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Message no. 1
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:39:10 BST
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Well, you asked for it, the first installment of my gun mods for smmies
who want more toys on their firearms.

BTW, Damion's right about flechette's and impact, his version of it, marries
the SR packet sflechette and the real-life steel dart nicely.

I bow to your knowledge Mr Guru.

Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)
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MISCELANEOUS WEAPON ACCESSORIES
SIGHTING
LIGHT Cost Wgh Mnt Cn Index Str Notes

Flashlight 50Y .25 U/T -1 2/24 Hr .9 HALF: Light/Dark, 2-Ways
+Smart Focus +50Y - - - +2/-- 2 FA to change focus
Infra-red 1800Y .25 Top -2 8/4 Day 1 Passive IR
Optical 4000Y .5 Top -3 4/48 Hr 1 Passive optical filter
Low-Light 1500Y .25 Top -2 3/36 Hr .8
Optical 3000Y .5 Top -3 4/48 Hr 1 Optical Light-amp
Thermographic 1500Y .25 Top -2 3/36 Hr .8 Thermal Imaging
Ultra-Sound 1300Y .25 Top -2 8/4 Day .8 HALF: Light, Dark, Invis
Projector 1000Y .1 Top -1 8/6 Day 1 HALF: Light, Dark, Invis
Display Gogs 1100Y .1 - 6 3/36 Hr 1 OR DLink + DJack Ultra-violet
1800Y .25 Top -2 8/4 Day 1
Optical 4000Y .5 Top -3 4/48 Hr 1
Xenon Projector 1500Y .25 U/T -1 8/7 Day 2 1/2 dark. 1-Way!
+Smart Focus +100Y - - - +2/-- 2 FA to change focus
NB. All Light Accessories Are Legal.


SIGHTS Cost Wgh Mnt Cn Index Str Notes

Laser Sight 500Y .25 U/T -1 6/36Hr .9 50/100m range Day/Night
IR/UV 1000Y .25 U/T -1 6/48Hr 1 AS above.
Ultrasound 1500Y .25 U/T -1 6/48Hr 1 Ultrasound vision reqd
Luminous Inserts 50Y -- - -- 2/24Hr 1 -1 in limited Light
Magnification I 500Y .25 Top -1 3/36Hr .8
II 800Y .25 Top -1 3/36Hr .9
III 1200Y .25 Top -1 3/36Hr 1
Optical +10% .25 Top -1 3/36Hr "
Rangefinder 150Y .1 T/U -1 2/24Hr .8 Active IR/UV Laser
Ultrasound 500Y .1 T/U -1 4/48 Hr 1 Shorter Range
+Grenade Link 750Y .1 8/48Hr 2 +RF:x1/2 Scatter (6-J)
NB. Usable only with official Rangefinder Grenades
NB. All Sights Accessories Are Legal, bar Grenade Link (qv).


SMART Cost Wgh Mnt Cn Rtg Lgl Index Str Notes

Nikkon COT 8000Y 1 Top -2 (3) 2PA 8/4 Day 2 DJack+DLink/Beta Smart
I Adaptor 600Y 1 T/U -2 2/1 4PA 4/48 Hr 1
Variant 200% .5 2/1 +1/Wep
Goggles 3000Y .1 1 3/36 Hr 1 1KY: Th/LL (2KY for both)
II Adaptor 800Y .75 T/U -2 * 4PA 6/48 Hr 2 +RF: -1 Long, -2 Extreme
Variant 250% .25 * 4PA +2/Wep -2 Called,-1 Indirect
Goggles 3500Y .1 0 1 4PA 4/36 Hr 2 1KY: Th/LL (2KY for both)


OTHERS Cost Wg Index Str Notes

Finger-Print Tape 25Y .1 6/36 Hr 2 /10m. Finger-print resistant
Gloves, Smart 100Y -- 4/48 Hr .5 Smart guns work through them
Surgical 25Y -- 3/36 Hr 1 Finger-print resistant
Thick 50Y -- 3/36 Hr .5 Powder-burn resistant
Shooting Muffs 20Y 1 2/12 Hr 1 Hearing Damper +2
Shooting Glasses 20Y .5 2/12 Hr 1 Flare Comp: 2
Shrink Wrapper 500Y 5 4/48 Hr 2 Quick[6], 1Y/item; +1 cnc vs Chem-snifffers
Hermetic Seal 100Y+ .5 6/73 Hr 2 Immune to chem-sniffers


SIG-DAMPING Cost Wg Mnt Cn Lgl Index Str Notes

Flash-Suppressor 250Y .2 Brl -1 Wep 6/48 Hr 1 Inc. with Suppressor/Silencer.
Revolver Silencer 1000Y .4 B+T -3 Wep 4/48 Hr 2 (4 CA) Fit/remove. 4 Cnc. Uses
Telescoping ammo: x2 cost/index
Silencer 500Y .2 Brl -2 Wep 4/48 Hr 2 (1 CA) fit/remove. 6 Cnc
Short Silencer 750Y .1 Brl -1 Wep 6/72 Hr 2 "" Lo-Vel Ammo only. 8 Cnc
Sound-Suppressor 750Y .5 Brl -2 Wep 6/48 Hr 2 (2 CA) fit/remove. /300 rnds.4 Cnc
Short Suppressor 1000Y .3 Brl -1 Wep 6/48 Hr 2 "" Lo-Velocity Ammo only. 6 Cnc

NB. Silencers/Suppressors result in -1 Power. GMD.
Short/revolver variants are 1 point less effective than normal


Special Weapon Types
MATCH-GRADE WEAPONS:
Are shot by target/olympic shooters (or technicians). Once they have been
sighted in, they give +1 dice (as per customisation) to hit.
They tend to only be available from the manufacturer for double the price,
and in calibers at the GM's discretion. Match-Grade Weapons can be customised
as well.
Most Match-Grade shooters tend to Battle-sight Zero their weapons as well.

LONG/SHORT BARREL:
A longer barrel increases bullet spin and ensures that all the propellant
is burnt off (incidentally acting as a flash-suppressor), thus increasing the
range band by one level. Unfortunately the weapon will be harder to fast-draw.
Short barrels do just the opposite, but are no easier to draw, flash
suppressors are recommended as are shooting muffs, as flare and muzzle blast
are increased.


SPECIAL MODS Cost Wgh Cnc Index Notes
Alternate Feed +500Y .25 - 6/72 Hr 1.5 Changes the weapons feed from clip to
belt, etc.
Electric Feed 500Y - - 6/72 Hr 2 +1 TNo Sound. NC: chamber-Recoil/Heavy
Bolt.
Battery-Pak 500Y .25 -1 6/72 Hr 2 Powers Electric Feed, Recharge every 1000
Rounds. Mounts Top/Under (GMD)
Battery Clip 50Y+ .25 - 6/72 Hr 2 Powers Electric Feed, Use Twice, then
recharge.
Selective Feed 1000Y .25 - 6/72 Hr 2 CA to change feed-type; from clip to belt,
etc.
Barrel: Long +50% .2 -1 6/36 Hr 1 +1 Range-Band. +1 TNO F.Draw.
: Short +50% -.2 +1 6/36 Hr 1 -1 Range Band, remove barrel mount.
Barrel, Re-Bore 100Y - - 2/24 Hr 1 Avoid ballistic ID. Can only be repeated a
few times before barrel unusable.

Replacement 100Y+ - - 3/36 Hr 1 To avoid ballistics ID.
Bolt, Heavy 250Y .25 - 6/48 Hr 1 -1 Max Autofire ROF.
X-Heavy 500Y .5 - 6/48 Hr 1 -2 Max Autofire ROF.
Calibre Modifications DM's Discretion. Both up and down.
Sub-Calibre Device DM's Discretion. Fires Smaller Calibre; Custom clips
Sub-Calibre Sabot DM's Discretion. Fires Smaller Calibre in sabots ; Regular
clips and chamber (no bonus to power).
Casing: Ceramic +200% - - +12/x3 3 CANNOT be detected by Metal Detectors,
SS/SA weaons only.
BF Macro-Plast +100% - - +6/x2 2 +2 Cnc v metal detectors. Burst-Fire
weapons maximum.
AF Macro-Plast +75% - - +4/x1.5 2 +1 Cnc v metal detectors. Auto-Fire
weapons maximum.
Composite:Bullet +100% * * +4/x2 +1 +1 Cnc Vs Metal detect, some special
rounds may not be made of composite materials.
Clip 50Y+ .25 * 6/72 Hr 2 +1 Cnc vs metal detectors.
Customisation +100% - - 6/48 Hr 1 +1 Dice, -1 Dice others. 3 Days.
Cycle,High Speed 500Y - - 6/7 Day 2 Burst Recoil := +2/+4. (CA): change
Ultra-High 1000Y - - 8/7 Day 2 Burst Recoil := +1/+4. to slow
AF.
Smart-capable +500Y - - +1/x2 3 SA to change to regular AF ROF.
Finishes NB. Blued, Nickle and Parkerised (Matte
Black) at no cost.
Camouflage +100% - - +1/-- 1 All standard camouflage patterns.
Chrome/Pearl/Gloss +100% - - +1/-- 1
Hypo-Allergenic +100% - - +2/x2Hr 1 Does not cause allergic reaction.
Natural Colours +10% - - +1/-- 1 Basic red, green, black, etc.
Neon-Glow +150% - - +2/x1.5 1 Actually emits light in the dark.
Oil-Resist Coat +200% .1 - 8/7 Days 2 No hand oils, etc.+1 Fast-Draw TNO.
Printless +200% - - +4/x2 1 Totaslly Finger-Print resistant (GMD).
+Cost of other finish. Mostly Illegal

Wood Furniture 2000Y+ - - x2 1 Wooden buttstock, grips, etc.
Fire Rate
Selective ROF 500Y .1 - 4/48 Hr 1 B/R:6 Add another ROF to gun. DMD.
Alternate ROF 400Y 4/48 Hr 1 B/R:4 Change ROF to another. DMD.
Locking Bolt 500Y - - 6/36 Hr 1 Single Shot, +1 T.NO. Perception.
H&K Short-Burst 500Y - - 4/36 Hr 1 Allows BF or AF weapons to have
Short-Bursts (2-round) as a Fire-Rate Option.
Floating Breech 1000Y - - 8/7 Day 2 Caseless only. ROF := 12. -1 Recoil
Burst := +2 per burst that round.
Snap-Down;Normal +100% +6/x2 2 Into Case, 3 CA to fix. As SM-3.
Rugged +200% +12/x3 3 Into Case, 4 CA to fix. NOT SNIPER.
Solenoid Trigger +100% - - 6/72 Hr 1 +1D when Battle-Site zero-d due to
Message no. 2
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:40:40 BST
Hey, did this come through all right?

Or do I have to do it again?

Phil (Runs-With-The-PackI
Message no. 3
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 21:15:19 +1000
P Ward writes:

> Well, you asked for it, the first installment of my gun mods for smmies
> who want more toys on their firearms.

So _who's_ a gun psycho? <grin>

OK, most of that made some sort of sense, but for those of us who are not so
gun knowledgeable, could you include brief descriptions maybe? <says he
hopefully> like, for eg, what's the use of a Smart Flashlight Focus? and
what's an Optical Ultrasound? and a Xenon pPojector? And how does a Revolver
Silencer work? and how do you define Low-Vel ammo? and why would anyone want
a Heavy Bolt? what is a Floating Breech? what's Battle-Site Zeroed? I think
you get the idea. (Note to any prospective gun nuts who might be considering
answering my plea, those are not the only things I could do with an
explanation for, just a few examples.)

Look what you've gotten yourself into now <chuckle>

Oh yeah, it did get through :-)

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:51:53 +0200
>Xenon pPojector?

A high-powered flashlight, if you ask me.

>And how does a Revolver Silencer work?

In the same way as a normal silencer, but it envelops the cylinder instead
of just screwing into the end of the barrel

>and how do you define Low-Vel ammo?

Ammo with a lower muzzle velocity than normal ammo for the weapon.

>and why would anyone want a Heavy Bolt?

To get a lower rate of fire. The heavier bolt is more difficult to move, so
the gun fires at lower rates.


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Message no. 5
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:46:06 BST
I'm not _totally_ a gun-psycho <grin> , I Just have this bad habit of
getting a game, and then taking a chunk of it, reading up on the real-
world equivalent. I think I have this obsessive streak (like trying to
Photocopy and index all the **&* spells from dragon magazine and modules).


Sorry 'bout not including descriptions, I had a Con to go to, and had just
enough to time to pull most of the ^M's that IBM;'s leave on text files off
again.

Smart-Flashlight focus,

Low-V Ammo is ammo with a reduced propellant charge, so that it goes below
the speed of sound, so there's no sonic boom, and the gun doesn;t make
as much noise.

The revolver silencer I pulled from Janes Infantry Weapons '95 (no, I don't
own one, thery're in the library), basicaly they sealed off most of the gun,
and used special telescoping ammo (no, don;t know what it is), which
apparently seals the cylinder in, ensuring that all the gases go out
of the barrel. Then they just fit a standard silencer to the front of it.
Mind you, I believe that they only reduced the sound level from 123 dB to
120 dB, or something like that. I'm not a physicist (thank god), so I'm not
to sure just how efective that is. (fthose igures might not be accurate).

Xenon projector? More Gibson, it produces light like a flashlight, but
for some reason, only someone behind the gun can see it. It's described
as making a 'high-noon circle at 50 yards'. But it only flashes, so if
you use a few charges (?), you get a strobe effect. It acts as a flashlight,
but won;t give your position away.


Floating Breech? I don't know! It's from Virtual light and Gbison implied
it had a much higher rate of fire than a regular gun, so I adopted it.
Anyone know how it works?


Battle-sight 0, is from an old challenge magazine, where they had the same
problem as us with SR weapons ranges, when used ina sniper-type role. One
of the guy's who playtested the article is on the list, but I forget who
exactly he is. when I finish writing and testing the rules, you can have
them as well.

Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)
and I didn't even get to recoil reduction yet <grin>
Message no. 6
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:56:52 BST
Heavy bolt? Like gurth said, it's for lower ROF, so you _can't_ weaste as much
ammo in continued supressive fire.

I use it in a role-playing mode, if any enemy here's you firing short bursts to
keep his head down, he's gonna think about trying to run out between bursts,
or maybe think you're running low on ammo. If he hears continuous, regular,
sustained fire, then he's gonna think twice.


Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)
Message no. 7
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:06:27 +1000
P Ward writes:

> I'm not _totally_ a gun-psycho <grin>

Oh yeah, that's what they all say, you never hear someone admit to being a
raving lunatic when it comes to firearms, and that they think automatic
weapons should be a civil right... (actually, that's what my friend said in a
letter he sent me last week...ooh, better get scared :-)). :-)

> Sorry 'bout not including descriptions, I had a Con to go to

Hope it was a good one.

> [Explanations/descriptions snipped]

<meekly>, er, I was kinda hoping for info on near all the things on the
list... :-)

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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:18:43 +0200
>Oh yeah, that's what they all say, you never hear someone admit to being a
>raving lunatic when it comes to firearms, and that they think automatic
>weapons should be a civil right... (actually, that's what my friend said in a
>letter he sent me last week...ooh, better get scared :-)). :-)

Betcha that guy's an American :) BTW, that law all of them point to to
defend their right to own firearms says (I believe) that people can arm
themselves to form a state militia in order to defend their state, not arm
themselves because they bloody well feel like it...


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Message no. 9
From: Jason Ustica <usticaj@**.ERAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:46:59 -0700
On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Gurth wrote:

> Betcha that guy's an American :) BTW, that law all of them point to to
> defend their right to own firearms says (I believe) that people can arm
> themselves to form a state militia in order to defend their state, not arm
> themselves because they bloody well feel like it...

I know! Those dumbfuck Americans! Who the hell do they think they are?!
That stupid Constitution of theirs! Giving them all those rights and
everything.

>
>
> Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
> Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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> B? e+ u+@ h! f--(?) !r(--)(*) n---->!n y? Unofficial Shadowrun Guru :)
>

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Message no. 10
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 20:11:28 BST
Hey Damion, really. I'm not a gun-nut, I've never owned, fired, or even
touched a real firearm in my life. They scare the shit out of me. I'd
hate to live in a place where guns are as common they are in America.

I just get obsessive when I find a subject that needs more details :-)



Yeah, not a bad con, I pulled second in the **&* tournament, and won
a *&* Basic box-set thing (great, just what I always wanted).

Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)

Gimme a while, I'll go and do a full version of the list, but while I'm here,
here's the recoil section (in the body of the message for ease of use). Only
thing is, it's a bit wide, I like to fit as much stuff on the page as possible.

RECOIL COMPENSATION
VENTING Cost Wgh Rtg Cnc Availability Index Notes
Gas Vents II 450Y .5 2 -1 2/24 Hours .8 Gas Vents Cannot Be Removed.
III 700Y .75 3 -2 2/24 Hours 1 Not Compatible With Silencer
Improved II 550Y .25 2 0 2/24 Hours .9 Or Sound-Suppressor.
Gas Vents III 800Y .5 3 -1 2/24 Hours .9 Flash-Suppressor Compatible.
IV 1000Y .75 4 -2 2/24 Hours 1
Muzzle Brake 100Y .25 1 0 2/24 Hours .5 basic 20th century gas-vents, beware
of back-blast


Cost Wgh Rt Cn Mnt Lgl Index Notes
Chamber-Based 1500Y - 1 - - 6-J 10/7 Dy 2 Smart II necessary. Replace every
100 rounds.
Ares Active Tripod 5000Y 10 8 -3 Und 4-J 10/12Dy 1 Gyro'd tripod

PASSIVE RECOIL Cost Wgh Rtg Cnc Mount Availability Index Notes
Bipod 400Y 2 2 - Under 6/12 Hours 1
Bipod/Foregrip 500Y 2 1/2 - Under 6/24 Hours 1 Combination, SA to change
form
Foregrip 50Y .25 1 - Under 6/24 Hours 1 As per MP-5, etc
Heavy Barrel +500Y +4 1 -1 - 6/24 Hours 1 Assault+. +1 F.Draw
Monopod 300Y 1 1 - Under 4/12 Hours 1
Monopod/FGrip 350Y 1 1 - Under 4/12 Hours 1 Combination, SA to change
form
Reargrip 50Y .25 1 - Under 6/24 Hours 1 For Bullpups+Bipod
Shock Pads 200Y .25 1 - Stock 2/24 Hours 1 Not on Pistols without stocks
(my ruling)
Tripod 600Y 8 6 -2 Under 10/24 Hours 1


STOCKS Cost Wgh Rtg Cnc Availability Index Notes
RIFLE 50Y 1 1 -1 2/24 Hours 1 x2 Price for Detachable versions.
Folding 100Y .5 1 -1 2/24 Hours 1 If folded/Telescoped, Conceability
penalty is 0, not -1.
Telescoping 150Y .5 1 -1 2/24 Hours 1 A separated Detachable stock is 5
Conceal, 7 conceal
Skeletal +50Y -.25 1 3/24 Hours 1 if it is a Telescoping version.
PISTOL 50Y .5 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 x2 Price for Detachable versions.
Folding 100Y .5 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 If folded/Telescoped, Conceability
penalty is -1, not -2.
Telescoping 150Y .5 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 A separated Detachable stock is 6
Conceal, 8 conceal
Skeletal +50Y .25 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 if it is a Telescoping version.

NB. I give stocks as one point of recoil reduction. Why should a folding stock be 1 point
when unfolded, and a
regular stock not?


MILITARY RECOIL Cost Wgh Rt Cn Mnt Lgl Index Notes
Chamber-Based 1500Y - 1 - - 6-J 10/7 Dy 2 Smart II. 100 rounds then replace,
as per Ares Alpha
Ares Active Tripod 5000Y 10 8 -3 Und 4-J 10/12Dy 1 An active Gyro'd Tripod.
Message no. 11
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:17:01 -0400
>>>>> "Gurth" == Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:

Gurth> Betcha that guy's an American :) BTW, that law all of them point to
Gurth> to defend their right to own firearms says (I believe) that people
Gurth> can arm themselves to form a state militia in order to defend their
Gurth> state,

``Being a need for a strong militia, the right to keep and bear arms shal
not be infringed.''

In other words, the militia (people) may need weapons; the government shall
not restrict this because, in fact, the government may be the cause of the
need.

Gurth> not arm themselves because they bloody well feel like it...

Those that do are twisting the wording of the law to suit their own ends.

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Message no. 12
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:44:21 -0400
>>>>> "P" == P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK> writes:

P> Hey Damion, really. I'm not a gun-nut, I've never owned, fired, or even
P> touched a real firearm in my life. They scare the shit out of me. I'd
P> hate to live in a place where guns are as common they are in America.

Strangely enough, there are a lot of Americans who feel this way. Many of
them say they'd feel safer in New York City than Portland, Oregon, because
NYC has gun control laws and almost everyone in Portland owns a firearm of
some sort. Even though the the violent crime rate in Portland is near nil
and NYC is near the top of the list of cities with high crime rates (I
think Washington DC is higher). Even though Portland recently won an award
for being the ``politest city in the US.''

Strangely enough, the nations with the lowest violent crime rates are those
that *don't* have things like tough gun and drug control laws, don't have
restrictions based on age, don't have organizations like ACT campaigning to
``protect our children from violence in the media,'' and generally don't
allow juveniles to get off scott-free when they do commit a crime.

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Message no. 13
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:15:43 -0400
On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> Gurth> not arm themselves because they bloody well feel like it...

> Rat> Those that do are twisting the wording of the law to suit their own
> Rat> ends.

And those that do not are not exercising one of their fundamental
rights as an American citizen. And not exercising a right is one of the
best ways to get it taken away.

Marc (Just think how civil and polite our society would be if everyone
owned and carried a gun. "You called my a mother a what?!?" <blam!
blam! blam!> "That'll teach ya to talk about *my* mom." ;) )
Message no. 14
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:20:36 -0400
On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, P Ward wrote:

> Hey Damion, really. I'm not a gun-nut, I've never owned, fired, or even
> touched a real firearm in my life. They scare the shit out of me.

Probably because you've never owned, fired, or even touched one.
Being from a rural area in Michigan, guns are a fact of life. Everybody
has at least one, mainly for hunting. If you grow up around them,
they're not so scary. You just have more respect for them is all.

> I'd hate to live in a place where guns are as common they are in America.

Like I said, it depends on where you live. Inner cities are a
tad bit diferent from hicksvilles.

Marc
Message no. 15
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:25:36 -0400
On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> Strangely enough, the nations with the lowest violent crime rates are those
> that *don't* have things like tough gun and drug control laws, don't have
> restrictions based on age, don't have organizations like ACT campaigning to
> ``protect our children from violence in the media,'' and generally don't
> allow juveniles to get off scott-free when they do commit a crime.

How true...

Marc
Message no. 16
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 20:53:23 -0400
>>>>> "Marc" == Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
writes:

Marc> And those that do not are not exercising one of their
Marc> fundamental rights as an American citizen. And not exercising a
Marc> right is one of the best ways to get it taken away.

You're not telling *me* anything I didn't know. I'm one of the staunchest
opponents of gun controll legislation that's not a member of the NRA.

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Message no. 17
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:07:31 BST
The Stainless Steel Rat said :-
> Strangely enough, there are a lot of Americans who feel this way. Many of
> them say they'd feel safer in New York City than Portland, Oregon, because
> NYC has gun control laws and almost everyone in Portland owns a firearm of
> some sort. Even though the the violent crime rate in Portland is near nil
> and NYC is near the top of the list of cities with high crime rates (I
> think Washington DC is higher). Even though Portland recently won an award
> for being the ``politest city in the US.''

Funny you should say that Rat, I saw a report on some american city, where
it is compulsory for every home-owner to own a firearm, they haven't had a
murder there in eight years.

OTOH, I'd still rather live in a society with no guns, it's just a bit
unrealisitic these days.


Phil (Renegade and Runs-With-The-Pack)
Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:26:01 +0200
>``Being a need for a strong militia, the right to keep and bear arms shal
>not be infringed.''
>
>In other words, the militia (people) may need weapons; the government shall
>not restrict this because, in fact, the government may be the cause of the
>need.
>
>Gurth> not arm themselves because they bloody well feel like it...
>
>Those that do are twisting the wording of the law to suit their own ends.

That was my point. I don't see anything wrong with building a militia (for a
good reason), but like Phil also said, I wouldn't want to live in a country
where every jackass can buy a gun "because the Constitution (note the upper
case C) allows it." I for one have never fired a gun other than a 4.5mm air
rifle, though I'd like to some time. If I may compare the situation to the
one here, my father used to own a .22LR match rifle, fully licensed and
everything (and here you can't even _get_ a license for a firearm unless
you've been a member of a shooting club for at least a year), but recently
the gun control was moved from the municipal government to the local police
force, and he had to sell the weapon because he didn't fire it enough. In
order to keep your license, you need to fire your weapon at least a number
of times per year (you get a stamp in a little booklet each time, I
believe), and because he didn't, he wasn't allowed to keep the rifle.
Compare that to the American situation where I could walk into a gun store
and come out with a civilian version of a military rifle without anybody
raising any eyebrows...


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Message no. 19
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:26:05 +0200
>Strangely enough, the nations with the lowest violent crime rates are those
>that *don't* have things like tough gun and drug control laws, don't have
>restrictions based on age, don't have organizations like ACT campaigning to
>``protect our children from violence in the media,'' and generally don't
>allow juveniles to get off scott-free when they do commit a crime.

The USA has the highest violent crime rate in the world, doesn't it? And
you're not telling me it has strict gun control laws... I can't say there is
much violent crime here (comparing again...) but we do have very strict gun
control laws; drug control is much more slack, and there is absolutely
nobody wanting to ban anything from tv, I'll give you that...


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Message no. 20
From: David Hinkley <dhinkley@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:14:54 -0700
On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, Gurth wrote:

> >Oh yeah, that's what they all say, you never hear someone admit to being a
> >raving lunatic when it comes to firearms, and that they think automatic
> >weapons should be a civil right... (actually, that's what my friend said in a
> >letter he sent me last week...ooh, better get scared :-)). :-)
>
> Betcha that guy's an American :) BTW, that law all of them point to to
> defend their right to own firearms says (I believe) that people can arm
> themselves to form a state militia in order to defend their state, not arm
> themselves because they bloody well feel like it...
>

That law is the Second Amendment to our Consitution. The second
of the Bill of rights the first being Free Speach and freedom of religon.
It is the subject of much debate here. The definition of militia
c1789 (when the document was writen) was males between 12 and 55 years of
age. It was not a government organziation for that matter it was not even
organizied. At the same time the States had organized military units.
Several court desistions have indicated that the State National Guards
are not militias. Given this there is an argument that it does permit
Residents (legal alien residents included) own a gun or guns just because
they want to. Presently one can own rifles, shotguns and pistols with
minimum trouble (fill out a form and wait 15 days for a pistol and just
fill out the form for rifles) and many Americans do.

Well its time to get back to Shadowrun.

David Hinkley
(dhinkley@***.org)
Message no. 21
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:50:56 BST
Oop's can't do the explanation of all those waepon mods today,
all the DEC's with disk-drives in the lab are busy, keep watching
maybe they'll get here tomorrow!

Phil (Renegade)
Message no. 22
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:48:07 +0200
> > Betcha that guy's an American :) BTW, that law all of them point to to
> > defend their right to own firearms says (I believe) that people can arm
> > themselves to form a state militia in order to defend their state, not arm
> > themselves because they bloody well feel like it...
>
> I know! Those dumbfuck Americans! Who the hell do they think they are?!
> That stupid Constitution of theirs! Giving them all those rights and
> everything.

Wazzup dude ? Did you leave a shell unattended or something ?

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Message no. 23
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:48:50 -0400
>>>>> "Gurth" == Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:

Gurth> The USA has the highest violent crime rate in the world, doesn't it?

Yup.

Gurth> And you're not telling me it has strict gun control laws...

Not for lack of trying :). Gun control laws are mostly implemented at the
state level, though there are some at the federal level (ie, fully
automatic weapons, aka ``assault weapons,'' are prohibited without a
federal license. In other words, they're *already* banned, have been since
around 1920). Some cities even require that every household have some kind
of firearm, properly stored, of course, on the premisis at all times (I'll
betcha that Portland, Oregon, politest city in the country, has such a law).

It's not just gun control laws, though, it's laws that attempt to control
the populace in general that have the opposite effect. When you outlaw
something, it becomes a badge of status in some circles to own or use that
thing; the black market in that thing skyrockets. You'd think that we (the
US as a nation) would have learned something from Prohibition, that banning
a thing cannot be enforced, that banning a thing has the opposite effect,
but...

Go watch the Brady Bunch movie, the new one. You'll laugh, you'll cry, and
then you'll realise that that is *exactly* what ``our leaders'' are
foisting on us as ``family values.''

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Message no. 24
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:05:30 -0400
>>>>> "Gurth" == Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:

Gurth> Compare that to the American situation where I could walk into a gun
Gurth> store and come out with a civilian version of a military rifle
Gurth> without anybody raising any eyebrows...

That's a very common misconception, one that the media likes to keep up.

First, a civilian version of a military weapon is NOT a military weapon. It
CANNOT fire more than one round per squeeze of the trigger. It is NOT an
assault weapon, no matter how much the media likes to say so. It may *look*
more dangerous than a civilian-only weapon, but in almost every case the
military design is *safer* to use and handle than a civvie weapon. Take,
for example, the H&K MP5 with folding stock. Yeah, it looks nasty because
of the short frame and pistol grip. But with the stock attached and
extended, braced against my shoulder, hand on the pistol grip, I have
*total* control over where that weapon is pointed, even with just one hand.
Because of the pistol grip it's uncomfortable to hold against my hip
because it twists my wrist the wrong way, so I'm going to keep it up and
braced or pointed straight down or up, because that's the most comfortable.
And if I am being safe (range rules are in effect at all times) then I'm
not going to accidentally shoot someone. Compare with your average sporting
rifle; it's usually heavy, sometimes uncomfortable to carry and often
annoying to hold for an extended period. In general, I'm going to be lax
about my control over the weapon and carry it down by my hip rather than
braced against my shoulder where it beongs, down by my hip where I can't
control it because *dammit* my arm hurts!

And second, you cannot ``just walk into a gun store and come out'' with
anything you want. To own longarm you must have a license or permit of some
sort in almost every jurisdiction in the country. And you won't get the
license if you've got a criminal record; if you have one it'll likely be
pulled if you're convicted for a crime. To purchase a handgun requires an
even stricter background check. The shop owner isn't going to sell you the
weapon if you don't have the proper identification.

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Message no. 25
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 00:45:43 +0930
Marc A Renouf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, P Ward wrote:
>
> > Hey Damion, really. I'm not a gun-nut, I've never owned, fired, or even
> > touched a real firearm in my life. They scare the shit out of me.
>
> Probably because you've never owned, fired, or even touched one.
> Being from a rural area in Michigan, guns are a fact of life. Everybody
> has at least one, mainly for hunting. If you grow up around them,
> they're not so scary. You just have more respect for them is all.

Guns don't scare me, unless they've been poorly maintained and are liable
to go off. People scare me. Americans scare me more than most. City
Americans, that is... I don't like rural Americans (I don't like farmboys
in general), but that don't scare me.

Lawyers scare me worse.

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Message no. 26
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 01:04:09 +0930
Gurth wrote:
>
> The USA has the highest violent crime rate in the world, doesn't it? And
> you're not telling me it has strict gun control laws... I can't say there is
> much violent crime here (comparing again...) but we do have very strict gun
> control laws; drug control is much more slack, and there is absolutely
> nobody wanting to ban anything from tv, I'll give you that...

As a whole, the US has the highest violent crime rate in the world (though
the more "uncivilised" places probably have higher, it's hard to get stats
on murders in Bosnia and Rwanda these days). What's scary is that about a
third of the US (the rural states with loose gun laws) has about the
lowest...

The fact is is that if you got loose gun laws for everyone, you get low
crime. It's when you've got strict, but unenforceable, gun laws (which is
the case for large chunks of the US), you get violent crime, and lots of
it.

Look at the UK... until recently, police didn't NEED to carry guns on
patrol (is that still the case?). Everyone had strict gun laws. Same in
Australia.

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Message no. 27
From: Dave Woods <spuwdsda@*******.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 17:22:33 +0100
On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Robert Watkins wrote:

> The fact is is that if you got loose gun laws for everyone, you get low
> crime. It's when you've got strict, but unenforceable, gun laws (which is
> the case for large chunks of the US), you get violent crime, and lots of
> it.
>
> Look at the UK... until recently, police didn't NEED to carry guns on
> patrol (is that still the case?). Everyone had strict gun laws. Same in
> Australia.

The UK police are still unarmed. They do however have armed response
units with highly trained officers. Some patrol cars carry firearms
locked away, but only (I think?) when both officers have had firearms
training, and the weapons are only unlocked when responding to a suspect
who is known to be armed. I believe Thames Valley Police are going to
experiment with CS gas aerosols, but civil liberty groups are lobbying
against their use.

The blackmarket availiblity of firearms is low in the UK, and generally
limited to shotguns and pistols. I have never read any reported use of an
fully automatic weapon in the UK (apart from Irish paramilities) although
they are sometimes found. Firearms are becoming more and more common within
the Drug community and this is what concerns most people.

- David
Message no. 28
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:44:58 -0400
On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, Gurth wrote:

Rat> >Strangely enough, the nations with the lowest violent crime rates are
Rat> >those that *don't* have things like tough gun and drug control
Rat> >laws, don't have restrictions based on age, don't have
Rat> >organizations like ACT campaigning to ``protect our children from
Rat> >violence in the media,'' and generally don't allow juveniles to get
Rat> >off scott-free when they do commit a crime.


> The USA has the highest violent crime rate in the world, doesn't it? And
> you're not telling me it has strict gun control laws... I can't say there is
> much violent crime here (comparing again...) but we do have very strict gun
> control laws; drug control is much more slack, and there is absolutely
> nobody wanting to ban anything from tv, I'll give you that...

I hope you realize that other than the fact that the Netherlands
has fairly strict gun control laws, you just supported Rat's original
point very well.

Marc
Message no. 29
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:54:48 -0400
On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, David Hinkley wrote:

> Presently one can own rifles, shotguns and pistols with
> minimum trouble (fill out a form and wait 15 days for a pistol and just
> fill out the form for rifles) and many Americans do.

In some counties, you don't even have to wait the 15 days for the
pistol permit to be approved. I didn't have to wait at all.

Marc
Message no. 30
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:59:42 BST
Hey there guy's, I'm getting paranoid, I Didn;t want to start
a flame-war, just post a few more bits and pieces for sammy to
play around with.

BTW, here's the (short) explanations of most of the gear). Sorry
'bout the ^M's.

RENEGADE'S GUN-MODS Part 2
>>>>>[ OK chummer's, you've had the price list, now time for the
discussion
part. Renegade Industries reserves the right to edit the comments made below.
But you know I won't, unless you descend into advertising, meaningless shop-
talk, and that age-old favourite Colt-Kicks-Ares-Ass flame-war. ]<<<<<
Renegade

{game notes appear in these squiggly brackets}


LIGHTING ACCESSORIES
Flashlight Flashlight on your gun's barrel, switches on/off by a pressure
switch taped to the side of the barrel. Available in IR/UV too.
{halves darkness penalties both ways! The other guy aims at the
source of the light}
+Smart Focus narrow/widen your beam at the speed of though!
Infra-red Allows you to see into the IR band of the spectrum, note that
this is a passive system; there must be an IR light-source for
the system to be effective.
Optical An optical filter version of the above IR system, which means
you can stack it with other systems, and Mages can cast spells
through it. {GMD}
Low-Light A Light-amplification system, providing full-colour images,
as if it were day (nearly).
Optical A bigger, clunkier version of electronic light-amp, which can
be combined with your own eyes, or used by mages to cast. {GMD}
Thermographic An electronic thermal-imaging system that allows you to see
objects by their contrasts in their temperature.
Ultra-violet Allows you to see into the UV band. As with IR above, this
system is passive, and needs a source of UV light to be able
to see.
Optical An optical filter converts UV to visible light, so the system
can be stacked with your own eyes, or Mage-Sight! {GMD}
Xenon Projector Provides a micro-second flash of high-power xenon torch-light
that illuminates a six-foot circle at 50 yards (focus can be
varied). Illuminate your enemy with no chance of him spotting
you. {Halves light penalties one way only!}
+Smart Focus As for a regular flash-light.
>>>>>[ They won't spot you unless you are dumb enough to use it twice in a
row
from the same position ]<<<<< Blades

>>>>>[ Hey, don't tell the newbies, you're spoiling all my fun.
]<<<< Jaeger


NB. All Optical variants of Imaging-systems can be combined with natural or
cyber-modified eyesight for even more effect {I use average of Cyber/Natural
for Cyber+Sight, or half Natural round-down for Sight+Natural eyes}.

Optical variants are heavy and larger than electronic versions, be careful
chummer, that more expensive sight may get your piece spotted and you greased.


>>>>>[ Of all of these, Thermo and Low-light are totally passive. Xenon
projectors and Flashlights are active, and UV and IR have to be if you want to
actually see something. Be warned gato's, they give you away under EMCON
conditions, don't trust your life to them. They may help you see better, but
they can get you killed. ]<<<<< Blades

>>>>>[ Yeah man, but when that high-noon circle from the xenon flash hits
them,
they freeze them like bunnies before a semi. I've lost count of the number of
people I killed like that. ]<<<< Hunter


SIGHTS
Laser Sight A visible light laser-sight, please specifiy blue or red.
IR/UV A laser sight on the UV or IR bands of the spectrum, these
sights require UV/IR cyber-eye mods or goggles/sights
Luminous Inserts Light emitting inserts are placed in the front sight of your
weapon, allowing for quick and easy target acquisition while
in the dark. {-1 TNo in reduced light (not dark), if using NO
other light-enhancement system}
Magnification I Electronic-image intensification provides a closer view of
II your target, c'mon boys, you know how these work.
III
Optical Optical variants, fir the connoisseur, or mages.
Rangefinder A laser-based ranging system, add +10% for IR/UV variants.
Ultrasound An ultrasound based range-finder, reduces the chance of your
enemy discovering your position before you're ready.
+Grenade Link as per Ares timed mini-grenades

SMARTLINKS
>>>>>[ You wouldn't be samurai if you didn't know how these worked kids,
but
for those who don't read our sister publication Solo of fortune, the COT is a
smart system that clips on top of your weapon, like a camera, and then projects
your gun's view-point onto your own. Assuming you have either experimental
grade smart-ware {Beta or better!} or a datajack and display link or Vision SPU
to feed it through. you can even point it round corners and let it do the
looking for you {Smart bonus does not apply when you point the gun somehwere
you yourself cannot see, like behind you}. ]<<<<< Renegade


SIGNATURE-DAMPING
>>>>>[ Most of the noise from a gun comes from the sonic boom of both the
burnt
propellant gasses and the bullet exiting your weapon. Sound-Suppressors and the
ill-named silencers reduce the velocity of your bullet and the gasses that move
it to below the speed of sound, thus reducing the amount of noise your gun
makes. If you want a technical explanation of how they do it, send me 5Y
certified, and I'll mail you personally (no picture requests you skuzzies).
A working Revolver Silencer was made approximately fifty years ago, and
Ares have worked the design into one all-encompassing sleeve that covers the
cylinder of your trusty S&W to ensure that the gasses have nowhere to go but
the barrel. IMO the tech is good, but not as good as a silencer on an
automatic. Yet... ]<<<<< Renegade

Flash-Suppressor Reduces muzzle flash from still-burning powder.
Revolver Silencer Snap on revlover silencer.
Silencer For SA/SS weapons only (not panther's you dummy), if your
weapon is capable of higher ROF's, then buy a suppressor.
Short Silencer Reduced length (and effectiveness) Silencer for better
concealed carry.
Sound-Suppressor For BF/AF weapons, not as effective as a silencer.
Short Suppressor Reduced length (and effectiveness) Supressor for better
concealed carry.

>>>>>[ All the above pieces of gear can be bought off-the-rack for your
make
and model of weapon, though we advise that they are fitted by at least a grade
I (Cal-Free certification) armourer fit them for them to have the best
effect. ]<<<<< Renegade
Message no. 31
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:00:45 BST
And here's the explanation for the Special Mods. Once Again; with the
^M's, and in the body of the message. Ta-dah!

SPECIAL MODS
>>>>>[ All these mods will require your gun to be in the shop for a while,
so
do expect some delay in delivery.... Joking guys. We don't deliver, especially
APDS to the center of the 'Raku mall cos your ass is under fire!
We can sell you guns with these mods already fitted for a 5% saving, or
we can sell you the parts to do the mod for 75%, but there are no money-back
guarantees if we do. Caveat Emptor and all that drek. ]<<<<< Renegade

SPECIAL MODS
Alternate Feed We can _substitute_ the ammo feed of your weapon for a
different one, eg make your assault rifle fire belt-
linked ammo, or vice versa. NB Belt-linked pistol ammo
is often hard to come by, be careful.
Electric Feed Instead of recoil/gas operation, which can be rather
loud, ammo is fed into the chamber and cycled by means
of electric motors. Renegade recommends that you only do
this to burst-capable guns, as full Autofire tends to
prematurely wear the mechanism.
Battery-Pak Your electric feed needs a power source, either in the
form of a long-duration battery on the gun;
Battery Clip or a battery placed in the magazine, usable twice.
Selective Feed In only a few seconds {one complex action},you can alter
the feed type of your weapon from Clip to Belt, or back
again. A littl emre general purpose than Alternate Feed.
Barrel: Long A longer barrel allows for greater spin and ensures that
all your propellant is burnt off, increasing range {by
one band; take them in ordery}.
: Short A shorter barrel increases concealability but causes a
corresponding loss in range m,and sometimes power.
Renegade recommends a flash-suppressor, as unburnt
powder can cause a safety hazzard in close-quarters.
Barrel, Re-Bore Re-boring the barrel of your gun changes it's ballistic
characteristics, so that Forensics can't ID your gun as
the one that fired that bullet in the senator's ear!
Replacement Every few re-bore's you have to completely replace the
barrel to guarentee trouble-free operation.
>>>>[ 'Fraid this one's illegal guy's, at least without notifying the proper
authorities of the change. Wonder if I'm in trouble? ]<<<<< Renegade

Bolt, Heavy A heavy bolt reduces the cycle time of the weapon and
X-Heavy reduces it's maximum ROF. Shoot straight, conserve ammo,
et-fraggin'-cetera.
Calibre Modifications You too can fire SMG ammo from a Heavy pistol! There
are _some_ tactical applications for this, honest.
Sub-Calibre Device Replaces the action and the barrel, this mod is slow to
reverse, but you can just fit the clips of the weapon of
your choice straight into your own gun.
Sub-Calibre Sabot Smaller bullets are fitted with plastic sabots, so you
fire them from your gun with no modification to it.
An added bonus is that the bullet does not engage the
rifling, so no ballistic evidence.
>>>>>[ At least on the round itself, remember to use disentegrating sabots,
or
you're in the drek ]<<<<< Jaeger

Casing: Ceramic For Semi-automatic or single-action weapons only.
Ceramic guns cannot be detected by MAD Scanners,
although X-rays pick 'em up just fine.
BF Macro-Plast A Macro-plast weapon is less likely to be detected and
AF Macro-Plast ID'd as a firearm by MAD Scanners. However it is less
durable than a normal gun, hence the ROF Limit on the
amount of plastic in your firearm.
Composite:Bullet Macro-plastic bullets and clips are less likely to be
Clip picked up by MAD scanners, although some ammo types
cannot be made from these substances {GMD}
Customisation It's in Fields Of Fire Guys.
Cycle,High Speed High cycle-rate weapons such as the Ruger Thunderbolt
Ultra-High or the original G11 increase your weapon's accuracy
for Burst-fire, by ensuring that all three rounds have
left the gun before you feel the recoil.
Unfortunately, it takes a little time to change ROF to
AF as some internal 're-arrangement' must take place.
{Complex action}
Smart-capable Reduces the amount of time to change from BF to AF.
{Simple action, not complex}
Finishes The colour/texture of your weapon.
Camouflage For the military-wannabe in your life
>>>>>[ I resemble that comment, I was in the military ]<<<<<
Blades

>>>>>[ Yeah, for all of four (out of six) week of boot-camp lover. Not that
I'd
hold it against you (well, only if you asked <grin> ). ]<<<<<
Renegade

Chrome/Pearl/Gloss For the 'Untouchable' type.
Hypo-Allergenic For our pointy-eared brethren. Oops, sorry Ghoul.
Natural Colours In this season's earth-tones <barf>.
Neon-Glow Actually emits light in the dark.
Oil-Resist Coat This Teflon coating reduces the chances of the police
begin able to pull _your_ fingerprints from the weapon.
Printless Totally Finger-Print resistant {GMD}, and available in
all the normal finishes as well!
Wood Furniture Wooden buttstock, grips, etc, for the old-fashioned.
Fire Rate Also known as trigger group.
Selective ROF Adds another Fire rate to your weapon; SA, BF, AF.
{The possibilities are GM's discretion, use your common
sense guys, don't let them have AF pistols without some
disadvantages as well; I use reliability and 2x recoil}
Alternate ROF Substitutes one ROF for another.
Locking Bolt Stops the bolt from cycling after each shot, effectively
changing the weapons from SA to SS when engaged. This
makes you harder to hear, as the bolt doesn't clack
after each round.
H&K Short-Burst Allows a weapon to fire two, two-round bursts.
{Use the short-burst rules, H&K offer this option now,
As it's more accurate than a 3-rounds burst, where the
third goes wild. Unfortunately, it's not too good under
the present rules. Perhaps you could consider allowing
it to count as +1 TNo harder to hear than BF?}
Snap-Down;Normal Snap-fix weapons, as per Ranger-Arms. They are less
Rugged rugged than normal weapons, but they are easy to move
about and quicker to break-down/re-assemble. Normal
grade snap-fix suffers the same accuracy problems as
Ranger-Arms SM-3 if used in 'close' combat.

Solenoid Trigger In extreme range shooting, even the momentum of pulling
trigger can pull your gun off balance, replace the
trigger with a button.
{I allow +1D (as per customisation) when using such a
weapon in a sniping mode.}

{All the recoil reduces are self-explanatory right?}
Message no. 32
From: David Hinkley <dhinkley@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:00:22 -0700
On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> >>>>> "Gurth" == Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>
> Gurth> The USA has the highest violent crime rate in the world, doesn't it?
>
> Yup.
>
> Gurth> And you're not telling me it has strict gun control laws...
>
> (I'll
> betcha that Portland, Oregon, politest city in the country, has such a law).


No it does not. A bill was introduced two years ago in the state
legislature to that effect but it was defeated. As matter of fact
Portland seems to begoing the other way. Makes for intersesting state
politics. The Portland metropolitain area (it covers three counties and
has close to half the states population) vs the rest of the state (most
of which is rural farming,ranching and forestry). Two completely
different points of view. Recently the legislature was attempting to pass
a law prohibiting guns in and round schools the legistlators from
Portland were surprised to get risistance from those from eastern Oregon.
When they finely asked why, they were in formed by those from Eastern
Oregon that guns on school grounds were not a problem and that students
had been bring them to school for years....but only during Deer Season
seems that it is common for the older students to get in a bit of hunting
before and after school and to leave the rifle in the rack in the back of
thier truck.

And no I do not live in Portland (its much to wet) I live in
Eugene about 150 miles south.

David Hinkley
(dhinkley@***.org)

While Shadow Run is Fun....so is inteligent dialog
Message no. 33
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:02:03 BST
Awww, c'mon guys' change the header for the ARgument, I
feel guilty now.

Phil (Renegade)
Message no. 34
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:29:22 +0200
> I hope you realize that other than the fact that the Netherlands
>has fairly strict gun control laws, you just supported Rat's original
>point very well.

I know. I'm not opposed to Rat's POV, but you must agree that just about
everything he mentioned is different in NL: tight gun control, slack drug
control, no bans on tv, while in the States it's wannabe-tight gun control,
very tight drug control, and bans on tv...


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Message no. 35
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:47:12 -0700
On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, P Ward wrote:

> Optical An optical filter version of the above IR system, which means
> you can stack it with other systems, and Mages can cast spells
> through it. {GMD}

This is impossible, because glass is opaque to infra-red. As are
most plastics. In general, materials are transparent only within a
narrow range of wavelengths; the germanium-silicon lens of the IR imager
I used was opaque to normal light.

> Low-Light A Light-amplification system, providing full-colour images,
> as if it were day (nearly).

Also impossible. To crank up brightness, one looks primarily at
the yellow-green portion of the spectrum, sacrificing the other colors.

> Optical A bigger, clunkier version of electronic light-amp, which can
> be combined with your own eyes, or used by mages to cast. {GMD}

Not too efficient. This is basically a telescope, and its light
gathering power is solely dependent upon the aperture of the system. If
you want to magnify light even 1,000 times (contemporary systems magnify
by a factor of 25,000), you need 30 times the diameter of the human eye.
Try sticking that on your smartgun.

> Ultra-violet Allows you to see into the UV band. As with IR above, this
> system is passive, and needs a source of UV light to be able
> to see.

Very useful for tracking. Kestrels (hi, Eve!) use UV to find
fresh vole spoor, which unerringly guides them to the local concentration
of voles even after a 3,000 mile migratory flight. Kestrels get hungry
after all that flying....

> Optical An optical filter converts UV to visible light, so the system
> can be stacked with your own eyes, or Mage-Sight! {GMD}

Not possible without using electronics, or a ramped-density
collisionless plasma field (courtesy of Dr. John Dawson of UCLA).
Actually, the second technique converts IR to UV....

> Xenon Projector Provides a micro-second flash of high-power xenon torch-light
> that illuminates a six-foot circle at 50 yards (focus can be

Which the simplest flash-ranging device will immediately
backtrack and paint for easy destruction. Good if your enemy doesn't use
flash-ranging, though.

> projectors and Flashlights are active, and UV and IR have to be if you want to

UV works nicely during daytime and IR works fine using ambient
target heat.

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acgetche@****.engr.ucdavis.edu vulnerability in the opponent."
http://instruction.ucdavis.edu/html/getchell.html
Message no. 36
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:49:05 -0700
Second batch of mods are very nice. Just the sort of color a
gun-toting merc or samurai needs ;-)

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acgetche@****.engr.ucdavis.edu vulnerability in the opponent."
http://instruction.ucdavis.edu/html/getchell.html
Message no. 37
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:05:30 +0930
Adam Getchell wrote:
>
> UV works nicely during daytime and IR works fine using ambient
> target heat.
>

How well does UV work at nice? I mean, the most famous system for UV (yep,
**&*) has UV working best at night, and in darkness, which always struck me
as kinda wierd (after all, if the normal light can't get to you, why should
UV? Anyone ever got a suntan by moonlight?)

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
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are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
Finger me for my geek code
Message no. 38
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:53:18 BST
Adam Gretchell wrote :-
<lots a stuff, but mostly kicked holes in all my fave gun mods, good for him>

Oh well, at least I am now qualified to be a FASA gun desginer; I have
proved that I know not a jot about guns! <grin>.

Phil
Message no. 39
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:26:38 BST
Adam noted :-
> > Low-Light A Light-amplification system, providing full-colour images,
> > as if it were day (nearly).
>
> Also impossible. To crank up brightness, one looks primarily at
> the yellow-green portion of the spectrum, sacrificing the other colors.

Really? I thought all that grainy-green footage on CNN Was actually IR,
as opposed to light-intensification. Ta, I stand corrected (Again)

OK, if you have an optical low-light system roughloy how large would
a military version be? something the size of the laser (?) painting
device in Clear and Present Danger? (Assuming you've seen it).


<UV-Vole-Kestrel STUFF>

What does vole spoor glow in the dark to UV sight? ;-)

Fill me in on flash-ranging, I hand;t heard of it. BTW are we talking
a ranger on the order of a tank ranging device? or are they regularly
deployed in infantry units too?
Message no. 40
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:12:14 GMT
In message <9504140926.AA22557@********.cm.cf.ac.uk> SHADOWRN@*****.nic.surfnet.nl
writes:

> > Also impossible. To crank up brightness, one looks primarily at
> > the yellow-green portion of the spectrum, sacrificing the other colors.
>
> Really? I thought all that grainy-green footage on CNN Was actually IR,
> as opposed to light-intensification. Ta, I stand corrected (Again)

Not necessarily. To crank up brightness you grab as much spectrum as you
can, which is why night-vision goggles (image intensifiers) are sensitive
in the near IR as well as to visible light. But the cascade tube phosphoresces
in one colour, which is green, because that - among other things - is what
your eye is most sensitive to. The grainy footage on CNN was image intensified.

I think you *could* get colour in a image-intensifier in sixty years, but
it would be too bulky to mount on a weapon, let alone inside your eye. It
would be wanted by the news crews :-)

> OK, if you have an optical low-light system roughloy how large would
> a military version be? something the size of the laser (?) painting
> device in Clear and Present Danger? (Assuming you've seen it).

I'd guess about the size of a TV camera - a studio one - if it was 'optical'
enough for a mage to cast through. So you couldn't carry it or use it...but
a security mage could have one. ;-) So could a PC who got to that guard
tower...

> Fill me in on flash-ranging, I hand;t heard of it. BTW are we talking
> a ranger on the order of a tank ranging device? or are they regularly
> deployed in infantry units too?

Never once heard of them while I was in the army... which doesn't mean that
they don't exist, just that they aren't used in the British Army. Two very
different things.

--
When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better or
for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 41
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:38:39 -0700
On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Robert Watkins wrote:

> How well does UV work at nice? I mean, the most famous system for UV (yep,
> **&*) has UV working best at night, and in darkness, which always struck me

It doesn't. Longer wavelengths scatter better in the atmosphere,
but short ones don't. This phenomena (in our atmosphere) is Mee
scattering, and is the reason why the sky is blue -- the reddish part of
the spectrum is scattered out of direct line of sight, leaving the blue.
This is also why sunrises and sunsets are red -- we are seeing the light
scattered off of the direct line to the sun (which would be tangent to us).
Then again, AD&D proclaimed that UV can spot magic. Ah, well.

> Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au

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Message no. 42
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 18:57:20 -0700
On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, Paul Jonathan Adam wrote:

> Not necessarily. To crank up brightness you grab as much spectrum as you
> can, which is why night-vision goggles (image intensifiers) are sensitive
> in the near IR as well as to visible light. But the cascade tube phosphoresces

IR sensitivity is separate from intensifying the ambient light,
though the two technologies can be combined. And, actually, the color we
see the best is yellow, not green (green is second). Naturally, this is
because the sun's luminescence curve puts out more yellow light.
Green is a good color to discern contrasts, which is why it was
used for the first computer terminals (and are now used for military
night-vision). This is why the tube is coated with a green
phosphorescent coating; not the other way around. Green was designed in,
not a result of the design.
Full color image intensification remains unlikely due to the low
light levels and different behavior of various colors. The index of
refraction for blue et. al. is different enough as to be relatively useless.

> I'd guess about the size of a TV camera - a studio one - if it was 'optical'

An effective optical image intensifier would have a lens at least
30 cm in diameter, which would give a rough intensification factor of
3600. You couldn't use fiber optic arrays or synthetic apertures because
that would require signal processing and ruin the effectiveness for a mage.

Flash ranging units are usually Counterintelligence, or also in
Artillery as Counterbattery. Two tripod units similiar to the optical
intensifier above and a computer will run it now.
My guess is in 60 years you could make a nice synthetic aperture
system on a single unit, or perhaps integrated in infantry combat armor.
Computation wouldn't be a problem at all.

> Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk

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Message no. 43
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mods
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 21:38:32 +1000
Well, after reading Renegades Gun Mods, and the ensueing clarifications and
modifications, I'd say that you did a pretty good job Phil. Only a couple of
things needed to be removed/altered. I have a few questions for you (or
anyone else) though.

> NB. All Optical variants of Imaging-systems can be combined with natural or
> cyber-modified eyesight for even more effect {I use average of Cyber/Natural
> for Cyber+Sight, or half Natural round-down for Sight+Natural eyes}.

Could you perhaps explain your rule here? Give a bit of reasoning and further
clarification maybe?

> {All the recoil reduces are self-explanatory right?}

Pretty much. A thing or two though...

> STOCKS Cost Wgh Rtg Cnc Availability Index Notes
> RIFLE 50Y 1 1 -1 2/24 Hours 1 x2 Price for
Detachable versions.
> Folding 100Y .5 1 -1 2/24 Hours 1 If folded/Telescoped,
Conceability penalty is 0, not -1.
> Telescoping 150Y .5 1 -1 2/24 Hours 1 A separated Detachable
stock is 5 Conceal, 7 conceal
> Skeletal +50Y -.25 1 3/24 Hours 1 if it is a Telescoping
version.
> PISTOL 50Y .5 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 x2 Price for
Detachable versions.
> Folding 100Y .5 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 If folded/Telescoped,
Conceability penalty is -1, not -2.
> Telescoping 150Y .5 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 A separated Detachable
stock is 6 Conceal, 8 conceal
> Skeletal +50Y .25 1 -2 2/24 Hours 1 if it is a Telescoping
version.

Why would you say it is not possible to have a Skeletal Folding stock?
Actually, could one not get the normal stock as Skeletal also? And is there
meant to be a "-" in front of the weight for the pistol Skeletal stock?

> NB. I give stocks as one point of recoil reduction. Why should a folding
> stock be 1 point when unfolded, and a regular stock not?

Yeah, I agree. I also give stocks a recoil rating of one. Providing you
actually brace the thing of course.

> Chamber-Based 1500Y - 1 - - 6-J 10/7 Dy 2 Smart II. 100 rounds
then replace, as per Ares Alpha

Is this a modification which can be carried out after you buy your bang
bang? Or is it something the gun has to be made with (as the Alpha is). Hang
on, this only gives a rating of 1, the Alpha has a rating of 2. Intentional?
I guess it must be a modification thing, and that one can only get a rating
one modification done to a weapon (the rating 2 is only for weapons designed
this way). Correct?

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Message no. 44
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mod's
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 15:27:21 GMT
> > Not necessarily. To crank up brightness you grab as much spectrum as you
> > can, which is why night-vision goggles (image intensifiers) are sensitive
> > in the near IR as well as to visible light.
>
> IR sensitivity is separate from intensifying the ambient light,
> though the two technologies can be combined. And, actually, the color we
> see the best is yellow, not green (green is second). Naturally, this is
> because the sun's luminescence curve puts out more yellow light.

Generation II and III image intensifier tubes pick up the visible spectrum
and also some of the near IR: no seperate band, just the "past red and
not visible". That's one of the reasons aircraft and helicopters being
flown by pilots in NVGs need the cockpit displays modified: conventional
lighting put out too much IR and flared the goggles, so you couldn't
read your instruments. It's also why the NVGs I used had a IR illuminator
which clipped to the front, as a sort of flashlight invisible to the naked
eye (sadly not to any of the enemy who had NVGs as well, though).

> Green is a good color to discern contrasts, which is why it was
> used for the first computer terminals (and are now used for military
> night-vision). This is why the tube is coated with a green
> phosphorescent coating; not the other way around. Green was designed in,
> not a result of the design.

Oops. Should have remembered you can choose your phosphorescense colour...

> Full color image intensification remains unlikely due to the low
> light levels and different behavior of various colors. The index of
> refraction for blue et. al. is different enough as to be relatively useless.

C'mon, you could rule out three-quarters of the rule book like that! :-)

> > I'd guess about the size of a TV camera - a studio one - if it was 'optical'
>
> An effective optical image intensifier would have a lens at least
> 30 cm in diameter, which would give a rough intensification factor of
> 3600. You couldn't use fiber optic arrays or synthetic apertures because
> that would require signal processing and ruin the effectiveness for a mage.

As I said - a box about three feet high and wide, four or five long, weighing
at least half a ton, so the magician doesn't try to strap it to his
face and walk around with it :-)

--
When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better or
for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 45
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Renegade's Gun Mods
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 07:59:29 BST
Damion asked :-
> Why would you say it is not possible to have a Skeletal Folding stock?
> Actually, could one not get the normal stock as Skeletal also? And is there
> meant to be a "-" in front of the weight for the pistol Skeletal stock?

i) Did I say that, of course it is; Uzi's have them and ceska Vz what-ever it is
(the modern day Black Skorpion), I must have mis-typeded.
ii) Yep, skeletal is supposed to be a modification of any of the other three
types of stock, I guess I didn;t make it too clear did I?
iii) Same difference;- .5 -2,5 = .25 :-)

Braced stocks yeah, of course, no using your rifle one-handed and still
expecting to get the modifier for the stock.

The Chamber-based recoil-thing
i) I have no idea how it works, neither I suspect has FASA (not known for their
gun-nuts, unlike us).
ii) I dropped it a level because it's an after-production modification, not
something built into the design specs.

Yes, it is supposed to be somethig you can do afterwards; almost all of them
are (or did I already say that?).

Phil (Renegade with fending-off-a-flood-of-orders)

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