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Message no. 1
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:17 +0200
Do razor nails count as edged weapons if you were to treat them with
Dikote™?

Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
Level increase?

Thanks

- + - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za> -

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Message no. 2
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:54:29 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce <gyro@********.co.za>
To: Shadowrun Discussion <SHADOWRN@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 2:32 AM
Subject: Razor Nails


>Do razor nails count as edged weapons if you were to treat them with
>Dikote™?
>
>Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
>Level increase?


Yes, but man are they going to hurt if they're retractable. Like the
world's most annoying sliver under the fingernails, just digging, and
digging, and making you squirm because you can't get rid of that
annoying little thing no matter how hard you chew and bite...oh, wait
a minute. It's not in the rulebook. Never mind, you can dikote
retractable razors without any problem, but can you dikote improved
retractable hand razors?

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Message no. 3
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:24:37 -0400
> >Do razor nails count as edged weapons if you were to treat them with
> >DikoteT?
> >
> >Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
> >Level increase?


> Yes, but man are they going to hurt if they're retractable. Like the
> world's most annoying sliver under the fingernails, just digging, and
> digging, and making you squirm because you can't get rid of that
> annoying little thing no matter how hard you chew and bite...oh, wait
> a minute. It's not in the rulebook. Never mind, you can dikote
> retractable razors without any problem, but can you dikote improved
> retractable hand razors?

I was under the impression (no, I don't remember why) that hand razors were
a composite carbon fiber, in which case it probably couldn't withstand the
heat of the plasma carbon used to Dikote.

But if not, of course. (Although the strength of the connection to the
fingertip required to allow it to actually cut through actual
armor--vehicle--would have to be substantial.)

And don't forget about Dikoted flechettes!
Message no. 4
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:20:51 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: abortion_engine <abortion_engine@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 01 September 1999 09:29
Subject: Re: Razor Nails


>> >Do razor nails count as edged weapons if you were to treat them
with
>> >DikoteT?
>> >
>> >Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
>> >Level increase?
>
>
>> Yes, but man are they going to hurt if they're retractable. Like
the
>> world's most annoying sliver under the fingernails, just digging,
and
>> digging, and making you squirm because you can't get rid of that
>> annoying little thing no matter how hard you chew and bite...oh,
wait
>> a minute. It's not in the rulebook. Never mind, you can dikote
>> retractable razors without any problem, but can you dikote improved
>> retractable hand razors?

I didnt receive this reply, only got it as part of abortion_engine's
reply.
Anyway, your comments are less that useful. Any OPINION on the damage
code of the nails? I realise you may have commented but I didnt get
the post.


>I was under the impression (no, I don't remember why) that hand
razors were
>a composite carbon fiber, in which case it probably couldn't
withstand the
>heat of the plasma carbon used to Dikote.

You're right about the composite carbon goodies. I dunno about its
heat resistance properties
but they had better be pretty good considering how damn hard the suff
is suppossed to be.

Anyhow, if you use straight ret nails (two sets dikoted) my face
character with STR 4 is
gonna have a 6M damage code with these suckers. Sound unbalanced?

- + - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za> -

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Message no. 5
From: Oliver McDonald oliver@*********.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:17 +0200, Bruce wrote:

>Do razor nails count as edged weapons if you were to treat them with
>Dikote ?
>
>Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
>Level increase?

Yes.

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Message no. 6
From: Oliver McDonald oliver@*********.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:54:29 -0400, Angelkiller 404 wrote:

>Yes, but man are they going to hurt if they're retractable. Like the
>world's most annoying sliver under the fingernails, just digging, and
>digging, and making you squirm because you can't get rid of that
>annoying little thing no matter how hard you chew and bite...oh, wait
>a minute. It's not in the rulebook. Never mind, you can dikote
>retractable razors without any problem, but can you dikote improved
>retractable hand razors?

Yes.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Oliver McDonald - oliver@*********.com
http://www.spydernet.com/oliver/
-----------------------------------------------------------
Space. The Final Frontier. Let's not close it down.
Brought to you via CyberSpace, the recursive frontier.

"that is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may
die."
-H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu."

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Message no. 7
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:45:04 EDT
In a message dated 9/1/1999 1:31:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
gyro@********.co.za writes:

> Do razor nails count as edged weapons if you were to treat them with
> Dikote™?

No, they are still under Cyber-Implant Weaponry ... but I could see them
defaulting to Edged Weapons.

> Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
> Level increase?

I *believe* they do, but don't quote me.

-K
Message no. 8
From: Ulrich Haupt sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:57:03 +0200
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:

> > Thus, do dikoted nails get the +1 Power increase or the +1 Damage
> > Level increase?
>
> I *believe* they do, but don't quote me.
>
> -K

I don't understand your answer 'Yes' to a option 1 or option
2 question, K, but maybe I just didn't hear the shot (means
I didn't get what you were talking about but I'm wrong and
your answer is correct).

Now to my view concerning the question above.
Being strict in the rules Razor Nails are no bullets and
don't come from guns you apply the edge weapon rule to
dikoted razors. But the way I see (and would handle) it,
dikoted objects are just harder which makes better
penetration for projectiles and less momentum loss for edged
weapons. A sword for example cuts through armor and bones
like butter without bending or getting dull. Razor Nails are
just short blades which IMHO don't allow much damage per se.
They cut through kevlar more easily because they are
effectivly sharper than the standard version but they don't
do more damage because they don't tear that deep into the
flesh to do serious damage (except from cutting vein). More
important is a high skill to hit the eyes, sinews or veins.
Thus in my campaign I'd rule that you get the +1 power
increase rather than the +1 damage level increse.

All my HO

Sandman
Message no. 9
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:12:07 EDT
In a message dated 9/2/1999 10:13:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de writes:

> I don't understand your answer 'Yes' to a option 1 or option
> 2 question, K, but maybe I just didn't hear the shot (means
> I didn't get what you were talking about but I'm wrong and
> your answer is correct).

I was saying that "yes, the increase is to BOTH attributes".

> Now to my view concerning the question above.
> Being strict in the rules Razor Nails are no bullets and
> don't come from guns you apply the edge weapon rule to
> dikoted razors. But the way I see (and would handle) it,
> dikoted objects are just harder which makes better
> penetration for projectiles and less momentum loss for edged
> weapons. A sword for example cuts through armor and bones
> like butter without bending or getting dull. Razor Nails are
> just short blades which IMHO don't allow much damage per se.
> They cut through kevlar more easily because they are
> effectivly sharper than the standard version but they don't
> do more damage because they don't tear that deep into the
> flesh to do serious damage (except from cutting vein). More
> important is a high skill to hit the eyes, sinews or veins.
> Thus in my campaign I'd rule that you get the +1 power
> increase rather than the +1 damage level increse.

The way I've always envisioned the process is that the "layering" of Dikote'
actually puts a very thin, yet "Diamond Hard" coating of material on the item
itself. Where there are edges (intersecting planes of form/shape), the new
edge of the dikote is normally an improvement over the given boundary due to
molecular structure of coincidence (the point where two planes meet has a
given rigidity/structure integrity...diamonds is better than say Steels).

Its' one of those things I've learned not to entirely argue with or question
*too* deeply...

-K (...now if I could just ease up on Ruthenium)
Message no. 10
From: Mad Hamish h_laws@**********.utas.edu.au
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:57:22 +1000
At 10:20 1/09/99 +0200, Bruce wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: abortion_engine <abortion_engine@*******.com>
>To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
>Date: 01 September 1999 09:29
>Subject: Re: Razor Nails
>
>>I was under the impression (no, I don't remember why) that hand
>razors were
>>a composite carbon fiber, in which case it probably couldn't
>withstand the
>>heat of the plasma carbon used to Dikote.
>
>You're right about the composite carbon goodies. I dunno about its
>heat resistance properties

If it's a carbon composite it would probably not work. Dikote is artificial
diamond coating which is carbon.

I'd imagine that the nails'd be stuffed by the heat.

>but they had better be pretty good considering how damn hard the suff
>is suppossed to be.
>


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Message no. 11
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:47:35 -0400
Mad Hamish wrote:

> At 10:20 1/09/99 +0200, Bruce wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: abortion_engine <abortion_engine@*******.com>
> >To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
> >Date: 01 September 1999 09:29
> >Subject: Re: Razor Nails
> >
> >>I was under the impression (no, I don't remember why) that hand
> >razors were
> >>a composite carbon fiber, in which case it probably couldn't
> >withstand the
> >>heat of the plasma carbon used to Dikote.
>

Page 301, SR3

Hand Razors: These 2.5- centimeter ---> Chromed Steel <---- or carbon fiber
blades replace the user's fingernails

As long as you're dikoting the normal version and not the Improved razors, there
shouldn't be a problem. No trouble dikoting steel. Only one bit of advice:
dikote the blades BEFORE they're implanted. ;) Hope this helps.

--Jett
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Message no. 12
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:20:33 +0200
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.com>
Date: 07 September 1999 07:40
Subject: Re: Razor Nails

>> >>I was under the impression (no, I don't remember why) that hand
>> >razors were
>> >>a composite carbon fiber, in which case it probably couldn't
>> >withstand the
>> >>heat of the plasma carbon used to Dikote.
>>
>
>Page 301, SR3
>
>Hand Razors: These 2.5- centimeter ---> Chromed Steel <---- or carbon
fiber
>blades replace the user's fingernails
>
>As long as you're dikoting the normal version and not the Improved
razors, there
>shouldn't be a problem. No trouble dikoting steel. Only one bit of
advice:
>dikote the blades BEFORE they're implanted. ;) Hope this helps.
>
>--Jett
><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>

Thanks Jett. My original question still bugs me though.

+1 Power or +1 Damage Level for the Dikote™ nails?

- + - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za> -

MiX it UP!
Message no. 13
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Razor Nails
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:07:52 -0400
Bruce wrote:

>
> Thanks Jett. My original question still bugs me though.
>
> +1 Power or +1 Damage Level for the Dikote™ nails?
>
>

Silly rules that they really should clarify...
We treat it as +1 damage code, if that helps at all. Since the razors have
edges rather than just puncturing things. Just like little knives.

FWIW, We give +1 damage code rather than +1 to power for certain arrows as
well. If you've ever looked at a razorheaded hunting arrow, it's basically
three or four bladed edges doing the work...

--Jett
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You'll die here."
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