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From:	Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject:	ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:26:16 -0400

Message no. 1 I was watching ReBoot this morning (I really wish they'd show it at a sane
hour, rather than 7AM... <Sigh>) and thought of an interesting idea to
throw at yuor deckers.

One of the concepts in the game is that these "games" get dropped in
"Mainframe", the city that all the characters live in. The characters can
enter the game by stepping into it (It appears as a HUGE glowing cube), or
are sometimes thrown into it if it falls onto them and they can't escape.
They are then forced to beat the game, and the "user", or else everyone in
the game gets deleted. There may also be some other negative side effects,
but I get to see the show so rarely, I'm still really sketchy on some of
the concepts.

Anyways, my point is, imagine if something similar happened inside the SR
Matrix? Whether this is just an odd side effect of so many Video games
that get played via the Matrix, or maybe even an AI having fun with random
deckers. Either way, it might make for an interesting one shot for your
decker, or even a random event that they get involved in from time to time.

But, the deckers have to beat the game or they get deleted (Dumped with
some mega shock and their decks fragged, or even killed).

<shrug>

Just an odd little idea I thought of...

Spike, you know more about ReBoot than I do... maybe you know what I mean
and can explain the concept of Reboot better than I can,...;] i know
you're a big fan...;]

Bull
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:50:24 +0100

Message no. 2 |
|I was watching ReBoot this morning (I really wish they'd show it at a sane
|hour, rather than 7AM... <Sigh>) and thought of an interesting idea to
|throw at yuor deckers.

Brilliant programme!

|One of the concepts in the game is that these "games" get dropped in
|"Mainframe", the city that all the characters live in. The characters can
|enter the game by stepping into it (It appears as a HUGE glowing cube),

Not that easy. The game cube can only be entered from the underside, which
means it lands on a sector of the city, and anyone IN that sector is IN the
game. Everyone outside can do nothing.....

or
|are sometimes thrown into it if it falls onto them and they can't escape.

Everytime.

|They are then forced to beat the game, and the "user", or else everyone in
|the game gets deleted.

Nullified. There's a difference....

That's one of the main reasons Bob the guardian is there. To protect
Mainframes netizens from game cubes....

(And the viruses of course. Megabyte and Hexadecimal....)

|There may also be some other negative side effects,
|but I get to see the show so rarely, I'm still really sketchy on some of
|the concepts.

Basically, when the User wins a game, the entire sector of the city (people
and all) gets nullified. The buildings are smoking ruins, and the poeple get
turned into "Nulls". Wierd non-sentient little indestructable slugs...

|Anyways, my point is, imagine if something similar happened inside the SR
|Matrix? Whether this is just an odd side effect of so many Video games
|that get played via the Matrix, or maybe even an AI having fun with random
|deckers. Either way, it might make for an interesting one shot for your
|decker, or even a random event that they get involved in from time to time.

Rocky the rabbid racoon would be a blast!
(Season 3 episdoe 2)

|But, the deckers have to beat the game or they get deleted (Dumped with
|some mega shock and their decks fragged, or even killed).

I'd say fry their decks...
It's not easy to turn someone into an indestructable slug....

|Spike, you know more about ReBoot than I do... maybe you know what I mean
|and can explain the concept of Reboot better than I can,...;] i know
|you're a big fan...;]

Yep.... And episode 3 is on tonight at 4.40....
Can't wait....
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From:	Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:42:45 -0400

Message no. 3 At 01:50 PM 7/31/97 +0100, Spike wrote these timeless words:
>|
>|I was watching ReBoot this morning (I really wish they'd show it at a sane
>|hour, rather than 7AM... <Sigh>) and thought of an interesting idea to
>|throw at yuor deckers.
>
>Brilliant programme!
>
I agree... unfortunately I've onlyu seen maybe a dozen or so episodes over
the last year or so... It's on at a REALLY bad time for me... Morning...;]

[SNIP Spike correcting my mistakes:]]

Ok... Like I said, I was guessing, so...;]

>|Anyways, my point is, imagine if something similar happened inside the SR
>|Matrix? Whether this is just an odd side effect of so many Video games
>|that get played via the Matrix, or maybe even an AI having fun with random
>|deckers. Either way, it might make for an interesting one shot for your
>|decker, or even a random event that they get involved in from time to time.
>
>Rocky the rabbid racoon would be a blast!
>(Season 3 episdoe 2)
>
Hell, even if you just took some of today's games, you could have a blast.
Imagine the players getting Stuck in Super Mario, a Street Fighter/Mortal
kombat type game, or Doom...;]

>|But, the deckers have to beat the game or they get deleted (Dumped with
>|some mega shock and their decks fragged, or even killed).
>
>I'd say fry their decks...
>It's not easy to turn someone into an indestructable slug....
>
Cool, that would work...;]

Bull
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From:	Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:09:29 +0000

Message no. 4 > >|I was watching ReBoot this morning (I really wish they'd show it at a sane
> >|hour, rather than 7AM... <Sigh>) and thought of an interesting idea to
> >|throw at yuor deckers.

Yep it is an amuzing series ... It was on a good time here
unfortunatly everybody spoke swedish :)

> >|Anyways, my point is, imagine if something similar happened inside the SR
> >|Matrix? Whether this is just an odd side effect of so many Video games
> >|that get played via the Matrix, or maybe even an AI having fun with random
> >|deckers. Either way, it might make for an interesting one shot for your
> >|decker, or even a random event that they get involved in from time to time.
> >
> >Rocky the rabbid racoon would be a blast!
> >(Season 3 episdoe 2)
> >
> Hell, even if you just took some of today's games, you could have a blast.
> Imagine the players getting Stuck in Super Mario, a Street Fighter/Mortal
> kombat type game, or Doom...;]

Stuck in Doom ? On some gameing sessions it feels like that
all the time ... :)

> >|But, the deckers have to beat the game or they get deleted (Dumped with
> >|some mega shock and their decks fragged, or even killed).

> >I'd say fry their decks...
> >It's not easy to turn someone into an indestructable slug....

Well this sounds like a really cool idea for an adventure ... Mayby
it is just me and my runners but in our group the decker is sort of a
weak character since he is more interested in brains than muscles
and guns.

What if all the runners was sucked into the matix and all of a sudden
they would have to relay way more on the decker to survive. That
would be really neat ... :) Hhee LOL! I am feeling a really evil
streak commin' on :)

Have all the other characters gear and skills converted to "Matrix"
abilitites and skills even thou they ought to be inferior to the real
thing the decker has. It would just be great fun to have the decker
be the power character for once :) Ohboy are the street samurais
going to be scared now :)

Mr. Johnson could demand a meet in the Matrix resulting in that
everyone has to ride along with the decker to be present and oopus
all of a sudden they are sucked into a really bad sector :)

/Stefan

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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:32:38 +0100

Message no. 5 |>Rocky the rabbid racoon would be a blast!
|>(Season 3 episdoe 2)
|>
|Hell, even if you just took some of today's games, you could have a blast.
|Imagine the players getting Stuck in Super Mario, a Street Fighter/Mortal
|kombat type game, or Doom...;]

Well.... Rocky the rabbid racoon is a Warner (Road runner/Elmor Fudd)/Sonic
the hedgehog mickeytake....

Enzo: Shshshshhh.... Be Vewy vewy qwiet. We're hunting wacoons....

:)
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:35:06 +0100

Message no. 6 |What if all the runners was sucked into the matix and all of a sudden
|they would have to relay way more on the decker to survive. That
|would be really neat ... :) Hhee LOL! I am feeling a really evil
|streak commin' on :)

The Decker could be the Guardian, and all the other characters could look
like Binomes....

LOL
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From:	Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:38:49 +0000

Message no. 7 > |What if all the runners was sucked into the matix and all of a sudden
> |they would have to relay way more on the decker to survive. That
> |would be really neat ... :) Hhee LOL! I am feeling a really evil
> |streak commin' on :)
>
> The Decker could be the Guardian, and all the other characters could look
> like Binomes....
>
> LOL

HAHHAHA ... Yeah .... I think this would make a great little
adventurer ... atleast it is not what the runners would expect .. :)
Gosh this will just be to fun :)

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From:	david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:23:33 -0800

Message no. 8 At 8:09 AM 7/31/97, Stefan wrote:

>> Hell, even if you just took some of today's games, you could have a blast.
>> Imagine the players getting Stuck in Super Mario, a Street Fighter/Mortal
>> kombat type game, or Doom...;]
>
>Stuck in Doom ? On some gameing sessions it feels like that
>all the time ... :)
>

One word: Marathon.
I ran a Hero system campaign based upon Marathon two summers ago that my
friends still talk about.

D.

David R. Lowe (dlowe@****.com)
Photography/Graphic Design

"I can't help it, I'm a greedy slob. It's my hobby."
-Daffy Duck

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From:	David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:20:02 -0600

Message no. 9 david lowe wrote:
|
| One word: Marathon.
| I ran a Hero system campaign based upon Marathon two summers ago that my
| friends still talk about.

Marathon?

-David
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From:	The Spaceman <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:41:21 -0700

Message no. 10 >>>>> David Buehrer didst say unto the aether thusly:

# Marathon?

3d shoot-em-up for the Mac. One of the better 3d's out there, although
I have to put Quake at the top.......

ObSR: Did the Basque ETA succeed in the sixth world?

From:	david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:55:49 -0800

Message no. 11 At 11:20 AM 7/31/97, David Buehrer wrote:
>david lowe wrote:
>|
>| One word: Marathon.
>| I ran a Hero system campaign based upon Marathon two summers ago that my
>| friends still talk about.
>
>Marathon?

Marathon is a kick-ass game from Bungie that makes Doom look like a game
for little girls (no offense to any little girls on this list).

It's a POV shoot-em game with incredible graphics, sound and physics, and
(gasp!) an actual story with an actual plot. I don't know if the original
is availible for Windows, but the two sequels are.

Do yourself a favor and check this game out.

D.

ps, it's also great networked. I work for a design company, and can't say
you've truly lived until you've played Marathon with three other people on
blazing fast ethernetted Macs with 21" monitors, stero sound and live audio
mics. Of course, one could argue I need to get a life...

David R. Lowe (dlowe@****.com)
Photography/Graphic Design

"I can't help it, I'm a greedy slob. It's my hobby."
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From:	Kabael <kabael@****.NET>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:24:45 -0400

Message no. 12 At 07:26 AM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I was watching ReBoot this morning (I really wish they'd show it at a sane
>hour, rather than 7AM... <Sigh>) and thought of an interesting idea to
>throw at yuor deckers.
>
>One of the concepts in the game is that these "games" get dropped in
>"Mainframe", the city that all the characters live in. The characters can
>enter the game by stepping into it (It appears as a HUGE glowing cube), or
>are sometimes thrown into it if it falls onto them and they can't escape.
>They are then forced to beat the game, and the "user", or else everyone in
>the game gets deleted. There may also be some other negative side effects,
>but I get to see the show so rarely, I'm still really sketchy on some of
>the concepts.
>
>Anyways, my point is, imagine if something similar happened inside the SR
>Matrix? Whether this is just an odd side effect of so many Video games
>that get played via the Matrix, or maybe even an AI having fun with random
>deckers. Either way, it might make for an interesting one shot for your
>decker, or even a random event that they get involved in from time to time.
>
>But, the deckers have to beat the game or they get deleted (Dumped with
>some mega shock and their decks fragged, or even killed).
>
><shrug>
>
>Just an odd little idea I thought of...
>
>Spike, you know more about ReBoot than I do... maybe you know what I mean
>and can explain the concept of Reboot better than I can,...;] i know
>you're a big fan...;]
>
>Bull

just be happy that it still plays there, I can't get it at all : (
American TV companies suck, they cancel all the good shows.

What if instead of having the players be the ones in the game, they
discovered that elements of the MAtrix were becoming sentient on their own
(maybe I am reading too much Mage with the Virtual Adepts). Has anyone read
_Count Zero_ by William Gibson? The kid in that book met *something* in the
Matrix that wasn't normal, what would happen to the SR world if metahuman
rights groups started calling for the recognition of virtual life?

k a b a e l meo the shoes :- ) kabael@****.net

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"This is SO educcational!" "This toilet overflows with my
tears..."
"Who started this?" "Is the music first?"
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carpet."

From:	Nathan Ray <Gabrie6967@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:27:57 -0400

Message no. 13 In a message dated 7/31/97 2:52:38 PM, you wrote:

>Hell, even if you just took some of today's games, you could have a blast.
>
>Imagine the players getting Stuck in Super Mario, a Street Fighter/Mortal
>
>kombat type game, or Doom...;]
>

Or Duckhunt <teheehee>

-Gabriel

From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:38:59 +0100

Message no. 14 |just be happy that it still plays there, I can't get it at all : (
|American TV companies suck, they cancel all the good shows.

Only ABC cancelled, which means, it wasn't cancelled.
It's taken Mainframe 2 years to make this 3rd series of Reboot, and it
should be making it's way to Canada in August and America in September.
On Claster (whatever that is)

And all I can say is, it's getting better and better.
3.1.1 (TO mend and defend) was BRILLIANT, with a new opening sequence using
Megabytes voice instead of Bobs (what with Bob being lost). Also a brilliant
rip-off of DOOM and Evil Dead II.

3.1.2 (Between a racoon and a hard place) was... was... I'm lost for words,
it's too good.

And as for tonights episode!
3.1.3 (Firewall)....
It had me rolling on the floor laughing... Well... my bed anyway....
I'm still seeing the opening sequence in my minds eye and giggling now....

I don't envy you yanks one bit, I can tell you.....
Can't wait 'till next week......
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From:	Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:54:46 -0500

Message no. 15 At 08:38 PM 7/31/97 +0100, Spike wrote:

>I don't envy you yanks one bit, I can tell you.....
>Can't wait 'till next week......

Oh? Really? So, I guess you don't mind hearing about b5 then eh?

:)

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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:15:57 +0100

Message no. 16 |
|At 08:38 PM 7/31/97 +0100, Spike wrote:
|
|>I don't envy you yanks one bit, I can tell you.....
|>Can't wait 'till next week......
|
|Oh? Really? So, I guess you don't mind hearing about b5 then eh?
|
|:)

SIOB (Sharp intake of breath)

WELL AT LEAST WE'LL GET TO SEE IT ALL AT ONCE, (exhales), instead of broken
up every 6 weeks with reruns, the way america gets it.....

That's why for the past 2 years, you started the season before us, but we
got to see the last 5 episodes before YOU.

Only this time, C4 decided they didn't want to break it up at all....
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From:	George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:37:33 -0400

Message no. 17 In a message dated 97-07-31 15:40:59 EDT, you write:

> I don't envy you yanks one bit, I can tell you.....
> Can't wait 'till next week......

Well, at least we get Babylon 5 before you do. Then again, if we want
models, we gotta look to England, and at 60 pounds sterling for a model of
the White Star, I'll pass thank you.
What I do envy you though, is Wales. I WILL visit there soon..... =)

Wolfstar

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:57:50 +0100

Message no. 18 Bull said on 7:26/31 Jul 97...

["inevitable game" idea snipped]
> Anyways, my point is, imagine if something similar happened inside the SR
> Matrix? Whether this is just an odd side effect of so many Video games
> that get played via the Matrix, or maybe even an AI having fun with random
> deckers. Either way, it might make for an interesting one shot for your
> decker, or even a random event that they get involved in from time to time.
>
> But, the deckers have to beat the game or they get deleted (Dumped with
> some mega shock and their decks fragged, or even killed).

It shouldn't be too hard to implement in SR; once the decker is in a host
where this could happen, you could roll a test of some kind to see if the
char gets trapped (or simply decide he/she is trapped) and then have some
fun with a video game... You could even boot up a game on a real computer,
and if the player wins, the decker is out; if not, the decker is dumped,
caught while Trace tracks down the decker's physical location, or
whatever. You can even make it a UV host if you want it to appear as if
the decker is in the real world.

> Just an odd little idea I thought of...

Talking about decker ideas, I'm currently halfway through re-reading
Gibson's sprawl trilogy, and I suddenly realized that a nice thing (from
the GM's standpoint) to do to new deckers is what Two-A-Day did to Bobby:
rent them some software that's supposed to be really good, and secretly
observe whether it is or not. Of course, it blows up in the decker's face
and some big shots step in to take care of it all. Whether they're
friendly or unfriendly to the decker is up to the GM, as well as where the
software came from.

The PCs may get several parties all chasing them: the people who
originally acquired the software the decker used, the people who
developed it (i.e. who it was stolen from), the people running the host
the decker used the software against, and you could throw at least one law
enforcement agency against them too, possibly even more...

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:57:50 +0100

Message no. 19 Kabael said on 15:24/31 Jul 97...

> Has anyone read _Count Zero_ by William Gibson? The kid in that book met
> *something* in the Matrix that wasn't normal, what would happen to the
> SR world if metahuman rights groups started calling for the recognition
> of virtual life?

What Bobby meets in the matrix at the start of Count Zero is Angela
Mitchell, who in SR terms would probably be an otaku or someone with a
custom-made cranial deck, except she can access the matrix without
physically plugging into it.

Of course, the loa that pop up later on are a bit harder to explain that
way; maybe they're AIs, possibly related to the time "when it all changed"
-- i.e. the events that happened at the end of Neuromancer, some 8 years
before Cunt Zero. I'll probably have a better idea on them in a few days,
at which time it won't have been a few years since I last read those bits
of the book :)

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From:	Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:08:11 +0200

Message no. 20 At 12:57 PM 01-08-97 +0100, you (Gurth)wrote:
, some 8 years before Cunt Zero.
>
Damn sometimes typos are real embaressing.

BRUCE
Arcanum Majoris - Big Magic! :)
Free your mind and the rest will follow!

From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:27:49 -0400

Message no. 21 In a message dated 97-07-31 23:03:50 EDT, you write:

<< Well, at least we get Babylon 5 before you do. Then again, if we want
models, we gotta look to England, and at 60 pounds sterling for a model of
the White Star, I'll pass thank you.
What I do envy you though, is Wales. I WILL visit there soon..... =)
>>

Revell has the rights to do the B5 models. The starfurys will be out soon, as
will a 3 foot long station.

And as far as I am aware of, no one but revell has the rights to manufacture
the models, so the White Star may be an underground kit. (Babylonian
Productions have been very stingy will manufacturing licenses.)

-Bandit

From:	Kabael <kabael@****.NET>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:44:53 -0400

Message no. 22 At 12:57 PM 8/1/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Kabael said on 15:24/31 Jul 97...
>
>> Has anyone read _Count Zero_ by William Gibson? The kid in that book met
>> *something* in the Matrix that wasn't normal, what would happen to the
>> SR world if metahuman rights groups started calling for the recognition
>> of virtual life?
>
>What Bobby meets in the matrix at the start of Count Zero is Angela
>Mitchell, who in SR terms would probably be an otaku or someone with a
>custom-made cranial deck, except she can access the matrix without
>physically plugging into it.
>
>Of course, the loa that pop up later on are a bit harder to explain that
>way; maybe they're AIs, possibly related to the time "when it all changed"
>-- i.e. the events that happened at the end of Neuromancer, some 8 years
>before Cunt Zero. I'll probably have a better idea on them in a few days,
>at which time it won't have been a few years since I last read those bits
>of the book :)
>

IMHO, the loa were AIs spawned from the original (and artistic) one in
orbit. I think that the "conversation" between the art dealer and the AI
implied that, but I can't remember exactly, and it might have been in
Neuromancer (my fav book of all time)

>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

k a b a e l meo the shoes :- ) kabael@****.net

some quotes from GoldeBoy, my very first Anime movie:
"This is SO educcational!" "This toilet overflows with my
tears..."
"Who started this?" "Is the music first?"
"When I took a nap, despite my cramming, my face became patterned like the
carpet."

From:	George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:21:42 -0400

Message no. 23 In a message dated 97-08-01 06:20:38 EDT, you write:

> What if instead of having the players be the ones in the game, they
> discovered that elements of the MAtrix were becoming sentient on their own
> (maybe I am reading too much Mage with the Virtual Adepts). Has anyone
read
> _Count Zero_ by William Gibson? The kid in that book met *something* in
the
> Matrix that wasn't normal, what would happen to the SR world if metahuman
> rights groups started calling for the recognition of virtual life?

Two things: One, that is most definitely not a quick aside - in fact, I'd
wager you could base a campaign off it, but you'd have too many Otaku showing
up. Two, in Neuromancer, two AI's, which were in reality different
"personalities" of the same computer, were merged. The AI BECAME the Matrix.
Think about that one the next time you're chatting over coffee about how
silly those Fuchi types are, not realizing their computer's sentient. =)

Wolfstar

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:28:05 +0100

Message no. 24 M. Sean Martinez said on 12:27/ 1 Aug 97...

> Revell has the rights to do the B5 models. The starfurys will be out soon, as
> will a 3 foot long station.

Yes! Although, knowing Revell, they'll probably require so much work that
scratchbuilding them is almost as fast... :)

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:28:05 +0100

Message no. 25 Bruce said on 14:08/ 1 Aug 97...

> Damn sometimes typos are real embaressing.

That's exactly what I thought when I got the message back...

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From:	George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:52:01 -0400

Message no. 26 In a message dated 97-08-01 12:28:42 EDT, you write:

> And as far as I am aware of, no one but revell has the rights to
> manufacture
> the models, so the White Star may be an underground kit. (Babylonian
> Productions have been very stingy will manufacturing licenses.)

Check out any of the British-heavy Sci-fi rags, and you'll probably see it
in there. As long as Revell puts out the kits as high-end, and they make
White Star kits, I'm happy.

Wolfstar

From:	George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:42:54 -0400

Message no. 27 In a message dated 97-08-01 16:31:31 EDT, you write:

> rent them some software that's supposed to be really good, and secretly
> observe whether it is or not. Of course, it blows up in the decker's face
> and some big shots step in to take care of it all. Whether they're
> friendly or unfriendly to the decker is up to the GM, as well as where the
> software came from.

Personally, I'd use that ruthlessly. Why? To point out to the deckere that
any decker worth the title writes their own code. I could see testing the
code out. But using it on a run? Oh dear! <EGMG>

Wolfstar

From:	"Joshua M. Kanapkey" <Wakabout@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:25:02 -0400

Message no. 28 On 97-08-01, Stefan wrote:

<<What if all the runners was sucked into the matix and all of a sudden
they would have to relay way more on the decker to survive. >>

This sounds hauntingly familiar...something like um, 'Trunk'? No, um, 'Tank'?
No, um, 'Trank'? No that's not it...'Tron'. Yeah, that's it.

This is an awesome idea, btw. I might just have to do it myself. Right after
the 'From Dusk til Dawn' run... <EGMG followed by maniacal laughter>

T'anks and Adieu,
Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.
{{e-mail at: wakabout@***.com}}

PS BOB'S DEAD? <choke> <gasp>

From:	Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject:	Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept
Date:	Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:05:00 GMT

Message no. 29 on 01.08.97 gurth@******.NL wrote:

g> > Has anyone read _Count Zero_ by William Gibson? The kid in that book met
g> > *something* in the Matrix that wasn't normal, what would happen to the
g> > SR world if metahuman rights groups started calling for the recognition
g> > of virtual life?
g>
g> What Bobby meets in the matrix at the start of Count Zero is Angela
g> Mitchell, who in SR terms would probably be an otaku or someone with a
g> custom-made cranial deck, except she can access the matrix without
g> physically plugging into it.

Well, in Gibson's cyberpunk ([fanatic on] the only *true* cyberpunk
[fanatic off]) cyberspace is a myhstical 'forcefield' that connects all
electronic devices/biochips (Yup, this includes digital watches) without
the need of any physical connection (no wires, no radio, nothing).

[massive spoiler for everyone, who wants to read the Neromancer trilogy!!]

g> Of course, the loa that pop up later on are a bit harder to explain that
g> way; maybe they're AIs, possibly related to the time "when it all changed"
g> -- i.e. the events that happened at the end of Neuromancer, some 8 years
g> before Cunt Zero. I'll probably have a better idea on them in a few days,
g> at which time it won't have been a few years since I last read those bits
g> of the book :)

The loas are AIs the Neuromacer/Wintermute-AI 'downloaded' from (IIRC)
alpha centauri and connected to itself. IMO when people log into
cyberspace, the loas/Neuromancer/Wintermute (let's call it NWL) create
some biochip in their brain (just like the stuff Angie got from her
father). As soon as this is finished, NWL can access the deckers brain
just like any other computer. Something like that, anyway...

sayonara

Tobias
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