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Message no. 1
From: Malcolm Shaw <malhms@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:27:00 +1000
Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
an aspected magician?.
Message no. 2
From: Slipspeed <atreloar@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:47:13 +1000
>Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
>their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
>an aspected magician?.

Any mage who is the SR2 equivalent of an adept (NOT physical, though) is an
aspected magician under SR3.

That includes conjuring adepts, sorcery adepts, enchanting adepts, and any
of the shamanic adepts.

Slipspeed

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Message no. 3
From: Lehlan Decker <DeckerL@******.COM>
Subject: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:44:43 -0400
>Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a
>single aspect of
>their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a
>conjurer an aspected magician?.
This is very similiar to the way that it worked under SR2.
If you are an aspected magician, you could only have
access to conjuring, enchanting, or sorcery. With shaman
it's a little bit different (you may only be able to cast
spells/summon spirits for which you get a totem advantage).
A conjurer would be an aspected magician, who could only
conjure spirits. Hope that helps.
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Message no. 4
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:44:32 -0400
At 02:27 AM 10/24/98 +1000, Malcolm Shaw wrote:
>Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
>their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
>an aspected magician?.
>

Yes. A conjurer is an aspected Shaman or Hermetic Mage. The aspect they
get access to is Summoning. A Hermetic conjurer can only summon elementals
and a Shamanic conjurer can only summon nature spirits.

A conjurer can only summon spirits of their chosen tradition (Shamanic or
Hermetic --Voodou too if you allow that tradition)

(>)noysh the spoonë bard
-> jack of all trades, master of none. <-
Message no. 5
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:17:11 -0400
On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Malcolm Shaw wrote:

->Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
->their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
->an aspected magician?.

Yes. As are sorcerers, elementalists, shamanists and enchanters
(although enchanting isn't detailed in SR3, we'll have to wait till MitS
to see if I'm right there).

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 6
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:17:23 -0400
Shaun Gilroy wrote:
>
> Yes. A conjurer is an aspected Shaman or Hermetic Mage. The aspect they
> get access to is Summoning.

Well, Conjuring, to be more precise. The skill includes controlling and
banishing spirits, as well as summoning them.


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 7
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:52:23 EDT
In a message dated 10/23/98 11:37:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
malhms@*********.COM.AU writes:

> Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
> their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
> an aspected magician?.

Yes, a conjuror is a aspected Hermetic magician who can only summon spirits.

What they mean by aspected mages is that they can only do either one thing
(for hermetics) or do many things with a elemental restriction to it (like a
Fire Mage, or Earth Mage). Aspected Shamans can only perform magic that is
within the bounds of their totem.

-Herc
------- The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 8
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:13:27 EDT
In a message dated 10/23/1998 11:38:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
malhms@*********.COM.AU writes:

> Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
> their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
> an aspected magician?.
>
Yes, as are Enchanters, Sorcerors, Shamanic Adepts, Elemental Adepts, Astral
Adepts, Cartoon Adepts, Physically Buff Adepts and nyooish adepts (Chris, did
I get the spelling right on that last one?)

-K
Message no. 9
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:57:44 -0400
Quoting Mike Bobroff (Airwasp@***.COM):
> Yes, a conjuror is a aspected Hermetic magician who can only summon spirits.
>
> What they mean by aspected mages is that they can only do either one thing
> (for hermetics) or do many things with a elemental restriction to it (like a
> Fire Mage, or Earth Mage). Aspected Shamans can only perform magic that is
> within the bounds of their totem.

Not quite (at least, not quite as I understood it).

I think it goes like this:

Hermetic Shaman
-------- ------
Conjuror Conjuror May only conjure

Sorceror Sorceror May only cast spells

Enchanter Enchanter May only enchant

Elementalist Shamanist May conjure, cast, and enchant,
but only within their element/totem

--Sean
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Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:41:44 +0200
According to Malcolm Shaw, at 2:27 on 24 Oct 98, the word on the street was...

> Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
> their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means.

It means they can use one magical skill and do the things associated with
that skill. For example, a sorcerer could only use Sorcery skill and cast
spells with it.

> Is a conjurer an aspected magician?.

Yes. This would be a character who can only conjure nature spirits or
elementals, but use no other magical skills.

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Message no. 11
From: Steadfast <laughingman@*******.DE>
Subject: Re: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 23:40:48 +0200
And so it came to happen that Malcolm Shaw wrote:

> Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect of
> their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a conjurer
> an aspected magician?.

Yep, Conjurers are aspected magicians. They are either hermetic or shamanistic.
Heremtics can conjure Elemetals, Shamanistic can conjure Nature Spirits. And
Shamanistics get their Totemboni to the Conjuring. That is if they have those
that are needed. Note, Aspected Mages can't do anythinbg other magical than
their chosen aspect (in this example Conjuring). Check SR3rd., Page 160, 2nd,
column, CONJURER
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Message no. 12
From: Malcolm Shaw <malhms@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re Aspected Magicians
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:16:45 +1100
On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Malcolm Shaw wrote:

->Shadowrun 3 states aspected magicians have access to a single aspect
of
->their choosen trasition?? I am mot clear what this means. Is a
conjurer
->an aspected magician?.

Yes. As are sorcerers, elementalists, shamanists and enchanters

(although enchanting isn't detailed in SR3, we'll have to wait till MitS

to see if I'm right there).

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Oh I feel a fool the message was incomplete

The message should have contained the following:

An Aspedted Magician according to Shadowrun3 has only one aspect of the
choosen tradition be it shaman or hemetic. If so then a conjurer or
shaman wiht a single aspect of raising spirits or elementals would have
the apsect and could be very powerful in conjuring and have astral
sight. the question is would he or she also be able to astrally project
- I don't think so.
would he/she be able to banish spirits/elementals?? the main question??
The FOOL

a wise man learns from others mistakes, a dedicated man from his own
mistakes and a fool never learns - perhaps a FOOL can?

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