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From:	Malcolm Shaw malhms@*********.com.au
Subject:	RE Banishing and Adepts
Date:	Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:54:21 +1000

Message no. 1 There is some ambiguity in the third edition over whether physical
adepts
can use banishing. Under the description of the conjuring skill it says
conjuring can be learnt by anyone with a magic rating of at least one.
This is obviously an over simplification as I assume a sorcery adept
could not learn conjuring (and they have a magic rating).

I am aware that physical adepts will never be able to summon or
take control of spirits, as the rules clearly state that only Shamans
can
summon and control nature spirits, and only mages can summon and control
elementals. The ability of physical adepts to use the Banishment
specialization is less clearly defined.

Was it the intention of the authors to give physical adepts access to
the
Banishment specialization of conjuring in the same manner as they have
access to the astral combat specialization of Sorcery, or was the
description of the conjuring skill mearly poorly worded.

Malcolm

From:	Starrngr@*.com Starrngr@*.com
Subject:	RE Banishing and Adepts
Date:	Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:30:02 EDT

Message no. 2 In a message dated 4/20/99 2:54:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
malhms@*********.com.au writes:

> I am aware that physical adepts will never be able to summon or
> take control of spirits, as the rules clearly state that only Shamans
> can
> summon and control nature spirits, and only mages can summon and control
> elementals. The ability of physical adepts to use the Banishment
> specialization is less clearly defined.
>
> Was it the intention of the authors to give physical adepts access to
> the
> Banishment specialization of conjuring in the same manner as they have
> access to the astral combat specialization of Sorcery, or was the
> description of the conjuring skill mearly poorly worded.
>
> Malcolm

Interesting question that. My first thought is taht the description of the
conjuring skill was poorly worded. After thinking about it for a little bit
though, it may in fact have been deliberate. I can think of many cases in TV
or fable where Monks who would otherwise classify as Physical Adepts were
able to cast out deamons as part of their powers. I also don't think they
should get it for free, either.

Hmm. In the end, Its probobly an effect of how you look at a physad's
powers. Are they really magic points, or just a measure of how much power a
physad can tap? (in which case, techincally a Physad would have a Magic
rating of 0 when it came to actuall spell stuff)

In the end, considering some of the fantastic things atributed to Physads,
I'd play them as near physcal mages... They can get those benifits like
Astral vision, etc, just like a mage does, but only if they set aside points
that truly are their magic rating. (and that would serve as their effective
magic rating for everything dealing with magic, from spell defense, to
magical skills, etc...) Which then, of course, brings up the interesting
point of what happens once MITS comes out and this person can initiate?

From:	Airwasp@*.com Airwasp@*.com
Subject:	RE Banishing and Adepts
Date:	Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:42:26 EDT

Message no. 3 In a message dated 4/20/1999 4:54:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
malhms@*********.com.au writes:

> There is some ambiguity in the third edition over whether physical
> adepts
> can use banishing. Under the description of the conjuring skill it says
> conjuring can be learnt by anyone with a magic rating of at least one.
> This is obviously an over simplification as I assume a sorcery adept
> could not learn conjuring (and they have a magic rating).

<snipped a bit>

Okay, here we allow Adepts to be able to banish only if they are capable of
conjuring spirits.

-Herc

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