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Message no. 1
From: Dale Talbert <LuvsAmanda@***.COM>
Subject: Remote Operation
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:54:08 -0400
Heres another (dumb?) question. Can a bike be remotely operated. Now I know
that bikes are capable of handling rigger controls so I would also assume
that they can be remote piloted...IF they have a side-car attached so that
they don't just fall over when they start to take off. Any suggestions?
Message no. 2
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:38:10 -0400
> Heres another (dumb?) question. Can a bike be remotely operated. Now I
know
> that bikes are capable of handling rigger controls so I would also assume
> that they can be remote piloted...IF they have a side-car attached so
that
> they don't just fall over when they start to take off. Any suggestions?

I always have assumed that for my games, installing rigger controls on a
bike included a decent gyro/counterbalancing system, so you could remote
pilot it.

Also, in RBB they list the AI options for bikes as enabling preprogrammed
courses, so I'd have to assume yes, it can be remote piloted.

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 3
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:00:30 -0700
> From: Dale Talbert <LuvsAmanda@***.COM>
>......IF they have a side-car attached so that
> they don't just fall over when they start to take off. Any suggestions?

Skip the side car..we talked about this a lond time ago...You can add
a gyro..they have them for cars now..they are supposed to keep it
from rolling over..Why this would be a problem I am not
sure..Anyway..a friend of mine in High School had one..it went in his
trunk and was approximately the size of a medium sized
suitcase..Something similar could be used to keep the bike
upright..As a matter of fact..I have seen RC motorcyles on hobby
shops that cater to that sort of thing..So I would think it could be
done on a larger scale...
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Message no. 4
From: Shaun Sides <arch@****.ABTS.NET>
Subject: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:57:27 -0500
Date: 10 May 97 Time: 0:54
Subject: Remote Operation

TO: Dale Talbert

> Heres another (dumb?) question. Can a bike be remotely operated.
> Now I know that bikes are capable of handling rigger controls so I
> would also assume that they can be remote piloted...IF they have a
> side-car attached so that they don't just fall over when they start
> to take off. Any suggestions?

I'd say no, given the fact that most of the steering control for a
bike is in the lean. The non-mechanical steering aparatus also would
seem to me to prohibit such a thing.

Buy a car.

a chaoidh teabadaich,

Shaun Sides
arch@****.net
http://www.abts.net/~arch

Thought for the day:
A penny saved is ridiculous.
Message no. 5
From: Harlequin <harlequin@*********.CA>
Subject: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:14:31 -0400
> I always have assumed that for my games, installing rigger controls on a
> bike included a decent gyro/counterbalancing system, so you could remote
> pilot it.

Hmmm... in SR, we play in 2050s so the vehicles are much much more
evoluated than
the ones we now know... i would say that every motorcycles have already
Gyro-Balance systems included to add handling....

Have you ever seen the Movie AKIRA? the cycle even get a reverse!!!!

Harlequin - The master of chaos
harlequin@*********.ca
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:30:02 +0100
Harlequin said on 9:14/10 May 97...

> Have you ever seen the Movie AKIRA? the cycle even get a reverse!!!!

Many CP2020 bikes look like they've been lifted from Akira... Anyway, some
heavy, luxury motorcycles today have a reverse, for backing them into the
garage. Not that it would be a good idea to lift your feet off the ground
when you're going backward on them, though :)

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Message no. 7
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:40:28 +0200
On Sat, 10 May 1997 00:54:08 -0400, Dale Talbert wrote:

>Heres another (dumb?) question. Can a bike be remotely operated. Now I know
>that bikes are capable of handling rigger controls so I would also assume
>that they can be remote piloted...IF they have a side-car attached so that
>they don't just fall over when they start to take off. Any suggestions?
>
That brings in a house-rule for us: bikes can't be operated by rigger
controls, and thus can't be remote controlled.
Bikes are steered mainly by using the drivers weight, i.e. leaning to
the side you want to go, and this can not be done by a VCR (IMHO, of
course).
But I don't know of any official rule about this.

And, Dale, please qoute the posts you answer to. You'll read about
this, I'm sure. Won't he, Spike? ;)

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Message no. 8
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Remote Operation
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:18:56 -0700
---"Arno R. Lehmann" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 May 1997 17:59:18 -0700 (PDT), Loki wrote:
>
> (and perhaps this was meant to go to the list rather than to me
> directly)
> Feel free to post it to the list, if you think it's worth it and not
> yet outdated. It was your answer, after all.
>
> >---"Arno R. Lehmann" wrote:
> >>
> >> That brings in a house-rule for us: bikes can't be operated by
rigger
> >> controls, and thus can't be remote controlled.
> >> Bikes are steered mainly by using the drivers weight, i.e.
leaning to
> >> the side you want to go, and this can not be done by a VCR (IMHO,
of
> >> course).
> >> But I don't know of any official rule about this.
> >
> >Don't have my books right here, so I can't dig into an official
> >ruling/quote for VCR with a bike. However, I believe the only real
> >limitiation for use of a VCR on a vehicle is needing an autopilot
> >minimum rating of 1. I allow rigger bikes in my game. I don't see
that
> >a VCR is only for "steering" a vehicle, it also allows the Rigger
> >access to the vehicles sensors and other intricate controlls. This
> >would enhance a bikers control in my mind.
>
> After reading some other posts about this topic I think that some
sort
> of gyro would be required, than I'd allow a rigged bike now.
>
> >Also, though I know it's debated on here whether to take novels as
> >canon/rules, Jak Koke's S/R novel Dear Air is about combat bikers
and
> >blatantly has rigger controlled bikes all over the place. I have a
> >feeling he would have clarified this issue with the FASA godhead
> >before he started writing.
>
> Very possible, but then it's still a novel, and my rule would still
be
> a houserule. Well, that houserule now is changed. And I don't know
any
> SR novel, so I can't rely on them...
>
> Arno
>
>

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