get it. This stuff is encrypted at
rating 14!
>
>OTOH, if you want a typical radio transceiver like
those used by truckers
>or hobbyists, for example, SRII doesn't tell you
*anything* about them.
>Since I have no idea of RL prices for this kind of
thing I won't make any
>guesses at them, except for saying that they should
be a hell of a lot
>cheaper than 18,500 nuyen for a personal comm
unit...
>

A radio without rock-solid encryption? Forget it. I
won't even use a public telecom without running a bug
scanner, dataline scanner, and encryption system on
it. :) But if you don't care about encryption, just
use a micro-transceiver (conceal 18, only 2500
nuyen).

Shawn
The question isn't are you paranoid, its are you
paranoid enough?


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Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:56:28 +0100
Shawn Baumgartner said on 15:03/ 5 Apr 97...

> A radio without rock-solid encryption? Forget it. I won't even use a
> public telecom without running a bug scanner, dataline scanner, and
> encryption system on it. :)

That's your good right, of course :) but I can see lots of (N)PCs who
_do_ want to use a simple radio for whatever reason.

> But if you don't care about encryption, just use a micro-transceiver
> (conceal 18, only 2500 nuyen).

That still isn't a simple radio that you buy in a normal store...

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Message no. 18
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:42:38 +0100
On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Shawn Baumgartner wrote:

> A radio without rock-solid encryption? Forget it. I
> won't even use a public telecom without running a bug
> scanner, dataline scanner, and encryption system on

But you could speak in code so that in effect teh message is encrypted.
Our team uses call signs e.g. Delta 1, Delta 2 etc, and if communicatiosn
are compromised one of us states "Enact sequence Alpha Blue", whihc then
instructs teh team to tune to a new frequency (indicated by teh colour)
and change call signs: Delta 1 becomea Alpha 3 etc. In our group we've got
a Russian as well so Voice Masks are a must.

The Digital Mage aka Grant Erswell - mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it"
-Rush, Losing It
Message no. 19
From: Brett Borger <SwiftOne@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:30:18 -0500
>> FOF, pg. 58; all the comm gear you could want.
>Sure, if you want ultra-secure communications and have the budget of a
>megacorp to get it. This stuff is encrypted at rating 14!
>
>OTOH, if you want a typical radio transceiver like those used by truckers
>or hobbyists, for example, SRII doesn't tell you *anything* about them.
>Since I have no idea of RL prices for this kind of thing I won't make any
>guesses at them, except for saying that they should be a hell of a lot
>cheaper than 18,500 nuyen for a personal comm unit...

Exactly. And the Microtransceiver (unless I misread the book) is basically
a bug, not a radio system.

I don't want to have to pay for gobs of encryption....that's what funky code
words are for!

-=SwiftOne=-
*Blue Duck to Mother Hen. The Egg Sticks.*
Message no. 20
From: Mark McLaughlin <mmclaugh@*******.EENG.DCU.IE>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:10:36 -0700
Brett Borger wrote:
>
> Has anyone noticed that SRII doesn't seem to offer a simple radio in Gear?
> Phones, Yes. Cyber radios, yes. But if there is a simple radio, I've
> missed it for years.
>
> Comments?
>

They also dont mention rubber bands and rope which come in extremely
handy from time to time but then again not everything can be mentioned
in the gear section. A radio in SR would undoubtedly be less relied on
than at present with tridio an` all that. It is probably taken for
granted that the old tech is cheap and readily available and most people
have them anyway...

Hope I helped,
Mark McLaughlin merlin@********.dcu.ie
Message no. 21
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:14:57 +0100
Mark McLaughlin said on 14:10/ 7 Apr 97...

> They also dont mention rubber bands and rope which come in extremely
> handy from time to time but then again not everything can be mentioned
> in the gear section. A radio in SR would undoubtedly be less relied on
> than at present with tridio an` all that. It is probably taken for
> granted that the old tech is cheap and readily available and most people
> have them anyway...

It looked he was asking about radios that you can use to broadcast with,
instead of only to receive things like music and news stations. Such a
radio would be handy to have (even without any encryption systems in it)
but it's not so common that everybody knows the price.

For rubber bands, it's easy. If a player specifically wants to buy some,
you charge one or two nuyen for a box of a few hundred and be done with
it. A two-way radio is something that's actually useful and whose
real-world price you'd have to get from specialized catalogs, however.

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Message no. 22
From: Brett Borger <SwiftOne@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:01:07 -0400
>For rubber bands, it's easy. If a player specifically wants to buy some,
>you charge one or two nuyen for a box of a few hundred and be done with
>it. A two-way radio is something that's actually useful and whose
>real-world price you'd have to get from specialized catalogs, however.

For household items like rubber bands I base if off lifestyle. If his
lifestyle is high enough, I count it towards misc. purchases.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 23
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Radio
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:26:01 +0100
Brett Borger said on 11:01/ 8 Apr 97...

> For household items like rubber bands I base if off lifestyle. If his
> lifestyle is high enough, I count it towards misc. purchases.

So would I, if a character is in his or her house and says "I take a
rubber band and <whatever>." OTOH, if the player specifically says his
character will _buy_ rubber bands, I'd charge them a few nuyen for them...
*GM grin*

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