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Message no. 1
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:00:30 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: <SyphonAC@***.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men


> > Yes it was. Damned if I can think of the actor's name right now but it
> > will...yes! Ray Park. Anyway, yep, that was Darth Maul. (He get cut in
half
> > in this movie too?!? LoL!)
>
> And I seem to remeber reading somewhere he was the face of the Headless
> Horseman in "Sleepy Hollow" too...all thirty seconds you saw the face
anyways.

You are correct, he was indeed "the Headless Horseman" in the most recent
version of Sleepy Hollow to be released. If anyone has the DVD for that,
you'll find a BUNCH of neat things that was done in order to pull of the
Horseman.

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Message no. 2
From: Ahrain Ahrain-Drigar@**********.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:38:28 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: NeoJudas <neojudas@******************.com>
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <SyphonAC@***.com>
> Subject: Re: [OT] X-Men
>
>
<SNIP>.
>
> You are correct, he was indeed "the Headless Horseman" in the most recent
> version of Sleepy Hollow to be released. If anyone has the DVD for that,
> you'll find a BUNCH of neat things that was done in order to pull of the
> Horseman.

Wait a minute. I thought the Horseman was played by Christopher Walken. Or
did they do that digitizing thing again?

Ahrain


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> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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>
>
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>
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Message no. 3
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:14:37 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ahrain" <Ahrain-Drigar@**********.com>
> Wait a minute. I thought the Horseman was played by Christopher Walken.
Or
> did they do that digitizing thing again?

No you are partially right. The horeseman was played by Christopher
Walken,...but the _headless_ horseman, in the scenes where he is actually
headless, were played by Ray Park,...does that about sum it up guys?

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 4
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:19:56 -0400
>No you are partially right. The horeseman was played by Christopher
>Walken,...but the _headless_ horseman, in the scenes where he is actually
>headless, were played by Ray Park,...does that about sum it up guys?
>
>DV8
>
>"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
>- John Milton, Paradise Lost
>
>
Ahhh...the ol' David Prowse, James Earl Jones, Sebastian Shaw all = Darth
Vader thing, huh? Damn...there's a lot of Star Wars in that movie!
(including Christopher Lee now that he's been officially cast in Episode
II...though they won't say who he's supposed to be portraying. Ever
secretive.)
Message no. 5
From: BillT@*********.com BillT@*********.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:31:28 -0700
On 7/18/00, DV8 wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ahrain" <Ahrain-Drigar@**********.com>
> > Wait a minute. I thought the Horseman was played by Christopher Walken.
> > Or did they do that digitizing thing again?
>
>No you are partially right. The horeseman was played by Christopher
>Walken,...but the _headless_ horseman, in the scenes where he is actually
>headless, were played by Ray Park,...does that about sum it up guys?
>
>DV8
>

When you watch the movie again (and you know you will) watch the body
language of the "headless" horseman. Park actually throws in some
tell-tale "Chris Walken" moves, specifically in the shoulders. The
more I see of this guy the more impressed I am. Now if they would
only give him some lines...
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Message no. 6
From: Ahrain Ahrain-Drigar@**********.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:27:53 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillT@*********.com>
Subject: Re: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)


> When you watch the movie again (and you know you will) watch the body
> language of the "headless" horseman. Park actually throws in some
> tell-tale "Chris Walken" moves, specifically in the shoulders. The
> more I see of this guy the more impressed I am. Now if they would
> only give him some lines...

More like if he could act said lines. : ) He stunk in MK:2 and Episode 1
(as an actor NOT Martial Artist/Acrobat) IMHO.

BTW Rand, yes I did love SW:1 but he could have tried acting a little better
with what few lines he had.

Ahrain
Message no. 7
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:17:59 -0500
From: Ahrain
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:28 PM

> > The more I see of this guy the more impressed I am. Now if they
> > would only give him some lines...
>
> More like if he could act said lines. : ) He stunk in MK:2 and
> Episode 1 (as an actor NOT Martial Artist/Acrobat) IMHO.

I know he was dubbed in PHANTOM MENACE, but not because he was a bad actor
(what little screen time he had in X-MEN, for instance, was quite
enjoyable)...he was dubbed because it's virtually impossible for him to
sound menacing.

I don't know about MK:2, seeing as how I avoided that movie as if my very
soul depended upon missing it. Still trying to figure out how a movie as
bad as the first one could spawn a sequel....

--
Patrick E. Goodman
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Message no. 8
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:07:22 -0400
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:17:59 -0500 "Patrick Goodman"
<pgoodman13@************.com> writes:
>
> I don't know about MK:2, seeing as how I avoided that movie as if my
very
> soul depended upon missing it. Still trying to figure out how a movie
as
> bad as the first one could spawn a sequel....
>
Repeat after me: "Jet Li."

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Message no. 9
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
<snipt!(TM)>
> More like if he could act said lines. : ) He stunk
in MK:2 and Episode 1 (as an actor NOT Martial
Artist/Acrobat) IMHO.

Well, MK:2 stunk as a whole. :)

Btw, who was he in it?

> BTW Rand, yes I did love SW:1 but he could have
tried acting a little better with what few lines he
had.
> Ahrain

Ummm...why you talking to me? Oh, is this about the
"Star Wars fan" thing? Well, I'm not a MINDLESS Star
Wars fan. To be honest, I was disappointed by Episode
1 - it was, at best, average.

As for Park/Maul - I thought I heard somewhere that
the few lines Maul had WEREN'T spoke by Park.

And I think the reason for that could have something
to do with why he doesn't get speaking parts. IIRC
from watching the making of SW: Episode 1, he had this
funny, reedy little voice (with an English accent, no
less). Of course, I could be confusing him with
someone else, but if I'm not, I understand why you
wouldn't want him speaking in flicks (especially when
playing the big, bad guy).

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Message no. 10
From: Michael Broadwater neon@*******.edu
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:49:46 -0500
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com] On Behalf Of Ahrain

<snip>

> More like if he could act said lines. : ) He stunk in MK:2 and Episode 1
> (as an actor NOT Martial Artist/Acrobat) IMHO.

Ray Park didn't act in MK:2. He was simply the body double for the actor
who played Raiden. James Remar did the actual bad acting.

Mike Broadwater
Message no. 11
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:27:43 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunter" <griffinhq@****.com>
> Repeat after me: "Jet Li."

Jet Li is my god. Lee Ling Kit, his real name, has the best control of his
body and I don't care whatever you guys say; he beats Jackie Chan and Bruce
Lee in the Kung Fu department. I've been practicing Kung Fu for 12 years
just because of this guy.

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 12
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:28:50 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Broadwater" <neon@*******.edu>
> Ray Park didn't act in MK:2. He was simply the body double for the actor
> who played Raiden. James Remar did the actual bad acting.

He absolutely rocked in "The Warriors", though (James Remar).

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 13
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:59:33 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)



>And I think the reason for that could have something
>to do with why he doesn't get speaking parts. IIRC
>from watching the making of SW: Episode 1, he had this
>funny, reedy little voice (with an English accent, no
>less). Of course, I could be confusing him with
>someone else, but if I'm not, I understand why you
>wouldn't want him speaking in flicks (especially when
>playing the big, bad guy).
>
The lines he had in X-men, he looked and sounded a lot like Chico Marx to
me.
Message no. 14
From: Ahrain Ahrain-Drigar@**********.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:33:58 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: DV8 <dv8@***.nl>
Subject: Re: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Broadwater" <neon@*******.edu>
> > Ray Park didn't act in MK:2. He was simply the body double for the
actor
> > who played Raiden. James Remar did the actual bad acting.
>
> He absolutely rocked in "The Warriors", though (James Remar).
>

Now that's a blast from the past. If it's the same "Warriors" I'm thinking
of. Low budget 70's "Ganger" flick. Not bad really, considering
everything.

I must have been misinformed. I have seen MK:2 twice (once on purpose) and
I could have sworn I saw his name for Sub Zero (unmasked) but I probably am
wrong.

Ahrain
Message no. 15
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Michael Broadwater" <neon@*******.edu>
> > Ray Park didn't act in MK:2. He was simply the
body double for the actor who played Raiden. James
Remar did the actual bad acting.

Hey, it's hard to act well when you're dealing with a
bad script. It wasn't JUST Remar's (and the other
actors') faults. :)

> He absolutely rocked in "The Warriors", though
(James Remar).
> DV8

"The Warriors"?

That isn't that old gang movie is it?

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Message no. 16
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:43:40 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com>
> > He absolutely rocked in "The Warriors", though
> (James Remar).
> > DV8
>
> "The Warriors"?
>
> That isn't that old gang movie is it?

Yup,...one and the same. I loved it!

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 17
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:09:19 -0400
>body and I don't care whatever you guys say; he beats Jackie Chan and Bruce
>Lee in the Kung Fu department. I've been practicing Kung Fu for 12 years


I thought Bruce Lee was Jeet Kwan Do? (not sure of the words but I know the
translation was Way of the Flying Fist or something along those lines...)
Which that was supposed to be the new and improved faster version of Kung
Fu... Course, ::laughs:: unfortunately Bruce Lee isn't around to defend
himself on this one so I suppose we'll never truly know.
Message no. 18
From: DV8 dv8@***.nl
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:16:08 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Mick" <sinabian@********.net>
> I thought Bruce Lee was Jeet Kwan Do? (not sure of the words but I know
the
> translation was Way of the Flying Fist or something along those lines...)
> Which that was supposed to be the new and improved faster version of Kung
> Fu... Course, ::laughs:: unfortunately Bruce Lee isn't around to defend
> himself on this one so I suppose we'll never truly know.

You're partially right. Kung Fu means "mastery", or rather
"mastership". So
technically you could _be_ kung fu in Tennis. However, it is the nickname
given to Wu Shu, the collective name given to all chinese martial arts.
Bruce started out with Wing Chun (a southern Wu Shu style) and later
developed Jeet Kune Do (way of the intercepting fist), which is recognized
by chinese as a chinese martial art, therefor it is Wu Shu, therefor it is
also Kung Fu.

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 19
From: James Mick sinabian@********.net
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:46:39 -0400
>You're partially right. Kung Fu means "mastery", or rather
"mastership". So
>technically you could _be_ kung fu in Tennis. However, it is the nickname
>given to Wu Shu, the collective name given to all chinese martial arts.
>Bruce started out with Wing Chun (a southern Wu Shu style) and later
>developed Jeet Kune Do (way of the intercepting fist), which is recognized
>by chinese as a chinese martial art, therefor it is Wu Shu, therefor it is
>also Kung Fu.
>


This all reminds me...I was looking through Cannon Companion and was
thinking of making a character and I wanted to give him Jeet Kune Do, but I
didn't see it in the book. Was Kung Fu in there? I don't remember because I
wasn't specifically looking for it... If so/not, how hard would it be to
design Jeet for the SR system? (What can I say I love Bruce Lee and I think
it would be kewl as shit to have a phys ad with his fighting style...)
Message no. 20
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: Ray Park (Re: [OT] X-Men)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:49:57 -0500
From: James Mick
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:47 AM

> This all reminds me...I was looking through Cannon Companion and was
> thinking of making a character and I wanted to give him Jeet Kune Do,
> but I didn't see it in the book. Was Kung Fu in there?

Yes; kung fu is the catch-all (from a *game mechanics* point of view) that
encompasses hwarang-do, wu shu, and presumably jeet kune do.

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