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Message no. 1
From: Sebastian Wiers <seb@***.RIPCO.COM>
Subject: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:31:52 -0500
Ok, heres a question that you all probably have no trouble with but has
kicked our buts for a while.

Just what is a remington roomsweeper? The description calls it a heavy
pistol chambered for shotgun rounds. I've also heard it described as a
compact combat shotgun.

The damage code is listed as 9s(f). Does that mean it does 9s against
unarmores oponnents, ie has a base damage of 9m, but can only fire shot-type
rounds? Or does it do regular shotgun damage and can load any shotgun round?
We've been playing that way, which is pretty ill, but fits with the bit about
"high intimidation and take down". Also, its nice to load jells. Do they use
the same ammo as shotguns, but get less damage because of the shorter barrel?

So why is it so fucking small? Conc. 8?! I've snuck these into ultra
secure meeting rooms. Course, they let me keep my armor also, and I have a
rep for bieng level headed. But still, just the 8 shotgun shells would be
pretty big, never mind the barrel. And it is semi auto. Sounds chunky.

So, has anyone out there changed how remington roomsweepers work, or are they
cheap, concealable, deadly guns? I'd like to keep the versatility, but if you
have some real good reason they can't fire slugs, I'll live with it.
Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:53:00 -0400
>>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Wiers <seb@***.RIPCO.COM>
writes:

Sebastian> Just what is a remington roomsweeper? The description
Sebastian> calls it a heavy pistol chambered for shotgun rounds. I've
Sebastian> also heard it described as a compact combat shotgun.

It's a floor wax! It's a desert topping! It's both!

It's both. Take a way-honkin' huge pistol like the Desert Eagle, only a
bit bigger, and chamber it for a 10ga or 12ga shotgun round. Can you say
"wristbreaker"? I knew you could.

Sebastian> The damage code is listed as 9s(f). Does that mean it does
Sebastian> 9s against unarmores oponnents, ie has a base damage of 9m,
Sebastian> but can only fire shot-type rounds?

Hmmm... I don't have a book handy to check, but isn't it 9S(f)? That
would be 9S damage, flechette ammunition, and the flechette modifiers
are already factored in. It's going to do less damage than a full sized
shotugn, simply due to the really short barrel.

Converting a shotgun into a roomsweeper is simple: saw down the barrel
as far as you can, saw off the stock, and that's it.

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Message no. 3
From: Sebastian Wiers <seb@***.RIPCO.COM>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:52:18 -0500
>
> Sebastian> Just what is a remington roomsweeper? The description
> Sebastian> calls it a heavy pistol chambered for shotgun rounds. I've
> Sebastian> also heard it described as a compact combat shotgun.
>
> It's both. Take a way-honkin' huge pistol like the Desert Eagle, only a
> bit bigger, and chamber it for a 10ga or 12ga shotgun round. Can you say
> "wristbreaker"? I knew you could.
>
Ok, makes sense, except the high conceal (revised to 7). Not a wristbreaker-
that was some nagrl weapon. Rommsweepers are for grannies and mages :)

> Sebastian> The damage code is listed as 9s(f). Does that mean it does
> Sebastian> 9s against unarmores oponnents, ie has a base damage of 9m,
> Sebastian> but can only fire shot-type rounds?
>
> Hmmm... I don't have a book handy to check, but isn't it 9S(f)? That
> would be 9S damage, flechette ammunition, and the flechette modifiers
> are already factored in. It's going to do less damage than a full sized
> shotugn, simply due to the really short barrel.
>
OK, so can you fire slugs for 9M (yes, I posted it was 9S(f) and yes, that is
what is in the book. I can read. :)

> Converting a shotgun into a roomsweeper is simple: saw down the barrel
> as far as you can, saw off the stock, and that's it.
>
Actually, this is exactly what gave us trouble. You cant saw a semi auto
shotgun down very much, because the magazine is slung under the barel and youd
saw that off too. Might worh with a CMDT or franchi, but not a remington.

Any better answers?
(everyone in our party has one, so we'd really like to know)
Message no. 4
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 12:19:51 BST
9Sf means that the damage modifers is already factored in,
so it's a 9\M pistol with one extra wound level against unarmoured
targets.

Note, it fires shotgun ammo, and shotguns have +2 recoil for the 2nd
round fires. (like the man says> wristbreaker? I knew you could).
For grannies and mages, I think not,


Here's a further hint, don't saw off the top of the tube when you
cut down your shotgun, the ammo will fall out ;-) get an old-style
double barrell and saw that off, you can even pull off short-bursts
(if you really wanted to bother). Any shotguin that takes a clip
could be sawn off, unless it uses gas recoil, in which case you now have a brand-spanking
new SS shotgun ( :-( )


Hi there Doom.

Conc 7 it is, and it wasn't in the errata, the damn thing's been there
from 1st ed, and they still haven't noticed....

conc 7 makes it about light pistol size, rather better than the
origional conc 8, 'it can fit in your palm"....
Message no. 5
From: Paul Finch <pfinch@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:18:30 -0600
On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> Converting a shotgun into a roomsweeper is simple: saw down the barrel
> as far as you can, saw off the stock, and that's it.

Hey Rat didnt the US Spl Forces do this to the M-79 Grenade Launcher?
Yes they did and man was it a blast. Speaking of which anyone know why
or see where the full sized grenade launchers fell out of production? By
full sized I mean 30-40 mm.

I have my own ideas but am waiting to see what everyone else has to say.

Laters Edge

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Message no. 6
From: Paul Finch <pfinch@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:22:23 -0600
On Sat, 10 Jun 1995, Sebastian Wiers wrote:
Rommsweepers are for grannies and mages :)

Why ? Hell I like full auto scatter sticks myself but...

> Actually, this is exactly what gave us trouble. You cant saw a semi auto
> shotgun down very much, because the magazine is slung under the barel and youd
> saw that off too. Might worh with a CMDT or franchi, but not a remington.

Well you could also saw down the ammo tube for any that have the ammo
tube under the barrel. If its inertia or gas operated then you just
rework it to accept double staggered tubes. Gurth had the right idea in
his UBS series stuff...well sortah. And the CMDT is mag fed or at least
the picture belies that it is. So sawing the barrel is not a prob.

Laters Edge

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They are infinitely patient, prefering to minimize risks to themelves and
suffer a thousand defeats if they gain the final victory. Still, they are
diabolically clever, and devious in the extream. If they fail militarily,
they infiltrate and corrupt. Now they are on the march once more, and the
more they are set back, the more determined, devious and dangerous they
become. Curr ahee
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Peterson (Paul Finch) Edge | US Army Ret. 1/506th Inf (Mtr. Lt.)
EMT-Paramedic/BSN Wanna-be and Will-Be! Self Empowered Gun Nut
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:01:02 +0200
>Speaking of which anyone know why
>or see where the full sized grenade launchers fell out of production? By
>full sized I mean 30-40 mm.

I must say I don't quite understand what you mean by that sentence... If I
did I might answer it :)


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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Remington roomsweeper Q
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:01:05 +0200
>Well you could also saw down the ammo tube for any that have the ammo
>tube under the barrel. If its inertia or gas operated then you just
>rework it to accept double staggered tubes. Gurth had the right idea in
>his UBS series stuff...well sortah.

Actually the UBS-7 is double-barreled, each barrel feeding from its own
magazine, not a double tube feeding a single barrel.
However, this _has_ given me an idea for a shotgun with two magazines and a
switch to select which one to use :) Sort of like that dual-magazined MP-40
actually...

>And the CMDT is mag fed or at least
>the picture belies that it is. So sawing the barrel is not a prob.

Yes it is. Look at the picture -- you can't saw more than half a centimeter
(in the picture) off the barrel 'cause then you cut through your gas system.
At least, I assume the tube above the barrel contains the piston for the
CMDT's gas-operated mechanism. The only way to do that is to shorten the
piston as well, and you'd better have a good Firearms B/R skill to do that
(or get lucky with your dice rolls :)
But look at the Ruger 100 (BTW, doesn't that look awfully much like a Steyr
AUG?), and it looks like you can cut down the barrel for at least 2.5 cm
(again, in the picture).


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