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Message no. 1
From: Mercenary X <kdye@*****.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:28:36 -0700
I just bought the contemperary weapons guide from palladium. It has
RPG stats on real weapons, about 700 in all. I am in the process of
converting them to shadowrun but the book is great, they have sub-MGs
that can fire 17 rounds in second. Do you guys have any recommended non
SR supplements that would be helpful in a game of SR?
Message no. 2
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 17:36:29 -0500
It's made by Palladium, it's lame. =)
Message no. 3
From: Mercenary X <kdye@*****.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:55:49 -0700
On Sat, 9 Jul 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> It's made by Palladium, it's lame. =)
>
No it isn't lame. Rifts, the game system, most other palladium things
are lame. But not this book. Though it is overpriced.:<)
Message no. 4
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 18:23:21 -0500
> Most other palladium things are lame. But not this book. Though it is
> overpriced.
^^^^^^^^^^

It's lame. =)
Message no. 5
From: Mercenary X <kdye@*****.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 16:34:38 -0700
Do you even have it?
Message no. 6
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 21:56:39 -0400
>>>>> "Mercenary" == Mercenary X <kdye@*****.STANFORD.EDU>
writes:

Mercenary> I just bought the contemperary weapons guide from palladium.

Palladium holds a very low position in my list. Considering the mistakes,
blatant and otherwise, in all their books, how can you blame me?

Mercenary> It has RPG stats on real weapons, about 700 in all. I am in the
Mercenary> process of converting them to shadowrun but the book is great,
Mercenary> they have sub-MGs that can fire 17 rounds in second.

Sounds like the G-11; otherwise between 400 and 800 rounds per minute
(about 7 to 15 rounds per second) is average for fully automatic
contemporary weapons.

Mercenary> Do you guys have any recommended non SR supplements that would
Mercenary> be helpful in a game of SR?

Certainly not anything from Palladium Books :). Try "Guns! Guns! Guns!" and
"More Guns!" from the BTRC, written by Greg Porter; and "Edge of the Sword
Volume 1: The Compendium of Modern Firearms" from R.Tal, written by...
damn, nameserver lookup failure... the guy who wrote Morrow Project.

Also a Sharper Image catalog, a Sears catalog (if you can still get them,
but I think they're out of the catalog business now), and a U.S. Cavalry
catalog. There's also a fliers version of U.S. Cavalry, but I can't
remember their name.

In addition, just abut anything to do with anything, really. Just Like Real
Life(TM).

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Message no. 7
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 20:59:46 -0500
> damn, nameserver lookup failure... the guy who wrote Morrow Project

I'll get cracking on updating your DNS tables...=)

> Considering all the mistakes, blatant and otherwise, in their list...

Just like FASA books! =) I love that 3000rounds-per-second gun in SR, and
those wonderfully messed up BattleTech weapons. =)
Message no. 8
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 22:10:06 -0400
>>>>> "Gian-Paolo" == Gian-Paolo Musumeci
<musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
>>>>> writes:

>> damn, nameserver lookup failure... the guy who wrote Morrow Project
Gian-Paolo> I'll get cracking on updating your DNS tables...=)

Heh :). It's Kevin Dockery. And I didn't look in the book.

>> Considering all the mistakes, blatant and otherwise, in their list...
Gian-Paolo> Just like FASA books! =) I love that 3000rounds-per-second gun
Gian-Paolo> in SR, and those wonderfully messed up BattleTech weapons. =)

Battletech aside (which is a tactical wargame written by a bunch of guys
who know almost nothing about tactics or warfare), FASA's gaffes are
nothing compared to Palladium's. Here are some examples:

* In Palladium Fantasy, it states that a diabolist must place area effect
wards on large, immobile objects. It then proceeds to use an example of
placing an AoE ward on a weapon. What's wrong with this picture?
Furthermore, they state that a diabolist cannot trigger his own wards. So
what happens when you draw your warded sword? Does the scabbard activate
the ward? How about if you accidentally nudge that kid in the bazzarre?
(I know a Palladium Fantasy GM and this one's his favorite :).

* Take the Robotech RPG (please!!! :). Over on the Robotech list we're
building a list of all the errors and mistakes, based on animated footage
and some of the Japanese film books (like Macross Perfect Memory). We've
got the mecha section for Book 1 almost finished, and it's almost as big
as the ShadowRN FAQ file.

FASA gets a lot of typos (which is forgivable) and the occasional gaffe
(like the Thunderbolt handgun), but they don't fill a 98-page book with 'em.

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Message no. 9
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.EFN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 19:39:53 -0700
I agree whole-heartedly.

On Sat, 9 Jul 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> It's made by Palladium, it's lame. =)
>

And I would recommend making up your own weapons using SRII stats.
Weaponry will be advanced over FASA's designs.

Ivy
Message no. 10
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.EFN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 19:44:35 -0700
Hi Mercenary X.
I am in on this from the side, but I do have a copy, and I agree with
On Sat, 9 Jul 1994, Mercenary X wrote:

> Do you even have it?
>
Gian-Paolo. It is lame. For a better book try Modern Military Small
Arms or Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, or any other serious book.

If you want one with game stats try to find a copy of The Armory, volume
1, printed by Firebird Ltd. Get a second printing if you can. Much
better book.

Ivy
Message no. 11
From: Bryan Prince <WALAB@******.HH.VANDERBILT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 08:08:44 -0600
Guys--
(and Ladies, too :)
We covered this about 3 months ago. Hayden had all of us write in supplemental
information, and he collated it. We spent about 2 weeks haggling over it, and
then Hayden posted it to the net. I'd repost, but I can't find my copies.
Try the backlogs..
Bryan
Message no. 12
From: Mercenary X <kdye@*****.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 08:49:56 -0700
I would but I can not for the life of me figure out how to get past logs.

MercenaryX
Message no. 13
From: Mercenary X <kdye@*****.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 09:01:17 -0700
On Mon, 11 Jul 1994, Bryan Prince wrote:

> Guys--
> (and Ladies, too :)
> We covered this about 3 months ago. Hayden had all of us write in supplemental
> information, and he collated it. We spent about 2 weeks haggling over it, and
> then Hayden posted it to the net. I'd repost, but I can't find my copies.
> Try the backlogs..
> Bryan
>
Who cares whether you talked about a long time ago. I think we all could
handle more than 10 posts a day.
Message no. 14
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 23:39:34 -0400
On Mon, 11 Jul 1994, Mercenary X wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jul 1994, Bryan Prince wrote:
>
> > We covered this about 3 months ago. Hayden had all of us write in supplemental
> > information, and he collated it. We spent about 2 weeks haggling over it, and
> > then Hayden posted it to the net. I'd repost, but I can't find my copies.
> >
> Who cares whether you talked about a long time ago. I think we all could
> handle more than 10 posts a day.
>
Hold on a mo' -- wasn't our Fearless Leader collecting this stuff
for inclusion in the SHADOWRN FAQ? I'm about 95% sure that that _was_
the purpose....
Message no. 15
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 23:22:23 +0100
On Mon, 11 Jul 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> Hold on a mo' -- wasn't our Fearless Leader collecting this stuff
> for inclusion in the SHADOWRN FAQ? I'm about 95% sure that that _was_
> the purpose....

It IS in the FAQ. Don't you read it? :-)

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Message no. 16
From: Alexander Borghgraef <Alexander.Borghgraef@***.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:25:50 --100
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Message no. 17
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 20:59:46 -0500
>Just like FASA books! =) I love that 3000rounds-per-second gun in SR, and
>those wonderfully messed up BattleTech weapons. =)


Shouldn't that be 3000 rounds per minute ? Even a six barrel Minigun has only
6000 rounds per minute(that's 100 per second).
Message no. 18
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Recomended Non SR supplements
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:11:07 +1000
GP writes:

> Just like FASA books! =) I love that 3000rounds-per-second gun in SR, and
> those wonderfully messed up BattleTech weapons. =)

Know where I can get hold of BTech erratta, like for the Technical Handbook
in particular (its the worst case of FASA errors I've seen). [I think its
the Technical Handbook - anyway, the one with the HV ACs and TC missiles etc)

Damion
PS Sorry about the complete non SR of this post

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