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Message no. 1
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Reflex Trigger
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:32:09 -0500
What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?

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Message no. 2
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:52:09 +0100
Faux Pas said on 9 Apr 96...

> What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?

You mean the reactive trigger? First edition Street Samurai Catalog. It
was dropped from second edition since most weapons are now able to fire
SA (there were no firing modes in SR1).

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Message no. 3
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@****.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:46:24 +0200 (MET DST)
Gurth wrote:
> Faux Pas said on 9 Apr 96...
> > What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?

> You mean the reactive trigger? First edition Street Samurai Catalog. It
> was dropped from second edition since most weapons are now able to fire
> SA (there were no firing modes in SR1).

I think he does mean 'reflex trigger' from Cybertechnology. It
switches your reaction enhancers (MBW (?), Wired reflexes (!)) on or
off so you don't have to live "on the edge" all of your time.
Sorry, don't have CTech with me... Ah, but I do have my Index
File... see... it's page 38, CTech! :-)

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Message no. 4
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:58:00 +0100 (BST)
|
|What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?

If you mean *reactive* trigger, then that's a carry over from ShRI.
It should be in the main rulebook, as they decided all automatic guns
suddenly had them.

(All it does is allow 2 shots, instead of one for your action.)
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Message no. 5
From: Damon Wilson <damontw@****.com>
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 06:03 MDT
it WAS in first edition St. Sam. Catalog. SA mode of pistols combined with
the Simple action to fire a gun pretty much made all pistols with a built-in
Reactive Trigger.

I can type up the stats if'n ya like...I still have my WELL-worn copy of SSC #1.

Damon

At 11:32 PM 4/9/96 -0500, Thomas Deeny wrote:
>What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?
>
>-Thomas Deeny
>Cartoonist At Large

>
Message no. 6
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:12:29 -0500
>Faux Pas said on 9 Apr 96...
>
>> What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?
>
>You mean the reactive trigger? First edition Street Samurai Catalog. It
>was dropped from second edition since most weapons are now able to fire
>SA (there were no firing modes in SR1).

No, I think he means the Reflex Trigger. It's in cybertech and allows the
on/off switching of wired reflexes. Gee, even answered the question.

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Message no. 7
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Reflex Trigger
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:32:09 -0500
>What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?
Cybertechnologies

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Message no. 8
From: jhm@***.digex.net (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:53:42 -0400
Greetings,

10 Apr 96 11:46, Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@****.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
wrote:

>SP> Ah, but I do have my Index File... see... it's page 38, CTech! :-)

Is this index publically available ?

jhm

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Message no. 9
From: Paul@********.demon.co.uk (Paul Jonathan Adam)
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:01:33 GMT
In message <199604100432.XAA29497@******.cy-net.net> fauxpas@******.net (Faux
Pas) writes:
> What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?

Cybertechnology.

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Message no. 10
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Reflex Trigger
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:35:35 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 10 Apr 96...

> > > What sourcebook is the Reflex Trigger in?
>
> > You mean the reactive trigger?
>
> I think he does mean 'reflex trigger' from Cybertechnology. It
> switches your reaction enhancers (MBW (?), Wired reflexes (!)) on or
> off so you don't have to live "on the edge" all of your time.
> Sorry, don't have CTech with me... Ah, but I do have my Index
> File... see... it's page 38, CTech! :-)

My mistake, I got the names mixed up... Yep, you're right. Page 38 of
Cybertech has a Reflex Trigger piece of cyberware.

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Message no. 11
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:27:21 -0400
Here's a bad question. When combining a reflex trigger with the various
reflexes which ones can it affect? Can they only be used on Wired Reflexes
or can Boosted Reflexes use them. If memory serves the Synaptic Accelerator
can't, what about the Move By Wire?

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Message no. 12
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:09:45 PDT
>Here's a bad question. When combining a reflex trigger with the various
>reflexes which ones can it affect? Can they only be used on Wired
Reflexes
>or can Boosted Reflexes use them. If memory serves the Synaptic
Accelerator
>can't, what about the Move By Wire?
>

With Boosted Reflexes and Synaptic Accelerator's, there is no way-
thereisn't anything to "turn off", astheseareessentially biological /
anatomical changes to physiology. Note also that those systems can't be
damaged. Turning off MBW wouldbe pretty unwise- the brain would NOT
handle the sudden shift in opperative modes- youcan't just turn off a
siezure, or MBW's associated problems would be less troublesome.
As written, wired reflexes are the ONLY system the reflex trigger
works with. In RBB2, they can be used with VCR's. Why? RTB!
In fact, Mongoose considered getting both Wired3 / reflex trigger
and Synaptic AC 1. He'd had his wires shot out and wanted a belt-and
suspenders safety net against that happening again, as well as a
"fallback" boost for situations where the wire effects would be a
hinderence. And no, he would not have had 5d6 initititve, just 2d6 or
4d6. It was all to expensive and time consuming (bioware implant
recovery is a bitch with nurealware), so he just got his old wires
fixed. I figure reflex enhancers and a synaptic AC 2 are a better buy
foranybody wanting a similar effect.


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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:13:58 +0100
NightLife said on 3:27/16 Oct 97...

> Here's a bad question. When combining a reflex trigger with the various
> reflexes which ones can it affect? Can they only be used on Wired Reflexes
> or can Boosted Reflexes use them. If memory serves the Synaptic Accelerator
> can't, what about the Move By Wire?

It only mentions wired reflexes on page 38 of Cybertech, so I'd say the
reflex trigger can only be used with those. A synaptic accelerator would
be out of the quesion, as that consists of enhanced neural pathways rather
than electronics that can be switched on and off when necessary.

Boosted reflexes can't be upgraded (says the SSC), so IMHO you can't graft
a reflex trigger onto them either, and MBW, well, if you switch that off
your body doesn't respond to your brain anymore... Not a good thing to
have a reflex trigger on, I think :)

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Message no. 14
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:26:11 -0500
At 16-Okt-97 wrote NightLife:

>Here's a bad question. When combining a reflex trigger with the various
>reflexes which ones can it affect? Can they only be used on Wired Reflexes
>or can Boosted Reflexes use them. If memory serves the Synaptic Accelerator
>can't, what about the Move By Wire?


Only with the wired reflexes, synaptics and boosted won`t work and MBW will
leave you in a coma or worse if it is shut down. VCR could work, why not?
Can anyone with a RBB2 check if this option is mentioned.

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Message no. 15
From: Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:31:21 +0000
Barbie <barbie@**********.COM> once wrote,


(snipped the questions about VCRs and Reflex triggers)

> Only with the wired reflexes, synaptics and boosted won`t work and MBW will
> leave you in a coma or worse if it is shut down. VCR could work, why not?
> Can anyone with a RBB2 check if this option is mentioned.

Are you psychic or what? ;) Yes, VCRs can be combined with a reflex
trigger. The main usage of this system, in RBB2, was to allow
riggers to deck the matrix without penalties, by shutting down their
VCR. Of course, the trigger, like it's Wired reflexes counterpart,
cannot be installed as an afterthought. It must be installed with
the VCR, or the VCR must be removed, and reinstalled with the
trigger.


Trinity

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Message no. 16
From: David Mezerette <mezeretted@*****.U-NANCY.FR>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:05:32 +0100
>It only mentions wired reflexes on page 38 of Cybertech, so I'd say the
>reflex trigger can only be used with those. A synaptic accelerator would
>be out of the quesion, as that consists of enhanced neural pathways rather
>than electronics that can be switched on and off when necessary.
>
>Boosted reflexes can't be upgraded (says the SSC), so IMHO you can't graft
>a reflex trigger onto them either, and MBW, well, if you switch that off
>your body doesn't respond to your brain anymore... Not a good thing to
>have a reflex trigger on, I think :)
>
But, for boosted reflexes and MBW ain't there a switch for just slowing down
the whole thing? i can't help wondering how long someone moving twice as
fast as ppl and things he/she sees would stay sane?

ChYlD
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Message no. 17
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:54:35 -0400
In a message dated 97-10-16 03:28:58 EDT, habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU writes:

>
> Here's a bad question. When combining a reflex trigger with the various
> reflexes which ones can it affect? Can they only be used on Wired Reflexes
> or can Boosted Reflexes use them. If memory serves the Synaptic
Accelerator
> can't, what about the Move By Wire?
>
In theory it could be done, however MBW utilizes a scary concept. Directly
overruling the conscious control of the body by the mind. Okay, you say it
is already being done...true it is...just not to MBW's advanced levels.
Placing a "Reflex Trigger" in a MBW system means that when the trigger is
"off" (no power), then no gross motor actios are possible AT ALL. Boosted
Reflexes? Hmm....don't know, as it is a mixture o fbiotech and cybertech (if
your read the description anyway). I don't know what the effect would be
there.

-K
Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Reflex trigger
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:36:08 +0100
David Mezerette said on 14:05/16 Oct 97...

> But, for boosted reflexes and MBW ain't there a switch for just slowing down
> the whole thing? i can't help wondering how long someone moving twice as
> fast as ppl and things he/she sees would stay sane?

This is talked about in Cybertechnology as well. There's a reason street
sams sit with their backs to the walls, beyond being paranoid about
people trying to kill them: they don't want someone normal walking by and
reacting to it before their brain registers the person as "not a threat."

For example, imagine someone with wired reflexes sitting in a restaurant.
The corp suit behind him puts his hand into his jacket and pulls out his
wallet. The sam sees this from the corner of his eye, and the first
thought in his head is "gun!" Before the sam sees it's only a wallet, he
is already up and moving to punch out the suit's lights...

That's what the reflex trigger is for, so you're right in saying you could
go insane when moving at such speeds all the time. It also makes me wonder
if MBW, for example, can be switched off. If not, it has an additional
drawback, beyond all the other free bonus stuff you don't really want to
get from it :)

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