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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (NightLife)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Wed Feb 20 19:20:01 2002
A buddy of mine used to work for Ral Partha he and some of the people from
the old shop have begun to rerelease the old SR mini's again. Check out
http://www.thelaziestdragon.com/index.htm
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Wed Feb 20 20:20:06 2002
Thanks for the update! I've been looking for Ral Partha SR minis for a while
now!
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jed Mitten)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Wed Feb 20 20:30:01 2002
> Thanks for the update! I've been looking for Ral Partha SR minis for a
while
> now!

I don't see any pics of the SF minis though! What's up with that?!

Jed
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Wed Feb 20 20:30:07 2002
Ok perhaps I'll be blaspheming by saying this but umm....where the heck
do I find out what these things look like before I waste hard earned
money on them??????
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Wed Feb 20 20:35:01 2002
In a message dated 2/20/2002 8:37:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cyberpir8@*******.com writes:

> I don't see any pics of the SF minis though! What's up with that?!

Already found 'em. You gotta click on the shop link and it's under SciFi.
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jed Mitten)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Wed Feb 20 21:15:02 2002
> Already found 'em. You gotta click on the shop link and it's under SciFi.

No, I know where I can go to buy and see the description of the minis, but
there are no images of what the Sci-Fi minis look like.

Jed
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 05:05:28 2002
According to Derek Hyde, on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> Ok perhaps I'll be blaspheming by saying this but umm....where the heck
> do I find out what these things look like before I waste hard earned
> money on them??????

Have you tried http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/shadowrun/ralpartha.html ?

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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 12:10:02 2002
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:38:16 EST
KiltedJamesman@***.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2002 8:37:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> cyberpir8@*******.com writes:
>
> > I don't see any pics of the SF minis though! What's up with that?!
>
> Already found 'em. You gotta click on the shop link and it's under
> SciFi.
>

Too bad they don't have the full line. I need another Lord Torgo.
--Anders
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Marc Renouf)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 14:55:01 2002
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, NightLife wrote:

> A buddy of mine used to work for Ral Partha he and some of the people from
> the old shop have begun to rerelease the old SR mini's again. Check out
> http://www.thelaziestdragon.com/index.htm

Screw their minis. Their minis sucked. I want their paints.

Marc Renouf (ShadowRN GridSec - "Bad Cop" Division)

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 15:30:02 2002
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:58:05 -0500 (EST)
Marc Renouf <renouf@********.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, NightLife wrote:
>
> > A buddy of mine used to work for Ral Partha he and some of the
> people from
> > the old shop have begun to rerelease the old SR mini's again. Check
> out
> > http://www.thelaziestdragon.com/index.htm
>
> Screw their minis. Their minis sucked. I want their paints.
>
> Marc Renouf (ShadowRN GridSec - "Bad Cop" Division)

According to my distributor, some colors of partha paints will be
available in the spring, but the rumored price is $3.00 a bottle.
I'll provide updates when I hear of the paint being shipped.

But what other SR figs are there?

--Anders
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 15:35:01 2002
> According to my distributor, some colors of partha paints will be
> available in the spring, but the rumored price is $3.00 a bottle.
> I'll provide updates when I hear of the paint being shipped.

Yikes! That price's worse than GW paints!
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Marc Renouf)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 16:20:08 2002
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Chris Beilby wrote:

> Yikes! That price's worse than GW paints!

Yeah, but it's worth every penny. GW paints are okay, but their
range of colors really is limited and their "natural" colors are
especially so. Ral Parth had like 20 different shades of brown, whereas
GW has 3. Same with green.

Marc
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Thu Feb 21 16:30:02 2002
From: "Anders Swenson" <anders@**********.com>
<Snip>
> But what other SR figs are there?

Grenadier made the first batch of SR minis. They had all the archtypes from
the SR1 book, plus some extra. The quality was... questionable IMO.

If anybody are looking for these minis I have lots of them for trade or
sale.

Lars
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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 02:10:02 2002
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) Marc Renouf
<renouf@********.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> Screw their minis. Their minis sucked. I want their
> paints.

Never tried them. I've heard good things about Vallejo Paints. I use
mainly Craft (50 cents to a dollar for a huge ass bottle!) and Model
Master paints. :) They rock, though maybe less so if you drybush. (If you
don't the craft paints give a /smooth/ coat.)

As for their minis ... I want their Erinye mini ...

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Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 05:40:23 2002
According to Anders Swenson, on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> But what other SR figs are there?

There are some Grenadier ones, but 10+ years after production ceased, you
have to be very lucky to find any. The only ones I ever saw were in a store
in Denver, in 1999, so I immediately bought them. (This was set #1302
Wendigos, which means there must also be a #1301 and possibly a #1300, in
addition to the two ten-figure sets advertized in some old SR books.)

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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 05:40:48 2002
According to Marc Renouf, on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> Yeah, but it's worth every penny. GW paints are okay, but their
> range of colors really is limited and their "natural" colors are
> especially so. Ral Parth had like 20 different shades of brown, whereas
> GW has 3. Same with green.

Haven't you heard of the concept of mixing paints? :)

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Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 05:41:15 2002
According to dghost@****.com, on Fri, 22 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> Never tried them. I've heard good things about Vallejo Paints.

Believe what you were told. Though I haven't used them much -- I own a total
of three bottles -- these are some of the best acrylics I've come across for
brush-painting. (I haven't tried them in an airbrush, though.)

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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 11:25:01 2002
From: "Gurth" <Gurth@******.nl>
> According to Anders Swenson, on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 the word on the street
> was...
>
> > But what other SR figs are there?
>
> There are some Grenadier ones, but 10+ years after production ceased, you
> have to be very lucky to find any. The only ones I ever saw were in a
> store in Denver, in 1999, so I immediately bought them. (This was set
#1302
> Wendigos, which means there must also be a #1301 and possibly a #1300, in
> addition to the two ten-figure sets advertized in some old SR books.)

Many of the miniatures are based on drawings in the books of SR 1st edition,
but positioning of the minis are often changed, like some detalis are
changed (weapons, some clothes, hairstyle).

These are the ones I have, everything in brackets are added by me, and not
part of the official description:

Blister packs:
#1301 Archtypes (female rocker, male street shaman, female amerindian)
#1303 Metahuman gang (male ork, male troll)
#1304 Eyekiller
#1305 Lone Star cops (3 males)
#1306 Barhests (2) w/ handler (human male)
#1307 Street gang (male elf, 2 male humans)
#1308 Harpies (3)
#1309 Elf biker on Rapier
#1310 Ork biker on Scorpion
#1311 Lone Star motrocycle cop (on Rapier)
#1312 (Human) Street samurai on Scorpion

Boxed sets:
#9701 Shadowrunners (street smaurai, street mage, burned out mage, shaman,
merc, rigger, former wage mage, ork mercenary (all from SR1) and female
street smaurai)
#9702 The corporate sector (dwarven security guard, mr. Johnson, company man
(former company man from SR1), cromed security guard, security guard, wage
mage, elven secirity guard, secirity guard w/pistol, troll security guard,
ork security guard)
#9703 Eastern dragon (and japanes male turist)
#9704 Feathered serpent (and female human turist)
#9705 Western dragon (and human male turist)
#9706 DMZ (Military officer, combat mage, dwarf merc, elven mage, body guard
(all from Sprawl Sites), elf street samurai, crimson crush gang (3 male
orks, 1 male troll))

The bigger miniatures are good (the dragons and eyekiller), but eventhough
the rest have lots of deatils, there are always something that just makes
you think "this mini dosn't look right".

For example the trolls are way to small. The size of the heads doan't always
look right in comparison with their bodies. Positioning of some of the minis
look wierd, or they lean in some wrong direction.

I'll try to do a scan of some of the minis and put them up on a page for you
alle to droll over, but please don't wait up for this to happen. It won't
happen until after the weekend.

Lars
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Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Marc Renouf)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 13:25:01 2002
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Gurth wrote:

> Haven't you heard of the concept of mixing paints? :)

:P Yes, I mix paints like a fiend, but when the palette is
severely limited, it makes getting the *perfect* color much more
difficult.

Marc

P.S. - if you want to see a few of my finished products, check out my mini
gallery at www-personal.umich.edu/~jormung/40K/gallery.html
Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Robert Blackberg)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 14:05:00 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Renouf" <renouf@********.com>
> P.S. - if you want to see a few of my finished products, check out
my mini
> gallery at www-personal.umich.edu/~jormung/40K/gallery.html

Damn Marc! I just have to say, those are some sweet lookin'
miniatures. Now I want to dig out my paints and start working on
mine again.

But one question, what are you doing two-timing on Shadowrun with
WH40K? We want to see you using your talents on Deckers, Riggers,
Samurai, and Mages. Now get to work!

Robert (no cool tagline, just a plain line______________)
Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 14:25:01 2002
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:28:40 +0100
"Lars Wagner Hansen" <l-hansen@*****.tele.dk> wrote:
> From: "Gurth" <Gurth@******.nl>
> > According to Anders Swenson, on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 the word on the
> street
> > was...
> >
> > > But what other SR figs are there?
> >
> > There are some Grenadier ones, but 10+ years after production
> ceased, you
> > have to be very lucky to find any. The only ones I ever saw were in
> a
> > store in Denver, in 1999, so I immediately bought them. (This was
> set
> #1302
> > Wendigos, which means there must also be a #1301 and possibly a
> #1300, in
> > addition to the two ten-figure sets advertized in some old SR
> books.)
>
> Many of the miniatures are based on drawings in the books of SR 1st
> edition,
> but positioning of the minis are often changed, like some detalis are
> changed (weapons, some clothes, hairstyle).
>
> These are the ones I have, everything in brackets are added by me,
> and not
> part of the official description:
>
> Blister packs:
> #1301 Archtypes (female rocker, male street shaman, female
> amerindian)
> #1303 Metahuman gang (male ork, male troll)
> #1304 Eyekiller
> #1305 Lone Star cops (3 males)
> #1306 Barhests (2) w/ handler (human male)
> #1307 Street gang (male elf, 2 male humans)
> #1308 Harpies (3)
> #1309 Elf biker on Rapier
> #1310 Ork biker on Scorpion
> #1311 Lone Star motrocycle cop (on Rapier)
> #1312 (Human) Street samurai on Scorpion
>
> Boxed sets:
> #9701 Shadowrunners (street smaurai, street mage, burned out mage,
> shaman,
> merc, rigger, former wage mage, ork mercenary (all from SR1) and
> female
> street smaurai)
> #9702 The corporate sector (dwarven security guard, mr. Johnson,
> company man
> (former company man from SR1), cromed security guard, security guard,
> wage
> mage, elven secirity guard, secirity guard w/pistol, troll security
> guard,
> ork security guard)
> #9703 Eastern dragon (and japanes male turist)
> #9704 Feathered serpent (and female human turist)
> #9705 Western dragon (and human male turist)
> #9706 DMZ (Military officer, combat mage, dwarf merc, elven mage,
> body guard
> (all from Sprawl Sites), elf street samurai, crimson crush gang (3
> male
> orks, 1 male troll))
>
> The bigger miniatures are good (the dragons and eyekiller), but
> eventhough
> the rest have lots of deatils, there are always something that just
> makes
> you think "this mini dosn't look right".
>
> For example the trolls are way to small. The size of the heads doan't
> always
> look right in comparison with their bodies. Positioning of some of
> the minis
> look wierd, or they lean in some wrong direction.
>
> I'll try to do a scan of some of the minis and put them up on a page
> for you
> alle to droll over, but please don't wait up for this to happen. It
> won't
> happen until after the weekend.
>
> Lars

I have a pretty good idea of what the figs look like, what I want to
figure out is trading stuff, what do you want for the figs, and how do
we ship them?
--Anders
Message no. 22
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Marc Renouf)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Fri Feb 22 15:05:01 2002
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Robert Blackberg wrote:

> Damn Marc! I just have to say, those are some sweet lookin'
> miniatures. Now I want to dig out my paints and start working on
> mine again.

Actually, they look better in real life. Some of them didn't
photograph too well, and I don't have pictures of some of my more recent
work (like my heavily converted Tallarn standard bearer). I need to
update my site.

> But one question, what are you doing two-timing on Shadowrun with
> WH40K? We want to see you using your talents on Deckers, Riggers,
> Samurai, and Mages. Now get to work!

<chuckle> I paint WH40K because I *play* WH40K. And I paint for
other people who *also* play WH40K. But truth be told, I just like GW's
miniatures better. I know, blasphemy. People bash on Citadel all the
time for having "cartoony" minitaures whose proportions are all wrong, but
the fact remains that when 25-28 mm miniatures have the "correct"
proportions, they just look stupid. They're all gangly. And Citadel has
hands down some of the best detail sculptors in the business. Reaper is
close, but Citadel minis are usually *so* detailed that they're really
easy to dig into and get stoked about. Even their plastics are starting
to get pretty impressive.

Marc
Message no. 23
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Sat Feb 23 01:10:01 2002
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:41:09 +0100 Gurth <Gurth@******.nl> writes:
> According to dghost@****.com, on Fri, 22 Feb 2002 the word on the
> street was...
> > Never tried them. I've heard good things about Vallejo Paints.

> Believe what you were told. Though I haven't used them much -- I own
> a total
> of three bottles -- these are some of the best acrylics I've come
> across for
> brush-painting. (I haven't tried them in an airbrush, though.)

When I drybrush, I tend to get a grainy transition, I don't know if it's
because of the size of the paint particles or because I need to use more
colors in the transition of the shading/highlighting. I want to try
Vallejo Paints to see if their finer particles help the minis look
better. :)

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Message no. 24
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Sat Feb 23 07:05:08 2002
According to dghost@****.com, on Sat, 23 Feb 2002 the word on the street was...

> When I drybrush, I tend to get a grainy transition, I don't know if it's
> because of the size of the paint particles or because I need to use more
> colors in the transition of the shading/highlighting.

The best way to avoid that it to paint the highlights instead of drybrush
them. (That said, I can't be bothered to do that myself on a 25 mm figure,
either :) But if you use crafts paints, then I'd guess it's probably the
particle size that's causing it. Model paints should have this problem a lot
less, I'd think.

> I want to try Vallejo Paints to see if their finer particles help the minis
> look better. :)

So buy a few bottles :)

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Message no. 25
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Ral Partha Lives!!!!!
Date: Sat Feb 23 10:05:10 2002
> But what other SR figs are there?

It seems like my list wasn't even close. Grenadier actually made 23 blister
packs, in addition to the 6 boxed sets. A complete list can be found at
http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/lmec/fgm_gmsh.htm

There is also a list of the Ral Partha miniatures at
http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/lmec/fgm_rpsh.htm but the list isn't complete
Gurth has a more complete list at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/shadowrun/miniatures.html

Lars

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